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Someone posted video of the QMB deflection and it looked pretty clear to me that the clock was started late after his deflection (meaning <0.5 seconds should have remained for the final play). I am pretty good about removing my Rice-homer hat and can say objectively that the refs and/or timekeeper screwed up both times in UTEP’s favor.
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(01-14-2019 11:04 PM)mrbig Wrote:  Someone posted video of the QMB deflection and it looked pretty clear to
me that the clock was started late after his deflection (meaning <0.5 seconds should have remained for the final play). I am pretty good about removing my Rice-homer hat and can say objectively that the refs and/or timekeeper screwed up both times in UTEP’s favor.

Funny, I hadn't even bothered to look at when the clock started on the deflection. That's a solid 0.3-0.5 second delay. Although that's a tougher play to judge as an official because you're not expecting the deflection. Still no reason they didn't review that.
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(01-14-2019 11:44 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 11:04 PM)mrbig Wrote:  Someone posted video of the QMB deflection and it looked pretty clear to
me that the clock was started late after his deflection (meaning <0.5 seconds should have remained for the final play). I am pretty good about removing my Rice-homer hat and can say objectively that the refs and/or timekeeper screwed up both times in UTEP’s favor.

Funny, I hadn't even bothered to look at when the clock started on the deflection. That's a solid 0.3-0.5 second delay. Although that's a tougher play to judge as an official because you're not expecting the deflection. Still no reason they didn't review that.

My thoughts exactly. I can understand them being late starting the clock with the unexpected deflection. But I can't understand them either: (1) Not reviewing the deflection or; (2) reviewing the deflection and deciding that 0.5 seconds remained.

The problem is that if the refs had gotten either of those timing calls correct, Rice wins the game because UTEP doesn't get the last shot off. Instead, they got both wrong and both were the kind of calls that could have been reviewed, should have been reviewed, and should have been reviewed accurately to within at least 0.1 seconds.
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(01-14-2019 09:15 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Anybody know if Pera commented on the end of the game on his radio show?

I couldn't listen to it live. Is it archived for replay?
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Was curious what UTEP fans thought of the timekeeping over the last few plays. They seem pretty universal in recognizing that Rice got screwed and that the last shot should not have counted. So at least they are honest about it!

https://utep.forums.rivals.com/threads/r...900/page-2
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According to college basketball sources Conference USA has finished its review of Rice's loss to UTEP Saturday night and the result of the game will not be reversed. Rice officials asked for the review after UTEP was able to win the game with two plays taking place in 1.5 seconds

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/stat...3111525377
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(01-15-2019 03:03 PM)07owl Wrote:  Not surprising:

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According to college basketball sources Conference USA has finished its review of Rice's loss to UTEP Saturday night and the result of the game will not be reversed. Rice officials asked for the review after UTEP was able to win the game with two plays taking place in 1.5 seconds

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/stat...3111525377

Quote:"We determined the clock did not start on time..All video replay processes will be reviewed to ensure the best possible information is available to our officials on site"
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I hope we get to host UTEP at the end of the season, and if so, I'd like to see us conduct a halftime experiment/promotion where students are to retrieve a pass, turn and shoot within 0.5 seconds. To make it easier, we'll throw the passes from just outside the 3-point lane. The fastest to get the ball, turn and make a 2-pointer just inside the 3-point line gets a free pizza.

What's the conference going to do to us? Take away a win?
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Not that it matters, but none of the officiating crew is getting a suspension? There's typically a run of the mill 1-game suspension for somebody.
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(01-15-2019 03:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I hope we get to host UTEP at the end of the season, and if so, I'd like to see us conduct a halftime experiment/promotion where students are to retrieve a pass, turn and shoot within 0.5 seconds. To make it easier, we'll throw the passes from just outside the 3-point lane. The fastest to get the ball, turn and make a 2-pointer just inside the 3-point line gets a free pizza.

What's the conference going to do to us? Take away a win?

I'd hope instead we prepare better, so that next time, we aren't in a situation where we are barely up at the end against the 261st ranked team (per Ken Pomeroy).

Terrible refereeing is pervasive across MBB. We seem to always be on the losing end of it.
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(01-15-2019 03:39 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Not that it matters, but none of the officiating crew is getting a suspension? There's typically a run of the mill 1-game suspension for somebody.

I doubt CUSA has the authority to do anything. Honestly I’m not sure I remember a positive thing this conference office has done. We have the worst media deal in FBS. We regularly screw up scheduling with no attempt to create rivalries. Our championships are poorly attended. Minimal social media presence... I think there is 1 lady that runs all of the accounts.

Do the people in the conference office just sit around and collect a paycheck?

I like pod play for a lower tier league like ours. At least we can hopefully make it harder for the NCAA committee to seed us at 15 each year.
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(01-15-2019 03:39 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Not that it matters, but none of the officiating crew is getting a suspension? There's typically a run of the mill 1-game suspension for somebody.

Doubt it. C-USA is pretty weak.

We just need to let this go and work towards not being in this situation next time.
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Interesting chart comparing CUSA basketball teams: https://twitter.com/mid_madness/status/1...0672646144

In a league of our own on defense, in a bad way
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Also, that statement from MacLeod is remarkably weak (unless there's a more comprehensive one coming out later). Could you give less detail? What does this even mean: "All video replay processes will be reviewed to ensure the best possible information is available to our officials on site?" The video feed was perfectly clear in both circumstances. The process is you have three refs walk over to a tiny video screen...it can't be that difficult.
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(01-15-2019 03:37 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I hope we get to host UTEP at the end of the season, and if so, I'd like to see us conduct a halftime experiment/promotion where students are to retrieve a pass, turn and shoot within 0.5 seconds. To make it easier, we'll throw the passes from just outside the 3-point lane. The fastest to get the ball, turn and make a 2-pointer just inside the 3-point line gets a free pizza.

What's the conference going to do to us? Take away a win?

Why not just let the MOB (BOB?) come up with a short halftime show? But I do like the student/pizza promotion.
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(01-15-2019 03:59 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Also, that statement from MacLeod is remarkably weak (unless there's a more comprehensive one coming out later). Could you give less detail? What does this even mean: "All video replay processes will be reviewed to ensure the best possible information is available to our officials on site?" The video feed was perfectly clear in both circumstances. The process is you have three refs walk over to a tiny video screen...it can't be that difficult.

The conference probably used my screen grabs to see the error...doubt they could do it themselves. After all how can anyone watch what the player was doing and not think something was wrong.
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(01-15-2019 05:49 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(01-15-2019 03:59 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Also, that statement from MacLeod is remarkably weak (unless there's a more comprehensive one coming out later). Could you give less detail? What does this even mean: "All video replay processes will be reviewed to ensure the best possible information is available to our officials on site?" The video feed was perfectly clear in both circumstances. The process is you have three refs walk over to a tiny video screen...it can't be that difficult.

The conference probably used my screen grabs to see the error...doubt they could do it themselves. After all how can anyone watch what the player was doing and not think something was wrong.

I'm just really confused. I know, we should all move on to North Texas. But this is laughable ineptitude at every level. You're supposed to make things clearer after an inquiry, not the other way around.
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Adding salt...

Quote:Freshman of the Week
Nigel Hawkins
Freshman, 6-4, 185, G, Houston, Texas
Hawkins posted a career night against Rice, tallying a personal-best 24 points on a career-high nine field goals in a buzzer-beating 65-64 victory. The freshman’s efforts helped surge the Miners to their first league win of the season.

http://conferenceusa.com/news/2019/1/14/...-week.aspx
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Technically he did beat the buzzer
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