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(01-14-2019 02:55 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:39 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:35 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Oklahoma and Texas are going to be gone in a few years. Kansas likely too. UC might be lumped into a conference that includes are current mates and whatever is left of the Big XII.

Where are all three of them going to go? I can see Oklahoma to the Big 10 maybe. Who is going to take Texas? They seem like a bad fit everywhere. They want to call all the shots and would the Big 10 really bow down to them? Do they go independent? And Kansas? Who in the world would want them?

Oklahoma and Kansas to the Big Ten. Texas Indy/ACC/ESPN. A couple others might find homes in the SEC or PAC-12.

I don't see much of any of that happening. The Pac 12 is in no position to expand. They have a couple schools actually acting like they want to leave. The SEC has no need for any of those leftovers. There is a lot of talk they are already regretting the Missouri add because they are such a bad fit with the rest of the league. No clue why the Big 10 would have any interest in Kansas in light of them having some regrets about adding Rutgers, Maryland and even to some extent Nebraska. Kansas has a historically horrible football program and bring nothing in terms of markets. Who knows what the ACC will do. They may jump at Texas but they'll have to give them all the power in the world if it happens and that could unsettle many of the other members. I could see the SEC scoop some of those schools up if they become unhappy (NC State, VA Tech).

(01-14-2019 02:55 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:39 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:35 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Oklahoma and Texas are going to be gone in a few years. Kansas likely too. UC might be lumped into a conference that includes are current mates and whatever is left of the Big XII.

Where are all three of them going to go? I can see Oklahoma to the Big 10 maybe. Who is going to take Texas? They seem like a bad fit everywhere. They want to call all the shots and would the Big 10 really bow down to them? Do they go independent? And Kansas? Who in the world would want them?

Oklahoma and Kansas to the Big Ten. Texas Indy/ACC/ESPN. A couple others might find homes in the SEC or PAC-12.

I just don't see the B10 adding Kansas. The conference takes enough hits as it is for the addition of Rutgers and Maryland football, not to mention other legacy creampuffs like Purdue, Indiana, Illinois Minnesota, etc.. They aren't adding the worst P5 football program and arguably one of the worst FBS programs in the country. Kansas doesn't have the media market to justify it and their academics aren't that great (yes they are AAU, but academically they are ranked in the bottom of the AAU).

(01-14-2019 03:03 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:55 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:39 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:35 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Oklahoma and Texas are going to be gone in a few years. Kansas likely too. UC might be lumped into a conference that includes are current mates and whatever is left of the Big XII.

Where are all three of them going to go? I can see Oklahoma to the Big 10 maybe. Who is going to take Texas? They seem like a bad fit everywhere. They want to call all the shots and would the Big 10 really bow down to them? Do they go independent? And Kansas? Who in the world would want them?

Oklahoma and Kansas to the Big Ten. Texas Indy/ACC/ESPN. A couple others might find homes in the SEC or PAC-12.

I don't see much of any of that happening. The Pac 12 is in no position to expand. They have a couple schools actually acting like they want to leave. The SEC has no need for any of those leftovers. There is a lot of talk they are already regretting the Missouri add because they are such a bad fit with the rest of the league. No clue why the Big 10 would have any interest in Kansas in light of them having some regrets about adding Rutgers and Nebraska. They have a historically horrible football program and bring nothing in terms of markets.

PAC 12 is as snooty as it comes-- only school they would associate in the Big 12 is Texas and Oklahoma (only if it meant they got Texas). Culturally Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and KState would not be a fit, and TCU and Baylor would never gain admittance due to their religious mission. WVU and Iowa State too far away.

(01-14-2019 03:07 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 03:03 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:55 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:39 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:35 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Oklahoma and Texas are going to be gone in a few years. Kansas likely too. UC might be lumped into a conference that includes are current mates and whatever is left of the Big XII.

Where are all three of them going to go? I can see Oklahoma to the Big 10 maybe. Who is going to take Texas? They seem like a bad fit everywhere. They want to call all the shots and would the Big 10 really bow down to them? Do they go independent? And Kansas? Who in the world would want them?

Oklahoma and Kansas to the Big Ten. Texas Indy/ACC/ESPN. A couple others might find homes in the SEC or PAC-12.

I don't see much of any of that happening. The Pac 12 is in no position to expand. They have a couple schools actually acting like they want to leave. The SEC has no need for any of those leftovers. There is a lot of talk they are already regretting the Missouri add because they are such a bad fit with the rest of the league. No clue why the Big 10 would have any interest in Kansas in light of them having some regrets about adding Rutgers and Nebraska. They have a historically horrible football program and bring nothing in terms of markets.

PAC 12 is as snooty as it comes-- only school they would associate in the Big 12 is Texas and Oklahoma (only if it meant they got Texas). Culturally Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and KState would not be a fit, and TCU and Baylor would never gain admittance due to their religious mission. WVU and Iowa State too far away.

This. The Pac 12 is not expanding. None of those schools push the needle outside of the 2 you mentioned.

(01-14-2019 03:03 PM)Marcus Wrote:  No clue why the Big 10 would have any interest in Kansas in light of them having some regrets about adding Rutgers and Nebraska. They have a historically horrible football program and bring nothing in terms of markets.

Completely agree. Never understood why when these discussion popped up why people think Kansas gets an upgrade. Arguably the biggest joke in P5 football and in the middle of nowhere. On top of the B10 commissioners comments regarding Rutgers they essentially shut the door on Kansas.

(01-14-2019 03:21 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 03:03 PM)Marcus Wrote:  No clue why the Big 10 would have any interest in Kansas in light of them having some regrets about adding Rutgers and Nebraska. They have a historically horrible football program and bring nothing in terms of markets.

Completely agree. Never understood why when these discussion popped up why people think Kansas gets an upgrade. Arguably the biggest joke in P5 football and in the middle of nowhere. On top of the B10 commissioners comments regarding Rutgers they essentially shut the door on Kansas.

Yeah I can't see any way the B10 would want Kansas. Talk about watering down your product in more ways than one.

(01-14-2019 03:27 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 03:21 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 03:03 PM)Marcus Wrote:  No clue why the Big 10 would have any interest in Kansas in light of them having some regrets about adding Rutgers and Nebraska. They have a historically horrible football program and bring nothing in terms of markets.

Completely agree. Never understood why when these discussion popped up why people think Kansas gets an upgrade. Arguably the biggest joke in P5 football and in the middle of nowhere. On top of the B10 commissioners comments regarding Rutgers they essentially shut the door on Kansas.

Yeah I can't see any way the B10 would want Kansas. Talk about watering down your product in more ways than one.

They are basketball blue bloods. Provides regional rival for Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Iowa. Allows league to enter Kansas City market. Also AAU.
They are almost a slam dunk add for the B1G or SEC if paired with Oklahoma.

I feel so bad for the Big 12. It must feel terrible to get rejected. But at the end of the day, their CCG just doesn't move the needle.

A conference with smarter leaders would've recognized the potential of schools like UCF, UC, USF, and Houston and capitalized on it a few years back. They had a convienant excuse if things went south (needed a conf championship game) and then suddenly you find yourself with TV footprints in Orlando, Cincinnati, Tampa, and Houston, or some combination thereof. Surprise surprise those same teams have invested heavily in atheltics for the past decade and would almost certainly be respectable enough to justify the move.

A smarter conference would've seen this. Perhaps our previous administration didn't sell it enough either. Whatever the case, I just wonder if there were any Big12 bigwigs watching us play on gameday against UCF, wondering how easy it all could've been...

(01-14-2019 05:10 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  A conference with smarter leaders would've recognized the potential of schools like UCF, UC, USF, and Houston and capitalized on it a few years back. They had a convienant excuse if things went south (needed a conf championship game) and then suddenly you find yourself with TV footprints in Orlando, Cincinnati, Tampa, and Houston, or some combination thereof. Surprise surprise those same teams have invested heavily in atheltics for the past decade and would almost certainly be respectable enough to justify the move.

A smarter conference would've seen this. Perhaps our previous administration didn't sell it enough either. Whatever the case, I just wonder if there were any Big12 bigwigs watching us play on gameday against UCF, wondering how easy it all could've been...

Yep. That would have given the big 12 schools in the following media markets: Houston (7), Tampa (11), Orlando (18) and Cincy (35) with the caveat that Cincy is going to be bumped into the mid-teens if the Cincy Dayton merger goes through.

(01-14-2019 04:50 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  I feel so bad for the Big 12. It must feel terrible to get rejected. But at the end of the day, their CCG just doesn't move the needle.

Keep in mind that the Big 12 never really wanted to have a CCG. As they were one of, if not the last conference to add one. They ultimately caved to the pressure that they needed to add one to increase their chances of putting a team in the CFP. Thus the reason for them asking for the waiver to have one with their existing 10 teams instead of expanding to 12. Any extra money the conference might make by fielding a title game was secondary.

(01-14-2019 02:39 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:35 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Oklahoma and Texas are going to be gone in a few years. Kansas likely too. UC might be lumped into a conference that includes are current mates and whatever is left of the Big XII.

Where are all three of them going to go? I can see Oklahoma to the Big 10 maybe. Who is going to take Texas? They seem like a bad fit everywhere. They want to call all the shots and would the Big 10 really bow down to them? Do they go independent? And Kansas? Who in the world would want them?

B1G won't risk the cancer if Texas because they don't need to. The SEC might only because they worship football above all else. Honestly, I see UT ending up in the PAC out of desperation by that conference. At the end of the day, I just don't see the academic side in the B1G taking oklahoma on. They end up in the SEC. Kansas will follow UT or OU. B1G plays the waiting game like Mr. Plow until the ACC gor expires and then goes after UVA and UNC.

(01-14-2019 06:26 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:39 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 02:35 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Oklahoma and Texas are going to be gone in a few years. Kansas likely too. UC might be lumped into a conference that includes are current mates and whatever is left of the Big XII.

Where are all three of them going to go? I can see Oklahoma to the Big 10 maybe. Who is going to take Texas? They seem like a bad fit everywhere. They want to call all the shots and would the Big 10 really bow down to them? Do they go independent? And Kansas? Who in the world would want them?

B1G won't risk the cancer if Texas because they don't need to. The SEC might only because they worship football above all else. Honestly, I see UT ending up in the PAC out of desperation by that conference. At the end of the day, I just don't see the academic side in the B1G taking oklahoma on. They end up in the SEC. Kansas will follow UT or OU. B1G plays the waiting game like Mr. Plow until the ACC gor expires and then goes after UVA and UNC.

The SEC will never add Texas. They made a deal with A&M when they were added that adding Texas would never happen.

Some of that does seem likely though. I could see the B10 waiting for the ACC GOR to expire and then add UNC and UVA. I’d say that is way more likely than adding a Kansas.

ACC GOR expires in 2036. That is a long wait.

(01-14-2019 03:52 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 03:27 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 03:21 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 03:03 PM)Marcus Wrote:  No clue why the Big 10 would have any interest in Kansas in light of them having some regrets about adding Rutgers and Nebraska. They have a historically horrible football program and bring nothing in terms of markets.

Completely agree. Never understood why when these discussion popped up why people think Kansas gets an upgrade. Arguably the biggest joke in P5 football and in the middle of nowhere. On top of the B10 commissioners comments regarding Rutgers they essentially shut the door on Kansas.

Yeah I can't see any way the B10 would want Kansas. Talk about watering down your product in more ways than one.

They are basketball blue bloods. Provides regional rival for Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Iowa. Allows league to enter Kansas City market. Also AAU.
They are almost a slam dunk add for the B1G or SEC if paired with Oklahoma.

I don’t see how being a basketball blue blood means much of anything in conference expansion. UCONN would have been swooped up immediately several years ago by someone if that was the case.

(01-14-2019 06:44 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ACC GOR expires in 2036. That is a long wait.

Didn’t realize it was that long.