(01-12-2019 06:01 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:42 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:43 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  Their recruiting and budgets do not match up to the top or middle of CUSA.

I like to be fact-based when making assertions so I checked the latest available numbers. Here are the budgets of the Top 7 of each conference, in millions.

ODU 46.2 Ark State 39.5
Char 37.9 Tex State 38.4
FAU 34.5 App State 35.0
MTSU 34.0 Coastal 33.7
N Tex 32.2 USA 30.7
UTEP 31.7 Ga State 30.2
WKU 30.4 Troy 29.9

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

To suggest there's some significant difference in the athletic budgets of the top schools of the two leagues is stretching it a bit.

As for recruiting, dunno. Perhaps I'll muster the energy one day soon to look at that as well.

Per 247
2018 CUSA top recruiting class score 173.58, top avg class 83.04
2018 SBC tip recruiting class score 148.03, top avg class 81.14 (7 CUSA schools had higher scores than the best SBC team)

Then hopefully we'll soon start earning more CFP money than the belch, otherwise, they're beating us more with less.

(01-12-2019 05:49 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:48 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says markets do matter.

Some are confused between market share and location.

clt didn’t realize that appy was in the CUSA, congrats on a big step up.

And take a pay cut?

(01-12-2019 06:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:49 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:48 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says markets do matter.

Some are confused between market share and location.

clt didn’t realize that appy was in the CUSA, congrats on a big step up.

And take a pay cut?

Nah, but we need you to start a basketball program and then support it. Since you are in CUSA you will need to play more than one sport.

Some C-USA schools need to step up in terms of better decision making-- no acceptance of mediocrity/poor performance. School presidents/AD's make decisions and hire coaches,set budgets, direct fundraising. They should ALL be performance based. There is no time to wait five or six years to see results.

University donors and fans need to support their school and keep the pressure on those in charge if they hope to see big steps upward.Look at North Texas if you have any doubts.

Signed, "should be"--- Captain Obvious

(01-11-2019 11:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:53 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  Another thing to note is the Sunbelt schedules 2 FCS teams a year, so the bottom of the Sunbelt usually has more wins than the bottom of CUSA. I think the 2/3 win Sunbelt teams are really 1/2 win teams. That extra FCS win all across the conference looks more attractive for their overall and ooc records.

Are you saying SBC schools schedule 2 FCS opponents each? Unsure which ones do this?

Also I don’t believe FCS games are counted in the calculation.

App is not helping the cause. We had 2 FCS games scheduled for 2018. Also got 2 scheduled for 2019. What can you say, guess Gillin isn't perfect.

Some of you dont understand budgets or which is the strongest or weakest...

just because a school has a larger % of their budget in fees doesnt mean they are in worse shape...the opposite is actually true. Student fees are there at the beginning of the year. Some schools might depend on a larger % but charge their student less

(01-12-2019 06:19 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:01 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:42 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:43 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  Their recruiting and budgets do not match up to the top or middle of CUSA.

I like to be fact-based when making assertions so I checked the latest available numbers. Here are the budgets of the Top 7 of each conference, in millions.

ODU 46.2 Ark State 39.5
Char 37.9 Tex State 38.4
FAU 34.5 App State 35.0
MTSU 34.0 Coastal 33.7
N Tex 32.2 USA 30.7
UTEP 31.7 Ga State 30.2
WKU 30.4 Troy 29.9

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

To suggest there's some significant difference in the athletic budgets of the top schools of the two leagues is stretching it a bit.

As for recruiting, dunno. Perhaps I'll muster the energy one day soon to look at that as well.

Per 247
2018 CUSA top recruiting class score 173.58, top avg class 83.04
2018 SBC tip recruiting class score 148.03, top avg class 81.14 (7 CUSA schools had higher scores than the best SBC team)

Then hopefully we'll soon start earning more CFP money than the belch, otherwise, they're beating us more with less.

As you already know I'm sure Tech Rocks we completely own both of UL twins on the FB field and are currently 8-0 against Sunbelt Conference in FB

(01-12-2019 07:52 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:19 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:01 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:42 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:43 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  Their recruiting and budgets do not match up to the top or middle of CUSA.

I like to be fact-based when making assertions so I checked the latest available numbers. Here are the budgets of the Top 7 of each conference, in millions.

ODU 46.2 Ark State 39.5
Char 37.9 Tex State 38.4
FAU 34.5 App State 35.0
MTSU 34.0 Coastal 33.7
N Tex 32.2 USA 30.7
UTEP 31.7 Ga State 30.2
WKU 30.4 Troy 29.9

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

To suggest there's some significant difference in the athletic budgets of the top schools of the two leagues is stretching it a bit.

As for recruiting, dunno. Perhaps I'll muster the energy one day soon to look at that as well.

Per 247
2018 CUSA top recruiting class score 173.58, top avg class 83.04
2018 SBC tip recruiting class score 148.03, top avg class 81.14 (7 CUSA schools had higher scores than the best SBC team)

Then hopefully we'll soon start earning more CFP money than the belch, otherwise, they're beating us more with less.

As you already know I'm sure Tech Rocks we completely own both of UL twins on the FB field and are currently 8-0 against Sunbelt Conference in FB

cant recall Anyone ever hearing that from a tech fan before

(01-12-2019 01:53 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Percent Subsidized by each school in CUSA. Starting with the most subsidized according to the 2016-17 report by USA Today Sports posted earlier.


1. FIU- 71.96%
2. FAU- 69.41%
3. Charlotte- 67.78%
4. North Texas- 66.56%
5. MTSU- 65.74%
6. UAB- 62.43%
7. ODU- 62.08%

8. UTSA- 60.43%
9. UTEP- 58.17%
10. WKU- 55.37%

11. Marshall- 48.98%
12. La Tech- 43.23%
13. So Miss- 36.83%


Rice- Private school not listed.

It is not hard to find the Rice numbers. Start with http://www.riceowls.com, Owl Club, 2016-17 Impact Report. In 2016-2017, the Rice athletic budget was $39.1M, and University support was $23.4M. I think that puts subsidy at 59.8%.

(01-12-2019 05:42 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:43 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  Their recruiting and budgets do not match up to the top or middle of CUSA.

I like to be fact-based when making assertions so I checked the latest available numbers. Here are the budgets of the Top 7 of each conference, in millions.

ODU 46.2 Ark State 39.5
Char 37.9 Tex State 38.4
FAU 34.5 App State 35.0
MTSU 34.0 Coastal 33.7
N Tex 32.2 USA 30.7
UTEP 31.7 Ga State 30.2
WKU 30.4 Troy 29.9

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

To suggest there's some significant difference in the athletic budgets of the top schools of the two leagues is stretching it a bit.

As for recruiting, dunno. Perhaps I'll muster the energy one day soon to look at that as well.

Adding Rice at $39.1M changes this just a bit.

(01-12-2019 09:17 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:42 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:43 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  Their recruiting and budgets do not match up to the top or middle of CUSA.

I like to be fact-based when making assertions so I checked the latest available numbers. Here are the budgets of the Top 7 of each conference, in millions.

ODU 46.2 Ark State 39.5
Char 37.9 Tex State 38.4
FAU 34.5 App State 35.0
MTSU 34.0 Coastal 33.7
N Tex 32.2 USA 30.7
UTEP 31.7 Ga State 30.2
WKU 30.4 Troy 29.9

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

To suggest there's some significant difference in the athletic budgets of the top schools of the two leagues is stretching it a bit.

As for recruiting, dunno. Perhaps I'll muster the energy one day soon to look at that as well.

Adding Rice at $39.1M changes this just a bit.

Rice should funnel their endowment into their athletic budget every year and then have the $3.96B surplus on the books just so they can make the Alabamas of the world weep when the USNews reports come out each year.

(01-12-2019 04:49 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  Mississippi State Law (or, as we call it, OP/MSUcks law ) demands all state supported universities to be in "the black" every year. Easy for our two SEC "sisters" since Bama, Georgia, LSU et al sends them a $40 meelion check every year.

Most college programs are operating in "the red" however, and have their arrears paid basically by welfare:
http://projects.huffingtonpost.com/proje...ubsidy-gap
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...l-minority
/www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/cougars/article/University-of-Houston-faces-a-widening-money-gap-12997349.php

Arkansas passed strong restrictions on athletic funding after Arkansas had to make a crazy rally to come back and force OT in Fayetteville in an NIT game.

Applied to all colleges and several jucos dropped athletics and the NAIA schools all ran to NCAA Division II because it had tighter scholarship limits.

Funny how legislators get concerned about athletic spending when the "wrong" team does well.

(01-12-2019 05:53 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:49 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:35 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I'll put together a list based on nothing but student fees when I get some time in the next day or so.

Just looking, La Tech, Marshall, and So Miss are towards the least amount of student fees. In fact, La Tech doesn't use any student fees which is pretty impressive.

LA Tech’s budget is also lower than some SBC schools which is not impressive. Budgets can be an indicator of the future, when belts school pass you in facilities, coaching, and eventually recruiting your budgets will look less “impressive”. LA Tech, USM, and Marshall do a great job with a reduced budget but you could be doing a better job with a bigger budget (see UCF for an example). We need a high budget/performance school to increase our conference brand recognition.

Dude, FAU's budget is almost 70% subsidized by the tax payer. Louisana Tech's sits at 43%.

When a state budget hits a rough spot, and they almost always do, if lawmakers come looking for money at the expense of public university athletic budgets, they're not going to go after the budgets of the P5's because most of them are grads of the P5's and besides, those budgets are usually funded at 5% or less with public funds, some with ZERO.

FAU needs to get its budget exposure fixed.

Tech has survived one of the worst state higher ed funding crisis situations of all time. Your administration did a helluva job.

(01-12-2019 07:52 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:19 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:01 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:42 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:43 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  Their recruiting and budgets do not match up to the top or middle of CUSA.

I like to be fact-based when making assertions so I checked the latest available numbers. Here are the budgets of the Top 7 of each conference, in millions.

ODU 46.2 Ark State 39.5
Char 37.9 Tex State 38.4
FAU 34.5 App State 35.0
MTSU 34.0 Coastal 33.7
N Tex 32.2 USA 30.7
UTEP 31.7 Ga State 30.2
WKU 30.4 Troy 29.9

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

To suggest there's some significant difference in the athletic budgets of the top schools of the two leagues is stretching it a bit.

As for recruiting, dunno. Perhaps I'll muster the energy one day soon to look at that as well.

Per 247
2018 CUSA top recruiting class score 173.58, top avg class 83.04
2018 SBC tip recruiting class score 148.03, top avg class 81.14 (7 CUSA schools had higher scores than the best SBC team)

Then hopefully we'll soon start earning more CFP money than the belch, otherwise, they're beating us more with less.

As you already know I'm sure Tech Rocks we completely own both of UL twins on the FB field and are currently 8-0 against Sunbelt Conference in FB

9-0, not 8-0.

(01-12-2019 05:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:48 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says markets do matter.

Some are confused between market share and location.

Gosh. Isn't that the truth. It's funny. App State football has a bigger market share of Charlotte than Charlotte football has in Charlotte.

(01-12-2019 09:17 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:42 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:43 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  Their recruiting and budgets do not match up to the top or middle of CUSA.

I like to be fact-based when making assertions so I checked the latest available numbers. Here are the budgets of the Top 7 of each conference, in millions.

ODU 46.2 Ark State 39.5
Char 37.9 Tex State 38.4
FAU 34.5 App State 35.0
MTSU 34.0 Coastal 33.7
N Tex 32.2 USA 30.7
UTEP 31.7 Ga State 30.2
WKU 30.4 Troy 29.9

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

To suggest there's some significant difference in the athletic budgets of the top schools of the two leagues is stretching it a bit.

As for recruiting, dunno. Perhaps I'll muster the energy one day soon to look at that as well.

Adding Rice at $39.1M changes this just a bit.

Also UAB’s numbers are w/o football. They were around 32m the year before.

(01-12-2019 06:34 PM)Norm DaNiner Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:49 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:48 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says markets do matter.

Some are confused between market share and location.

clt didn’t realize that appy was in the CUSA, congrats on a big step up.

And take a pay cut?

Nah, but we need you to start a basketball program and then support it. Since you are in CUSA you will need to play more than one sport.

1>0

(01-12-2019 08:41 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 07:52 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:19 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:01 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:42 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  I like to be fact-based when making assertions so I checked the latest available numbers. Here are the budgets of the Top 7 of each conference, in millions.

ODU 46.2 Ark State 39.5
Char 37.9 Tex State 38.4
FAU 34.5 App State 35.0
MTSU 34.0 Coastal 33.7
N Tex 32.2 USA 30.7
UTEP 31.7 Ga State 30.2
WKU 30.4 Troy 29.9

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

To suggest there's some significant difference in the athletic budgets of the top schools of the two leagues is stretching it a bit.

As for recruiting, dunno. Perhaps I'll muster the energy one day soon to look at that as well.

Per 247
2018 CUSA top recruiting class score 173.58, top avg class 83.04
2018 SBC tip recruiting class score 148.03, top avg class 81.14 (7 CUSA schools had higher scores than the best SBC team)

Then hopefully we'll soon start earning more CFP money than the belch, otherwise, they're beating us more with less.

As you already know I'm sure Tech Rocks we completely own both of UL twins on the FB field and are currently 8-0 against Sunbelt Conference in FB

cant recall Anyone ever hearing that from a tech fan before

Still facts

(01-12-2019 10:14 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:48 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says markets do matter.

Some are confused between market share and location.

Gosh. Isn't that the truth. It's funny. App State football has a bigger market share of Charlotte than Charlotte football has in Charlotte.

clt says you sit on a throne of lies.

(01-13-2019 07:21 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 10:14 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 05:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:48 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says markets do matter.

Some are confused between market share and location.

Gosh. Isn't that the truth. It's funny. App State football has a bigger market share of Charlotte than Charlotte football has in Charlotte.

clt says you sit on a throne of lies.

I'm not concerned with what you or the other 2 Charlotte fans think.