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RE: Sunday (1/13) AAC Basketball Games
(01-13-2019 06:29 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:17 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  Have fun kicking us while we're down, we get Gardner any help and we're going to be in the upper half of the league next year imo.


I think upper half is little much.


It took Houston even a coupled years to learn to consistently win.

First you get the talent to win, then you learn the effort it takes to win, then finally you learn the kind of execution it takes to win in conference and after that, then you win.

Without looking at rosters next year, if ECU finished 8th last year, I’d consider that progress and success.


Ecu is hugely improved. But I still think uc would win 9 out of 10 times if they played on a neutral court today.

They are learning what kind of effort it takes. Setting upper half of the league expectations is unrealistic.

Imo ECU is raising their floor but still have a hard cap on their ceiling.


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I think it’s fair to say ECU already has the effort it takes to win. Execution really is not that bad either. It’s just the lack of talent and depth at PG and C.

ECU is very close to being 2-2 and arguably should be while playing 3 of the top 4 teams in the conference. .500 is a fair assessment when you add a legit PG in Robinson and we get somebody down low.
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(01-13-2019 06:33 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:29 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:17 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  Have fun kicking us while we're down, we get Gardner any help and we're going to be in the upper half of the league next year imo.


I think upper half is little much.


It took Houston even a coupled years to learn to consistently win.

First you get the talent to win, then you learn the effort it takes to win, then finally you learn the kind of execution it takes to win in conference and after that, then you win.

Without looking at rosters next year, if ECU finished 8th last year, I’d consider that progress and success.


Ecu is hugely improved. But I still think uc would win 9 out of 10 times if they played on a neutral court today.

They are learning what kind of effort it takes. Setting upper half of the league expectations is unrealistic.

Imo ECU is raising their floor but still have a hard cap on their ceiling.


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I think it’s fair to say ECU already has the effort it takes to win. Execution really is not that bad either. It’s just the lack of talent and depth at PG and C.

ECU is very close to being 2-2 and arguably should be while playing 3 of the top 4 teams in the conference. .500 is a fair assessment when you add a legit PG in Robinson and we get somebody down low.

UC, UCF. who's the third?
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(01-13-2019 06:19 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:15 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:11 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 05:56 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Gardner is the best freshman in the league and it’s not even close.


Better than Hinton, Johnson and who ever else.

I think he deserves to be in the best player in the conference conversation period at this point. I was skeptical that he would be able to get the kind of shots off he did in OOC in the AAC vs bigger players and rebound as well but after putting up 35 and 20 on UCF with one of the freaking biggest defensive presence ever in basketball kind of hard to doubt him at this point with all their size and quality of the teams he's doing it against.

I’m not going that far yet.

Maybe one of the best bigs tho. I’d take him over any big UC, Houston, UCF, or temple has.

Houston fans love Fabian white but I’d take Gardner over white all day.


It’s just there are a lot of really talented guards in the league that are above him at the moment.


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He already has the highest PER in the AAC by 3 points and didn't do anything to hurt it tonight with 35 and 20. At some point he will have to start getting his due not just among freshman. He's even a surprisingly good defensive player as well, damn good defensive rating to boot.


Yea. But the best players on losing teams have a hard time getting respect.

I think he needs to focus on a perimeter shot and he could end up filling the kinda role Gary Clark fills in the nba for the rockets.

Rebounding always translates.




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(01-13-2019 06:39 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:33 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:29 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:17 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  Have fun kicking us while we're down, we get Gardner any help and we're going to be in the upper half of the league next year imo.


I think upper half is little much.


It took Houston even a coupled years to learn to consistently win.

First you get the talent to win, then you learn the effort it takes to win, then finally you learn the kind of execution it takes to win in conference and after that, then you win.

Without looking at rosters next year, if ECU finished 8th last year, I’d consider that progress and success.


Ecu is hugely improved. But I still think uc would win 9 out of 10 times if they played on a neutral court today.

They are learning what kind of effort it takes. Setting upper half of the league expectations is unrealistic.

Imo ECU is raising their floor but still have a hard cap on their ceiling.


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I think it’s fair to say ECU already has the effort it takes to win. Execution really is not that bad either. It’s just the lack of talent and depth at PG and C.

ECU is very close to being 2-2 and arguably should be while playing 3 of the top 4 teams in the conference. .500 is a fair assessment when you add a legit PG in Robinson and we get somebody down low.

UC, UCF. who's the third?

Memphis.

http://theamerican.org/news/2018/10/14/m...orite.aspx
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(01-13-2019 06:39 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:19 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:15 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:11 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 05:56 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Gardner is the best freshman in the league and it’s not even close.


Better than Hinton, Johnson and who ever else.

I think he deserves to be in the best player in the conference conversation period at this point. I was skeptical that he would be able to get the kind of shots off he did in OOC in the AAC vs bigger players and rebound as well but after putting up 35 and 20 on UCF with one of the freaking biggest defensive presence ever in basketball kind of hard to doubt him at this point with all their size and quality of the teams he's doing it against.

I’m not going that far yet.

Maybe one of the best bigs tho. I’d take him over any big UC, Houston, UCF, or temple has.

Houston fans love Fabian white but I’d take Gardner over white all day.


It’s just there are a lot of really talented guards in the league that are above him at the moment.


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He already has the highest PER in the AAC by 3 points and didn't do anything to hurt it tonight with 35 and 20. At some point he will have to start getting his due not just among freshman. He's even a surprisingly good defensive player as well, damn good defensive rating to boot.


Yea. But the best players on losing teams have a hard time getting respect.

I think he needs to focus on a perimeter shot and he could end up filling the kinda role Gary Clark fills in the nba for the rockets.

Rebounding always translates.




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Yup. Jeremiah Martin had some of the best stats in conference last season and only made 2nd Team All-Conference.
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(01-13-2019 06:40 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:39 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:33 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:29 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:17 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  Have fun kicking us while we're down, we get Gardner any help and we're going to be in the upper half of the league next year imo.


I think upper half is little much.


It took Houston even a coupled years to learn to consistently win.

First you get the talent to win, then you learn the effort it takes to win, then finally you learn the kind of execution it takes to win in conference and after that, then you win.

Without looking at rosters next year, if ECU finished 8th last year, I’d consider that progress and success.


Ecu is hugely improved. But I still think uc would win 9 out of 10 times if they played on a neutral court today.

They are learning what kind of effort it takes. Setting upper half of the league expectations is unrealistic.

Imo ECU is raising their floor but still have a hard cap on their ceiling.


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I think it’s fair to say ECU already has the effort it takes to win. Execution really is not that bad either. It’s just the lack of talent and depth at PG and C.

ECU is very close to being 2-2 and arguably should be while playing 3 of the top 4 teams in the conference. .500 is a fair assessment when you add a legit PG in Robinson and we get somebody down low.

UC, UCF. who's the third?

Memphis.

http://theamerican.org/news/2018/10/14/m...orite.aspx

Interesting. SMU is probably the better of the two teams, imo. Definitely a tough slate to though. Three road games, plus the Cincy game. I think several teams in this conference would've gone winless on that slate.
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(01-13-2019 06:40 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:39 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:33 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:29 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:17 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  Have fun kicking us while we're down, we get Gardner any help and we're going to be in the upper half of the league next year imo.


I think upper half is little much.


It took Houston even a coupled years to learn to consistently win.

First you get the talent to win, then you learn the effort it takes to win, then finally you learn the kind of execution it takes to win in conference and after that, then you win.

Without looking at rosters next year, if ECU finished 8th last year, I’d consider that progress and success.


Ecu is hugely improved. But I still think uc would win 9 out of 10 times if they played on a neutral court today.

They are learning what kind of effort it takes. Setting upper half of the league expectations is unrealistic.

Imo ECU is raising their floor but still have a hard cap on their ceiling.


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I think it’s fair to say ECU already has the effort it takes to win. Execution really is not that bad either. It’s just the lack of talent and depth at PG and C.

ECU is very close to being 2-2 and arguably should be while playing 3 of the top 4 teams in the conference. .500 is a fair assessment when you add a legit PG in Robinson and we get somebody down low.

UC, UCF. who's the third?

Memphis.

http://theamerican.org/news/2018/10/14/m...orite.aspx

Those are preseason coaches' guesses. UCONN is not top 5.
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(01-13-2019 06:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:40 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:39 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:33 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:29 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  I think upper half is little much.


It took Houston even a coupled years to learn to consistently win.

First you get the talent to win, then you learn the effort it takes to win, then finally you learn the kind of execution it takes to win in conference and after that, then you win.

Without looking at rosters next year, if ECU finished 8th last year, I’d consider that progress and success.


Ecu is hugely improved. But I still think uc would win 9 out of 10 times if they played on a neutral court today.

They are learning what kind of effort it takes. Setting upper half of the league expectations is unrealistic.

Imo ECU is raising their floor but still have a hard cap on their ceiling.


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I think it’s fair to say ECU already has the effort it takes to win. Execution really is not that bad either. It’s just the lack of talent and depth at PG and C.

ECU is very close to being 2-2 and arguably should be while playing 3 of the top 4 teams in the conference. .500 is a fair assessment when you add a legit PG in Robinson and we get somebody down low.

UC, UCF. who's the third?

Memphis.

http://theamerican.org/news/2018/10/14/m...orite.aspx

Those are preseason coaches' guesses. UCONN is not top 5.

They fit my narrative though
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Great game, ECU. Dooley might have you guys in the top half of the AAC in a season or two.

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(01-13-2019 05:42 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Tacko would be a waste of a draft pick. Imagine him trying to guard Tim Duncan or Jokic or Porzingis.

Hell Washington held him to 2 points over 2 games vs ECU a couple of years ago. Taco had 5 or 6 inches on him.
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Ecu is going to get better.


The problem is: literally almost every team in this league is on a trajectory of getting or having a young roster.

Uc will run out 3 seniors next year

Hurley will be in year 2

Memphis will add a top 3 player

Houston loses 3 starters but has a young talented group of returners

WSU can and will get much better under Marshall

USF loses just 1 guy


I mean that’s your upper half right there and I haven’t even mentioned temple, UCF & Tulsa

ECU getting to the top half of the league next year is a pretty insane task. Dooley is a good coach, but he’s also facing a conference full of other good coaches.


But we want every team in this conference to be better. I’d just wish they did it in the non conference first.





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(01-13-2019 06:39 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:19 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:15 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 06:11 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 05:56 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Gardner is the best freshman in the league and it’s not even close.


Better than Hinton, Johnson and who ever else.

I think he deserves to be in the best player in the conference conversation period at this point. I was skeptical that he would be able to get the kind of shots off he did in OOC in the AAC vs bigger players and rebound as well but after putting up 35 and 20 on UCF with one of the freaking biggest defensive presence ever in basketball kind of hard to doubt him at this point with all their size and quality of the teams he's doing it against.

I’m not going that far yet.

Maybe one of the best bigs tho. I’d take him over any big UC, Houston, UCF, or temple has.

Houston fans love Fabian white but I’d take Gardner over white all day.


It’s just there are a lot of really talented guards in the league that are above him at the moment.


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He already has the highest PER in the AAC by 3 points and didn't do anything to hurt it tonight with 35 and 20. At some point he will have to start getting his due not just among freshman. He's even a surprisingly good defensive player as well, damn good defensive rating to boot.


Yea. But the best players on losing teams have a hard time getting respect.

I think he needs to focus on a perimeter shot and he could end up filling the kinda role Gary Clark fills in the nba for the rockets.

Rebounding always translates.




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He has no control over the quality of his team mates, hard to punish him on that. If you take him just on his merits, which I think is completely fair in this context, he has been the best player in the conference already. Certainly at worst he has a case.

This is coming from some that was skeptical he would be doing the same thing in conference he did OOC, I expected some regression in his production but it's actually went the other way.

I don't know how you quantify his actual talent. He doesn't have measurable or anything that pops physically, the opposite actually but who cares when he's getting stupid numbers and doing it with literally the worst 3 point shooting in the nation (#346) and $hit play around him. It's not like these teams aren't collapsing on him and LeDay and they are still getting theirs all around the rim which is crazy.

What they hell is going to happen when Gardner actually gets space and we don't shot 27% from three as a team? 346th place spacing and he's still getting it done down low. It's like John Thompson said, this isn't like the guy got hot from 3. This is a more sustainable offensive game he can bring most nights. Just need shooting around him to really unlock even more room to work.
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I think the Mike Dunleavy Sr. experiment has failed.
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Finishing in the top half of the league won't matter once we start putting 7 teams in the tourney lol
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(01-13-2019 06:59 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Finishing in the top half of the league won't matter once we start putting 7 teams in the tourney lol

Well with us being at four pretty comfortably this year and maybe five, then figuring in that Memphis and UConn aren't one of the four and that WSU is having a sub par year and yeah we might see 5-7 bids next year, especially with the bottom ECU and USF improving so steeply.
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Everyone needs to kill their OOC schedules next season. Conference play is gonna be a bloodbath.
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(01-13-2019 06:58 PM)canewton Wrote:  I think the Mike Dunleavy Sr. experiment has failed.

I think losing a kid early to the NBA is a much bigger deal.when in the middle of a rebuild than when already established. They desperately need a high level point guard.
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(01-13-2019 07:04 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Everyone needs to kill their OOC schedules next season. Conference play is gonna be a bloodbath already this year

FIFY
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(01-13-2019 06:58 PM)canewton Wrote:  I think the Mike Dunleavy Sr. experiment has failed.

Not enough cheating.
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(01-13-2019 06:59 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Finishing in the top half of the league won't matter once we start putting 7 teams in the tourney lol


That will never happen


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