This was a post that I made in the Rowe must go thread a couple of weeks ago. I've updated to include these coaches' current records.

These are the guys I would keep a close eye on an target this year or next if things don't drastically change. Again this will require a $500K level commitment to men's basketball.

These are active low-mid major head coaches who are getting it done in lower conferences with lesser resources

Brian Kennedy NJIT 17-5 (5-2)
Mike Jones Radford 15-6 (7-0)
Kevin Baggett Rider 11-8 (6-1)
Bashir Mason Wagner 9-10 (4-4)
Matt McMahon Murray State 16-3 (7-1)
Dr. Brett Reed Lehigh 13-6 (6-2)
Nathan Davis Bucknell 12-8 (6-2)
Bob Richey Furman 16-5 (5-4)
Danny Kaspar Texas State 17-4 (6-2)- no real connection to the region but it would be ironic for JMU to hire away Tx States basketball coach

Some others to look into that are more of long shots

Keno Davis 14-6 (3-4) is doing well at Central Michigan. He previously coached at Providence and Drake before that. He's from Easton PA originally. Maybe he's in play.

Ryan Odom (UMBC) 13-9 (5-2) makes around $500K so I'm not sure he would move for the JMU job at comparable pay but it's worth a call.

Andy O'Toole 12-9 (7-1) is generally well thought of at Robert Morris. He scores high in advanced metrics. I'm not a huge fan because of the turnstile of transfers and the struggles recently but he's worth investigating as he has a track record and maybe at JMU the kids wouldn't transfer as much.

Wes Miller at 19-3 (8-1) UNCG is someone likely ticketed for a bigger jump and the fact that he once transferred from JMU as a player probably makes it even less likely but again worth investigating.

Ron Hunter 15-6 (6-2) is a coach who has been rumored for a bigger job for a while but he's 54 and has been at Georgia State for a while. He knows the CAA but likely wouldn't make a lateral move conference and salary wise but again worth kicking the tires on.

Rob Senderoff Kent State 15-5 (4-3)- The MAC is a pretty good basketball league and Senderhoff has been there a while. Worth a shot as it worked out well for a CAA team to hire a tenured MAC coach when George Mason hired Larannaga from Bowling Green.

Of the more realistic candidates I like Reed, McMahon, Richey and Davis best. McMahon may be a longer shot because Murray State is a legit mid major hoops program for decades and he really doesn't have ties to the Mid Atlantic region. I'm a big Dr. Brett Reed guy from the last coaching search but he's been at Lehigh a while and is rarely rumored for other jobs so he may be very content there. O' Toole has been rumored to be looking to move in the past but his struggles the last few may have scared some away.

And we used Carr Assosciates for the Keener hire, so strike them off.
Gotta go with the mantra, "Fool me once-shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me"

Of course if you're Bourne & King....it's fool me 3 times. I believe Don Lemish hired Sherm, so he's banned too wherever he is.

So UMBC pays 2x what JMU pays for a coach

Wow

(01-29-2019 06:09 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  So UMBC pays 2x what JMU pays for a coach

Wow

Well when you become the first 16 seed to beat a 1 seed that happens. His salary about doubled just from that game so they could keep him.

I looked at some of the salaries for the candidates that I highlighted- I think based on that here are the guys likely to move up- Kennedy (NJIT), Baggett (Rider), Mason (Wagner), Davis (Bucknell). Kaspar would likely move up for more money- like he did from Abilene Christian to Stephen Austin and Austin to Texas State but he has no connection to the Mid Atlantic so he isn't a good fit.

Of the long shots- maybe O'Toole (although there seems to be mutual loyalty there), Hunter or Senderhoff would be willing to make a change but I believe there would be buyouts that coupled with the salary would represent a big jump for JMU and make these guys not viable. That's why the former coaches/out of work guys may be preferable in that there are no buyouts to deal with.

A few other current successful low/mid major guys to put in the mix:

John Brannen Northern Kentucky - $300 K per year signed through 20-21
Mark Byington Georgia Southern- a Salem VA native. Buyout is only $75K signed through 21-22 at $280K per season.
Casey Alexander Lipscomb
Russell Turner UC Irvine- from Virginia and played at Hampden Sydney- has been out West for a while and reportedly turned down the Mason job a few years ago

(01-29-2019 07:39 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Well when you become the first 16 seed to beat a 1 seed that happens. His salary about doubled just from that game so they could keep him.

Don't bother arguing facts with this one, Dan, but yes, he received a sizable pay bump over the summer to move him into the upper echelon of salaries for smaller conference coaches. He earned $230k per season prior to the historic upset.

Applause out to NJ for the research and inputs on some potential candidates...



If the combination can happen of 1) keeping most of our roster in place (read: avoid major departures, especially by some of our key guys rising to be juniors next year); 2) keeping our November signees coming in next season; and 3) competent head coach that is strong schematically, fundamentals, and keeping guys accountable...joy could once again return relatively quick to JMU MBB. Hopefully a candidate will see 4 rising starters (3 juniors and 1 soph) and some nice pieces to a puzzle coming in as a solid foundation for future and hopefully immediate success.

Until then...



Unfortunately, I think we will be...

(01-28-2019 10:47 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  This was a post that I made in the Rowe must go thread a couple of weeks ago. I've updated to include these coaches' current records.

These are the guys I would keep a close eye on an target this year or next if things don't drastically change. Again this will require a $500K level commitment to men's basketball.

These are active low-mid major head coaches who are getting it done in lower conferences with lesser resources

Brian Kennedy NJIT 17-5 (5-2)
Mike Jones Radford 15-6 (7-0)
Kevin Baggett Rider 11-8 (6-1)
Bashir Mason Wagner 9-10 (4-4)
Matt McMahon Murray State 16-3 (7-1)
Dr. Brett Reed Lehigh 13-6 (6-2)
Nathan Davis Bucknell 12-8 (6-2)
Bob Richey Furman 16-5 (5-4)
Danny Kaspar Texas State 17-4 (6-2)- no real connection to the region but it would be ironic for JMU to hire away Tx States basketball coach

Some others to look into that are more of long shots

Keno Davis 14-6 (3-4) is doing well at Central Michigan. He previously coached at Providence and Drake before that. He's from Easton PA originally. Maybe he's in play.

Ryan Odom (UMBC) 13-9 (5-2) makes around $500K so I'm not sure he would move for the JMU job at comparable pay but it's worth a call.

Andy O'Toole 12-9 (7-1) is generally well thought of at Robert Morris. He scores high in advanced metrics. I'm not a huge fan because of the turnstile of transfers and the struggles recently but he's worth investigating as he has a track record and maybe at JMU the kids wouldn't transfer as much.

Wes Miller at 19-3 (8-1) UNCG is someone likely ticketed for a bigger jump and the fact that he once transferred from JMU as a player probably makes it even less likely but again worth investigating.

Ron Hunter 15-6 (6-2) is a coach who has been rumored for a bigger job for a while but he's 54 and has been at Georgia State for a while. He knows the CAA but likely wouldn't make a lateral move conference and salary wise but again worth kicking the tires on.

Rob Senderoff Kent State 15-5 (4-3)- The MAC is a pretty good basketball league and Senderhoff has been there a while. Worth a shot as it worked out well for a CAA team to hire a tenured MAC coach when George Mason hired Larannaga from Bowling Green.

Of the more realistic candidates I like Reed, McMahon, Richey and Davis best. McMahon may be a longer shot because Murray State is a legit mid major hoops program for decades and he really doesn't have ties to the Mid Atlantic region. I'm a big Dr. Brett Reed guy from the last coaching search but he's been at Lehigh a while and is rarely rumored for other jobs so he may be very content there. O' Toole has been rumored to be looking to move in the past but his struggles the last few may have scared some away.

Best part of all of this? We'll pay a search firm thousands to spend far less time than you did, do less due diligence than you, end up with worse candidates, only to have the admin hire the local paper boy.

(01-29-2019 08:07 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  I looked at some of the salaries for the candidates that I highlighted- I think based on that here are the guys likely to move up- Kennedy (NJIT), Baggett (Rider), Mason (Wagner), Davis (Bucknell). Kaspar would likely move up for more money- like he did from Abilene Christian to Stephen Austin and Austin to Texas State but he has no connection to the Mid Atlantic so he isn't a good fit.

Of the long shots- maybe O'Toole (although there seems to be mutual loyalty there), Hunter or Senderhoff would be willing to make a change but I believe there would be buyouts that coupled with the salary would represent a big jump for JMU and make these guys not viable. That's why the former coaches/out of work guys may be preferable in that there are no buyouts to deal with.

A few other current successful low/mid major guys to put in the mix:

John Brannen Northern Kentucky - $300 K per year signed through 20-21
Mark Byington Georgia Southern- a Salem VA native. Buyout is only $75K signed through 21-22 at $280K per season.
Casey Alexander Lipscomb
Russell Turner UC Irvine- from Virginia and played at Hampden Sydney- has been out West for a while and reportedly turned down the Mason job a few years ago

I went to school with Mark, a few years older than me but I was a freshman when he lead us to the state championship game. Played college ball at UNCW was an assistant at College of Charleston. Good guy, young and energetic and has done a great job at Ga So with limited resources. Would be a great hire and I think you guys could lure him back to VA pretty easily.

(01-29-2019 11:50 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 10:47 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  This was a post that I made in the Rowe must go thread a couple of weeks ago. I've updated to include these coaches' current records.

These are the guys I would keep a close eye on an target this year or next if things don't drastically change. Again this will require a $500K level commitment to men's basketball.

These are active low-mid major head coaches who are getting it done in lower conferences with lesser resources

Brian Kennedy NJIT 17-5 (5-2)
Mike Jones Radford 15-6 (7-0)
Kevin Baggett Rider 11-8 (6-1)
Bashir Mason Wagner 9-10 (4-4)
Matt McMahon Murray State 16-3 (7-1)
Dr. Brett Reed Lehigh 13-6 (6-2)
Nathan Davis Bucknell 12-8 (6-2)
Bob Richey Furman 16-5 (5-4)
Danny Kaspar Texas State 17-4 (6-2)- no real connection to the region but it would be ironic for JMU to hire away Tx States basketball coach

Some others to look into that are more of long shots

Keno Davis 14-6 (3-4) is doing well at Central Michigan. He previously coached at Providence and Drake before that. He's from Easton PA originally. Maybe he's in play.

Ryan Odom (UMBC) 13-9 (5-2) makes around $500K so I'm not sure he would move for the JMU job at comparable pay but it's worth a call.

Andy O'Toole 12-9 (7-1) is generally well thought of at Robert Morris. He scores high in advanced metrics. I'm not a huge fan because of the turnstile of transfers and the struggles recently but he's worth investigating as he has a track record and maybe at JMU the kids wouldn't transfer as much.

Wes Miller at 19-3 (8-1) UNCG is someone likely ticketed for a bigger jump and the fact that he once transferred from JMU as a player probably makes it even less likely but again worth investigating.

Ron Hunter 15-6 (6-2) is a coach who has been rumored for a bigger job for a while but he's 54 and has been at Georgia State for a while. He knows the CAA but likely wouldn't make a lateral move conference and salary wise but again worth kicking the tires on.

Rob Senderoff Kent State 15-5 (4-3)- The MAC is a pretty good basketball league and Senderhoff has been there a while. Worth a shot as it worked out well for a CAA team to hire a tenured MAC coach when George Mason hired Larannaga from Bowling Green.

Of the more realistic candidates I like Reed, McMahon, Richey and Davis best. McMahon may be a longer shot because Murray State is a legit mid major hoops program for decades and he really doesn't have ties to the Mid Atlantic region. I'm a big Dr. Brett Reed guy from the last coaching search but he's been at Lehigh a while and is rarely rumored for other jobs so he may be very content there. O' Toole has been rumored to be looking to move in the past but his struggles the last few may have scared some away.

Best part of all of this? We'll pay a search firm thousands to spend far less time than you did, do less due diligence than you, end up with worse candidates, only to have the admin hire the local paper boy.

There is so much truth to this it's sickening! But in an effort to be a bit more impartial on this subject than I usually am, can't discount the garbage in-garbage out effect. Our parameters (given to the search firm) may have been so narrow, that getting a quality coach just wasn't going to happen.

Haven't read this whole thread, but Steve Forbes, one of the top mid-major coaches, makes $650K at ETSU. Will Wade makes $2.5M at LSU and Smart makes $3.5M at Texas. As I've indicated, Wade has surpassed him and Smart might be on the outs in Austin. Wade has been very successful now at three stops in quick fashion. Forbes, I believe, had been on the JUCO circuit and perhaps at Wichita State before then (have to check that). CofC coach (Earl Clark?) had been at Wichita State too.

Richey at Furman had been an assistant there when the top guy moved on. He perhaps is benefiting from the recruiting prowess of his predecessor.

(01-29-2019 02:05 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Haven't read this whole thread, but Steve Forbes, one of the top mid-major coaches, makes $650K at ETSU. Will Wade makes $2.5M at LSU and Smart makes $3.5M at Texas. As I've indicated, Wade has surpassed him and Smart might be on the outs in Austin. Wade has been very successful now at three stops in quick fashion. Forbes, I believe, had been on the JUCO circuit and perhaps at Wichita State before then (have to check that). CofC coach (Earl Clark?) had been at Wichita State too.

Richey at Furman had been an assistant there when the top guy moved on. He perhaps is benefiting from the recruiting prowess of his predecessor.

I don't know for sure, but is Wade out of hot water with the NCAA or is a cloud still hanging over LSU potentially for future NCAA penalties with regards to the Adidas scandal???

Best part of all of this? We'll pay a search firm thousands to spend far less time than you did, do less due diligence than you, end up with worse candidates, only to have the admin hire the local paper boy.


This is a very big part of why the Villa 7 was started. I don't know if it's still in existence or if JMU was ever part of it. The coaching tree at VCU is/was all related with the Villa 7, starting with (I think) Jeff Capel

"The Villa 7 Consortium is a Nike-produced networking fest that sought to introduce up-and-coming assistant coaches to potential employers. Attendance at Villa 7 is by invitation only, with maximums set at 50 for men’s assistants and 35 for women. An invitation is a vital sign that he or she has reached an elite level of assistant hood, which is (they hope) the last step before landing a head coaching gig. These notes are great knowledge on networking and how to become a better basketball coach." https://www.mensbasketballhoopscoop.com/...ium-notes/

(01-28-2019 10:52 PM)olddawg Wrote:  I believe Don Lemish hired Sherm, so he's banned too wherever he is.

Yes, Lemish was AD when Sherm was hired, but our dear Uncle Ron really made that hire happen. To his credit Carrier admitted (years after the fact) that firing Lefty was a mistake.

The press conference felt tense today. Here are some notes from Mettlen

https://jamesmadison.rivals.com/news/row...st-of-skid

(01-29-2019 08:15 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  The press conference felt tense today. Here are some notes from Mettlen

https://jamesmadison.rivals.com/news/row...st-of-skid

More BS in the article spinning worn-out excuses such as it was going to take time to rebuild after Rowe took the HC job and it’s still a young team. Rowe inherited a program in decent shape, and after 3 years it’s not a young team any longer. Rowe simply can’t coach, end of story. If the press conference was tense and hard it’s only because he’s a Duke and good guy, and the truth is obvious...Rowe hasn’t gotten it done.

(01-29-2019 11:50 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 10:47 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  This was a post that I made in the Rowe must go thread a couple of weeks ago. I've updated to include these coaches' current records.

These are the guys I would keep a close eye on an target this year or next if things don't drastically change. Again this will require a $500K level commitment to men's basketball.

These are active low-mid major head coaches who are getting it done in lower conferences with lesser resources

Brian Kennedy NJIT 17-5 (5-2)
Mike Jones Radford 15-6 (7-0)
Kevin Baggett Rider 11-8 (6-1)
Bashir Mason Wagner 9-10 (4-4)
Matt McMahon Murray State 16-3 (7-1)
Dr. Brett Reed Lehigh 13-6 (6-2)
Nathan Davis Bucknell 12-8 (6-2)
Bob Richey Furman 16-5 (5-4)
Danny Kaspar Texas State 17-4 (6-2)- no real connection to the region but it would be ironic for JMU to hire away Tx States basketball coach

Some others to look into that are more of long shots

Keno Davis 14-6 (3-4) is doing well at Central Michigan. He previously coached at Providence and Drake before that. He's from Easton PA originally. Maybe he's in play.

Ryan Odom (UMBC) 13-9 (5-2) makes around $500K so I'm not sure he would move for the JMU job at comparable pay but it's worth a call.

Andy O'Toole 12-9 (7-1) is generally well thought of at Robert Morris. He scores high in advanced metrics. I'm not a huge fan because of the turnstile of transfers and the struggles recently but he's worth investigating as he has a track record and maybe at JMU the kids wouldn't transfer as much.

Wes Miller at 19-3 (8-1) UNCG is someone likely ticketed for a bigger jump and the fact that he once transferred from JMU as a player probably makes it even less likely but again worth investigating.

Ron Hunter 15-6 (6-2) is a coach who has been rumored for a bigger job for a while but he's 54 and has been at Georgia State for a while. He knows the CAA but likely wouldn't make a lateral move conference and salary wise but again worth kicking the tires on.

Rob Senderoff Kent State 15-5 (4-3)- The MAC is a pretty good basketball league and Senderhoff has been there a while. Worth a shot as it worked out well for a CAA team to hire a tenured MAC coach when George Mason hired Larannaga from Bowling Green.

Of the more realistic candidates I like Reed, McMahon, Richey and Davis best. McMahon may be a longer shot because Murray State is a legit mid major hoops program for decades and he really doesn't have ties to the Mid Atlantic region. I'm a big Dr. Brett Reed guy from the last coaching search but he's been at Lehigh a while and is rarely rumored for other jobs so he may be very content there. O' Toole has been rumored to be looking to move in the past but his struggles the last few may have scared some away.

Best part of all of this? We'll pay a search firm thousands to spend far less time than you did, do less due diligence than you, end up with worse candidates, only to have the admin hire the local paper boy.

This is the admin's "cautious approach"

Ex coaches/administrators carve out a niche as "consultants" the same way ex higher ups do in other industries. They serve a need of providing schools with the appropriate level of "due diligence" from a third party. It shows that the school has gone through a process, checked the boxes, etc. and it provides them with some cover. It's all about CYA.

When you have been a good program you have a coaching tree to pick from (like a VCU for example). JMU unfortunately hasn't been and doesn't so they are at a disadvantage. That said, it really all comes down to salary and commitment. If you are only willing to spend $200-$300K for a men's head basketball coach you are not going to attract established coaches from low/mid major programs. JMU can say they are paying market rate for a mid major coach and they aren't wrong in saying that but to attract a successful mid major coach you have to pay higher than that and more in line with the upper echelon of mid major programs (not counting American, A-10, Mountain West, etc. here because they pay at an even higher level than that).

JMU absolutely needs to pay their head coach at or above their football coach. They spend over $1M on their football assistant coaches- the staff for hoops is a lot smaller. Spend the money- $500K to attract a good coach. This is a commensurate salary for a JMU in terms of size, league, and arena size- this isn't some small liberal arts school with a small athletics budget. They saved some money the last few years and also realized some money in via the Withers and Houston buyouts. Allocate the savings and those funds to go get a legitimate coach to move to JMU. You make that financial commitment and magically the pool of candidates even through a "consultant" will open up.

I agree with NJ in that the market of coaches does not believe it can win at JMU given the schools history of losing. The only way to attract a solid head coach who has a history of winning is going to be salary. It is a simple risk vs reward proposition.

Lou had nothing to lose taking the JMU job. It improved his resume. JMU assumed all the risk with the hire. Part of JMUs problem was a lack of quality candidates led to having to take a calculated risk on a long time assistant. After Brady and Matthews, the administration was weary of dealing with character issues and coaches that were hard to manage. With Lou, they knew they would not have any of those plus he was a proven recruiter. Three years into Lou’s tenure he remains a quality guy who has recruited fairly well. The wins are not coming and we fans don’t see progress.

If the administration ends Lou’s tenure prematurely, I will be beside myself if they go the unproven assistant coach route again. I understand the reasons for each hire and I am not going to criticize an administration that runs their athletics as well as JMU does. They need to use a different formula this time. History has taught them that.

the proof is in the performance or lack there on the court. Delaware, Drexel hired coaches same time as us and are ahead of us at this point. I m rooting hard for this to work, but he did not take over a losing program. So enough of the it takes time bs