(01-13-2019 05:06 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(01-13-2019 04:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2019 03:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  My my my my my.......... he gave the polling data to underlings.......... this is from Manafort’s attorneys mind you. Manafort is a proven liar and Mueller knows it. You guys keep up your fantasy that this is all the deep state .

The FBI is investigating whether the a President of the United States is an asset to a foreign adversary. White wash that all you want. It’s not going to end well for you.

A couple of hours ago you were repeating the lie that he gave the data to a Russian GRU agent.

Now its collusion to give data to underlings? And again, its Mueller's claim.

Here's my question. Has Mueller himself said this openly on the record? Or is this simply the MSM reporting that this is what Mueller has said?

For a classified investigation, its amazing how much the MSM claims they know about every single part of the investigation.

And then claim at the same time that he doesn't leak and has all this extra information.

(01-13-2019 03:38 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Manafort’s own lawyers admitted in the brief they failed to redact that they shared the info. Educate yourself on the case. I have obviously you haven’t. Manafort’s own lawyers admitted to it.

Not to Russians and it was a process crime that Mueller charged him with. In the same brief the lawyers complained about their client being held in isolation with no reading materials and no way to recall history. Mach screws this up every thread. Wonder how long Mueller could put him in prison for with the same tactics?

Go to this thing called twitter. Follow the Hoarse Whisperer. I’m on my cell phone right now and copying and pasting is just hard. Go to it. They explain why all of the people you complain about were only brought up on things on the periphery. They don’t want to give up the intel or the sources. You protect sources.

US Ambassador Richard Grenell threatens German firms over Russian pipeline
The US ambassador to Berlin, Richard Grenell, has sent threatening letters to German companies working on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, according to a German newspaper. Grenell reportedly warns of possible sanctions.

German companies building the Nord Stream 2 pipeline between Germany and Russia received letters from US Ambassador Richard Grenell warning them of "a significant risk of sanctions" if they did not pull out of the project, Germany's mass-circulation Bild am Sonntag has reported.

The large pipeline is set to deliver gas from northwestern Russia to northern Germany under the Baltic Sea and effectively double the amount of gas Germany imports from the country.

The US opposes the project over fears that the gas link would tighten Russia's control of Europe's energy supply and diminish the importance of gas transit countries such as Ukraine. US companies are also keen to sell gas obtained by fracking to many European countries.
https://www.dw.com/en/us-ambassador-rich...a-47062540

Certainly a Russian Asset.

Let me see if I understand this.

Manafort (or his underlings) gave private intellectual property (polling data) to Russia.

It wasn't government information. If it wasn't government information, it can't have been classified information.

So a private individual (not a government employee) gave private information (not government information) to a foreign government.

Let's see. You can't give information to a foreign government if it falls under certain technology restrictions. Was this technology? No, I don't think so.

So from what I can garner here the only thing that makes this "wrong" is that some people don't like it.

Is that right?

When that government is hacking computers and doing a disinformation campaign based on that data.... yeah. That’s bad. You guys have lost your collective minds. No other explanation.

(01-13-2019 07:15 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  When that government is hacking computers and doing a disinformation campaign based on that data.... yeah. That’s bad. You guys have lost your collective minds. No other explanation.

Ok. So you think it's bad.

Since when is what you think is bad a legal standard?

Since when is what you think is bad the standard to nullify my vote by impeaching my President?

Since when is what you think worth an iota more than what I think? It isn't.

What you think doesn't control our legal process.

(01-13-2019 05:09 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They are all the same...... geez Louise........his own lawyers admit he gave away the polling data!!!! Mueller doesn’t have to allege. He knows where it ended up. Manafort attorneys are the one concocted they gave it to someone else! Your own words prove your argument is bs. He shared the internal polls. Those internal polls were used to target specific demographics of Facebook users.

This is comical to watch. I really believe that in just a few years TDS will be recognized in the Journals of Mental Health Medicine and likely have several chapters discussing causes and treatments. I'm not sure that some that are afflicted will ever be cured of it.

(01-13-2019 07:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-13-2019 05:09 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They are all the same...... geez Louise........his own lawyers admit he gave away the polling data!!!! Mueller doesn’t have to allege. He knows where it ended up. Manafort attorneys are the one concocted they gave it to someone else! Your own words prove your argument is bs. He shared the internal polls. Those internal polls were used to target specific demographics of Facebook users.

This is comical to watch. I really believe that in just a few years TDS will be recognized in the Journals of Mental Health Medicine and likely have several chapters discussing causes and treatments. I'm not sure that some that are afflicted will ever be cured of it.

Psychologists are among the biggest victims of TDS. So unless they all move to Canada, its unlikely they will lead the way to recognize the disease.

It’s truly a cult with you guys. It’s amazing. Reason. Facts. They go out the window

7 GOP senators spent the 4th of July in Moscow. The NRA has been infiltrated. You all need to clean up your damn mess.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost...story.html

(01-13-2019 05:48 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Go to this thing called twitter. Follow the Hoarse Whisperer. I’m on my cell phone right now and copying and pasting is just hard. Go to it. They explain why all of the people you complain about were only brought up on things on the periphery. They don’t want to give up the intel or the sources. You protect sources.

U r losing it. Seriously take a break. Go out.. Breathe a bit.

(01-13-2019 09:02 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  7 GOP senators spent the 4th of July in Moscow. The NRA has been infiltrated. You all need to clean up your damn mess.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost...story.html

Please seek help.

(01-13-2019 05:09 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Those internal polls were used to target specific demographics of Facebook users.

Oh you mean those actions that helped Clinton more?
https://theconversation.com/even-a-few-b...ays-104377

Quote:Nearly two-thirds of the social media bots with political activity on Twitter before the 2016 U.S. presidential election supported Donald Trump. But all those Trump bots were far less effective at shifting people’s opinions than the smaller proportion of bots backing Hillary Clinton.

(01-13-2019 09:02 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  7 GOP senators spent the 4th of July in Moscow. The NRA has been infiltrated. You all need to clean up your damn mess.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost...story.html

WTH are you talking about? So 7 GOP senators were in Moscow for the 4th. I was in Sankt-Petersburg. Does that make me a Russian spy? NRA infiltrated? By whom? How?

You are taking tiny slivers of data points and using your imagination (or whoever's blog you are reading) to concoct all manner and sorts of things that just aren't facts.

(01-13-2019 05:48 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Go to this thing called twitter. Follow the Hoarse Whisperer. I’m on my cell phone right now and copying and pasting is just hard. Go to it. They explain why all of the people you complain about were only brought up on things on the periphery. They don’t want to give up the intel or the sources. You protect sources.

Please tell me you're not getting your 'facts' from random accounts on twitter.
How do you know that account isn't a Russian account specifically intended to destabilize the US so Russia can do whatever they want without being focused on because the US is so focused on itself.

It's called tradecraft. It's the same thing the CIA does in other countries. Create internal turmoil in a country so they fight amongst themselves.

Congrats... you're a Russian marionette.

I know when I need the real facts - I got to the Horse's Ass on Twitter. You'll never see the world the same again...

(01-13-2019 09:02 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  7 GOP senators spent the 4th of July in Moscow. The NRA has been infiltrated. You all need to clean up your damn mess.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost...story.html

So did my Mom and Dad, circa about 1986 or so, stay in the right places they said it was lovely. Right, Smack, Dab in the not "Russia", but the Soviet Union.

Were they commies, too?

Good grief, man. Have you no shame? It's McCarthy all over again with you fake ROOOSKIES!!! foes. Ya'll loved them 30 months ago...

(01-13-2019 01:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2019 12:56 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 01:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 01:10 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  As I have said to you many many times Owl. This is not a tv show. You don’t get the bad guy by the third commercial break.

But you ought to be able to come up with something. I mean, the basic premise was that Trump colluded with "the Russians" to fix the 2016 presidential election. That's a pretty focused object to investigate. Instead of that, we've prosecuted Manafort for basically failing to file tax disclosure forms 8-10 years before the election, and Flynn for lying about contacts after the election that were perfectly appropriate for a member of a transition team to be having, and a bunch of Russian companies that he has no jurisdiction over for actions unrelated to any contact with Trump. I mean, by this time in Watergate, Nixon had been resigned for nearly half a year, and Mueller's not even getting warm.

It's the basic concept, "Orange man bad, so there must be something criminal somewhere, so keep looking until we find it." It's the same mentality that led Dan Rather to concoct a phony letter about GWB's national guard service.

Trump’s campaign chair Manafort shared polling data with the GRU who then used that information to do a psyop on Facebook. My God man you are incredibly obtuse. All we have so far.......

We have guilty pleas from Flynn, Manafort, Cohen and they are turning state witness. Some more than others and Manafort will be severely punished. Stone’s and DJT’s turn in the barrel will be coming soon.

Keep up Mach. The Times retracted that story. You are repeating a lie which was pointed out in your previous thread. I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you keep reading blogs that repeat the same lies instead of assuming you are flat out lying here like the NYTimes does. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2...ess-17.php
"...The story now runs with this postscript: “A previous version of this article misidentified the people to whom Paul Manafort wanted a Russian associate to send polling data. Mr. Manafort wanted the data sent to two Ukrainian oligarchs, Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov, not Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch close to the Kremlin.” Oops...."

Classic.

Just,.... Classic.



Errrrrrrrrnevahmind Lol

(01-13-2019 02:46 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(01-13-2019 12:45 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(01-13-2019 10:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-13-2019 10:28 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Do you know? Have you seen the katyotype? Your mind is convinced it’s Sarah’s you have no proof. But that’s neither here nor there and your desperate attempt to distract issues.

Do you? Have you?

OMG, you really have gone off the deep end.

This is your typical post, "I'm going to post something off-the-wall crazy and try to force you to prove it wrong."

We won't know anything until we know it. I'll make up my mind when we know. I'm no fan of Trump, but I'm even less of a fan of any leading democrat. I prefer Trump slightly to Hillary, and I prefer lying, crooked, corrupt Hillary by miles and miles over any other democrat.

Then quit bringing it up every time you get backed into a corner. It’s tiresome. Stick to the issues. The FBI and Mueller has evidence that Trump is a Russian asset. That should be the thing that concerns you. Not some very abnormal things from 2008.

The FBI and Mueller have not even alleged that Trump is a Russian asset and so far no evidence of that has been produced. In fact the articles you posted deny that contention and merely note that investigations were started based upon fears that he might be based upon his firing of Comey. Multi-year investigations that have bore no fruit of that narrative.

Well, yea. Duh.

But, have you checked the twittersphere?

C'Moooooon!!! They wouldn't print it if it wasn't true