(01-12-2019 10:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:34 PM)Norm DaNiner Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:49 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Some are confused between market share and location.

clt didn’t realize that appy was in the CUSA, congrats on a big step up.

And take a pay cut?

Nah, but we need you to start a basketball program and then support it. Since you are in CUSA you will need to play more than one sport.

1>0

If football was our only revenue generating sport....you would be correct. But it is not.... I am impressed by Apps support of football, I hope you can pick it up in other sports.

(01-13-2019 12:55 PM)Norm DaNiner Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 10:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:34 PM)Norm DaNiner Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:49 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt didn’t realize that appy was in the CUSA, congrats on a big step up.

And take a pay cut?

Nah, but we need you to start a basketball program and then support it. Since you are in CUSA you will need to play more than one sport.

1>0

If football was our only revenue generating sport....you would be correct. But it is not.... I am impressed by Apps support of football, I hope you can pick it up in other sports.

I have to agree with this. App State basketball program is....well it isn't very good.

So far this year they are averaging 678/game. That is not a typo. 6 home games for a total of 4,067 fans on the year. FIU is the only CUSA team with less avg attendance. Let's put this in perspective.....

These CUSA teams average more in 1 game than App St has had ALL YEAR LONG (6 games.)


Marshall- 6,632
ODU 6,286
WKU- 5,962
UTEP- 4,586
MTSU- 4,332

(01-12-2019 09:28 PM)MUther Wrote:  Rice should funnel their endowment into their athletic budget every year and then have the $3.96B surplus on the books just so they can make the Alabamas of the world weep when the USNews reports come out each year.

The endowment was listed as $6.3B when last reported by the university on June 30, 2018. http://www.oir.rice.edu

(01-12-2019 12:28 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 08:57 AM)TTT Wrote:  It's also worth pointing out that USM doesn't charge the hell out of student tuition with athletic fees and what not like many schools do.

Doesn't like half of FAU and ODU's budget come from student fees or something like that? I'm kinda out of the loop on everyone's budget #'s and how much comes from student fees.

FAU is not heavily funded by student fees we are somewhere in the middle of CUSA. Our fees are comparitive with other top G5 schools.

ODU, FIU, and Charlotte are heavily funded by student fees.

There is a complicating factor that nobody is mentioning in this thread--some states allow universities to budget for and spend money on athletics, and others do not. In NC, no state money goes to facilities, operations, etc. Our student fees are higher because taxpayer money going into athletics is minimal. And, tuition at our state schools is heavily subsidized making going to college in NC a relative bargain, so the athletic fees must be considered in the context of total cost of a year in college.

While I might have quibbled with the portion of my tuition/fees going towards dance and theater programs when I was in school, that is just how it works when you go to a university. The students that are not getting their money's worth from the activities they do choose to participate in may be getting a degree, but they are missing out on the education.

(01-13-2019 08:14 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(01-13-2019 07:21 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 10:14 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:48 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says markets do matter.

Some are confused between market share and location.

Gosh. Isn't that the truth. It's funny. App State football has a bigger market share of Charlotte than Charlotte football has in Charlotte.

clt says you sit on a throne of lies.

I'm not concerned with what you or the other 2 Charlotte fans think.

You're a clueless idiot.

(01-13-2019 01:26 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(01-13-2019 12:55 PM)Norm DaNiner Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 10:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:34 PM)Norm DaNiner Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  And take a pay cut?

Nah, but we need you to start a basketball program and then support it. Since you are in CUSA you will need to play more than one sport.

1>0

If football was our only revenue generating sport....you would be correct. But it is not.... I am impressed by Apps support of football, I hope you can pick it up in other sports.

I have to agree with this. App State basketball program is....well it isn't very good.

So far this year they are averaging 678/game. That is not a typo. 6 home games for a total of 4,067 fans on the year. FIU is the only CUSA team with less avg attendance. Let's put this in perspective.....

These CUSA teams average more in 1 game than App St has had ALL YEAR LONG (6 games.)


Marshall- 6,632
ODU 6,286
WKU- 5,962
UTEP- 4,586
MTSU- 4,332

Yep, App averages several hundred less in Men's basketball than we do in Men's soccer...................But I do enjoy playing them.....In state rivals are always fun.

(01-11-2019 09:43 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  The bottom few schools need to take football more seriously. On the other hand, the top heavy Sunbelt will suffer after they lose their coaches. Their recruiting and budgets do not match up to the top or middle of CUSA. Our big drop off is at the bottom, the bottom of CUSA tends to be the bottom of all CFB teams. I’m not putting any programs down but better hires and stronger recruiting are necessary. We may not have 100 years of FCS wins but you can’t say the Florida schools haven’t invested in football/basketball.

Proof? Assuming all goes well in the gel of the new staff at App, things may be better this season than in previous seasons. A more aggressive offense with the same aggressive defense could result in better overall results, including actually beating Penn State, Tennessee, or Wake Forest. App has two get right games before heading to Chapel Hell in Week 3 and we will see how well, or how much drop off there is at that point.

The Sun Belt has surpassed C-USA. Money and budget isn't everything. Georgia Southern made a bad hire and once they corrected it, the very next season they win 10 games. There is something to be said for the foundation and Troy, App, and Georgia Southern are all firmly on the ground.

Most C-USA schools, aside from Marshall and USM, don't have much of a foundation to build on and must focus on building their foundation first. UAB is attempting to do that though I have my doubts. The new C-USA will always be topsy turvy because of the lack of sustained success of any program that isn't in Huntington or Hattiesburg. If you would be so kind as to release them to the Sun Belt, that would be great.

(01-12-2019 06:19 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:01 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:42 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:43 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  Their recruiting and budgets do not match up to the top or middle of CUSA.

I like to be fact-based when making assertions so I checked the latest available numbers. Here are the budgets of the Top 7 of each conference, in millions.

ODU 46.2 Ark State 39.5
Char 37.9 Tex State 38.4
FAU 34.5 App State 35.0
MTSU 34.0 Coastal 33.7
N Tex 32.2 USA 30.7
UTEP 31.7 Ga State 30.2
WKU 30.4 Troy 29.9

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

To suggest there's some significant difference in the athletic budgets of the top schools of the two leagues is stretching it a bit.

As for recruiting, dunno. Perhaps I'll muster the energy one day soon to look at that as well.

Per 247
2018 CUSA top recruiting class score 173.58, top avg class 83.04
2018 SBC tip recruiting class score 148.03, top avg class 81.14 (7 CUSA schools had higher scores than the best SBC team)

Then hopefully we'll soon start earning more CFP money than the belch, otherwise, they're beating us more with less.

2 points in average across a few years makes little difference when the lower rated school is better at developing the talent that they have.

It's hilarious. The Sun Belt kids truly think they have passed us.

(01-12-2019 06:34 PM)Norm DaNiner Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:49 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:48 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says markets do matter.

Some are confused between market share and location.

clt didn’t realize that appy was in the CUSA, congrats on a big step up.

And take a pay cut?

Nah, but we need you to start a basketball program and then support it. Since you are in CUSA you will need to play more than one sport.

JE**S CH**ST can App and Charlotte quit turning every thread into a personal pissing match and stay on topic?

(01-14-2019 05:54 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  It's hilarious. The Sun Belt kids truly think they have passed us.

Follow the money.

(01-14-2019 05:06 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:43 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  The bottom few schools need to take football more seriously. On the other hand, the top heavy Sunbelt will suffer after they lose their coaches. Their recruiting and budgets do not match up to the top or middle of CUSA. Our big drop off is at the bottom, the bottom of CUSA tends to be the bottom of all CFB teams. I’m not putting any programs down but better hires and stronger recruiting are necessary. We may not have 100 years of FCS wins but you can’t say the Florida schools haven’t invested in football/basketball.

Proof? Assuming all goes well in the gel of the new staff at App, things may be better this season than in previous seasons. A more aggressive offense with the same aggressive defense could result in better overall results, including actually beating Penn State, Tennessee, or Wake Forest. App has two get right games before heading to Chapel Hell in Week 3 and we will see how well, or how much drop off there is at that point.

The Sun Belt has surpassed C-USA. Money and budget isn't everything. Georgia Southern made a bad hire and once they corrected it, the very next season they win 10 games. There is something to be said for the foundation and Troy, App, and Georgia Southern are all firmly on the ground.

Most C-USA schools, aside from Marshall and USM, don't have much of a foundation to build on and must focus on building their foundation first. UAB is attempting to do that though I have my doubts. The new C-USA will always be topsy turvy because of the lack of sustained success of any program that isn't in Huntington or Hattiesburg. If you would be so kind as to release them to the Sun Belt, that would be great.

We have a solid foundation in FB too

(01-14-2019 05:58 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:34 PM)Norm DaNiner Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:49 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Some are confused between market share and location.

clt didn’t realize that appy was in the CUSA, congrats on a big step up.

And take a pay cut?

Nah, but we need you to start a basketball program and then support it. Since you are in CUSA you will need to play more than one sport.

JE**S CH**ST can App and Charlotte quit turning every thread into a personal pissing match and stay on topic?

clt reminds the appy that you are posting on a cusa chat page

(01-14-2019 07:54 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 05:54 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  It's hilarious. The Sun Belt kids truly think they have passed us.

Follow the money.

What money? we all get peanuts now, the belt, MAC, and CUSA are in the same boat eating from the same bowl of peanuts. MWC is slightly above, and AAC slightly above them. There is no real pissing match between the belt and CUSA, basically get the same scraps. What I wish would happen is the damn attendance rule be enforced, that would send a bunch from the G5 that don't belong back down to where they do belong.

So basically crappy season of football cost us up to $347,000 each in revenue not including the ticket sales that goes with sucking. I understand that over health is important but success on the field is really the only metric that the general public measures. That $347,000 could grossly improve all of our recruiting budgets which is a real sore spot for Tech fans.

I did some calculations and based on payouts per school the Sunbelt was the clear winner. Having only 10 teams guarantees them to make more money each than CUSA nomatter where they land in the rankings. The highest payout per school CUSA can achieve without getting a Access Bowl bid is 1,457,143. The lowest the Sunbelt could go is 1,400,000. This is a sobering reminder of how bad leadership is in CUSA.

(01-15-2019 10:54 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I did some calculations and based on payouts per school the Sunbelt was the clear winner. Having only 10 teams guarantees them to make more money each than CUSA nomatter where they land in the rankings. The highest payout per school CUSA can achieve without getting a Access Bowl bid is 1,457,143. The lowest the Sunbelt could go is 1,400,000. This is a sobering reminder of how bad leadership is in CUSA.

The main reason we need to split this league and trim the fat.

(01-15-2019 10:06 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 07:54 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 05:54 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  It's hilarious. The Sun Belt kids truly think they have passed us.

Follow the money.

What money? we all get peanuts now, the belt, MAC, and CUSA are in the same boat eating from the same bowl of peanuts. MWC is slightly above, and AAC slightly above them. There is no real pissing match between the belt and CUSA, basically get the same scraps. What I wish would happen is the damn attendance rule be enforced, that would send a bunch from the G5 that don't belong back down to where they do belong.

Easier said than done considering several G5 schools (mostly the ones who have the attendance problems) also lie about their attendance regularly.

The NCAA allows colleges to announce their attendance 3 ways: tickets scanned, tickets sold, or an estimation.

As long as schools like Georgia State are allowed to "estimate" 15k in attendance every game despite only having dozens in the stands, enforcing the minimum attendance requirements won't change anything.

(01-15-2019 11:02 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 10:54 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I did some calculations and based on payouts per school the Sunbelt was the clear winner. Having only 10 teams guarantees them to make more money each than CUSA nomatter where they land in the rankings. The highest payout per school CUSA can achieve without getting a Access Bowl bid is 1,457,143. The lowest the Sunbelt could go is 1,400,000. This is a sobering reminder of how bad leadership is in CUSA.

The main reason we need to split this league and trim the fat.

I agree 100% The maximum we can reep as a 14 team league is 1.457 million each. The gross average of 60 teams is 1.433. The minimum the Sunbelt will receive is 1.4 million. Those numbers don't add up for a 1 bid basketball league.

(01-15-2019 11:04 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 10:06 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 07:54 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 05:54 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  It's hilarious. The Sun Belt kids truly think they have passed us.

Follow the money.

What money? we all get peanuts now, the belt, MAC, and CUSA are in the same boat eating from the same bowl of peanuts. MWC is slightly above, and AAC slightly above them. There is no real pissing match between the belt and CUSA, basically get the same scraps. What I wish would happen is the damn attendance rule be enforced, that would send a bunch from the G5 that don't belong back down to where they do belong.

Easier said than done considering several G5 schools (mostly the ones who have the attendance problems) also lie about their attendance regularly.

The NCAA allows colleges to announce their attendance 3 ways: tickets scanned, tickets sold, or an estimation.

As long as schools like Georgia State are allowed to "estimate" 15k in attendance every game despite only having dozens in the stands, enforcing the minimum attendance requirements won't change anything.

That is one of the main things that separated 1-A from 1-AA. Attendance. Larger stadiums, bigger crowds. The NCAA has been such a joke in enforcing this that we now have teams that really weren’t ready to move up now in FBS. They are making the G5 and FCS much more alike than ever.

They need to either strictly enforce the rule, or abolish it.