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Speaking of JMU ties, Keener and Thurston had them, in addition to Rowe and Dillard. All failed.
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(01-25-2019 03:22 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Speaking of JMU ties, Keener and Thurston had them, in addition to Rowe and Dillard. All failed.

Don't forget this one. [Image: 712-V71701-SEAL-Purple?$TopCatProducts$]

Houston and Matthews did not.

Perhaps knowing someone and being friends with them does not guarantee success. 03-idea
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(01-25-2019 10:36 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Miller is making $301k per year as base salary, but I can't find any information about a buyout. He's really turned that program around after finishing in the bottom half of the league four of his first five years. They were first in conference standings the last two years and are first now. But if he is interested in Wake Forest, he may not have to wait long. Danny Manning is in his fifth year and the team is in 15th (read: last) place. If Wes wants the job, I'm sure WF will listen.

Yes, let's not forget that Wes struggled over his first few years, although I seem to recall he was good in the first partial year. He was not an instant success in any event over the first 5-year period. Other good mid-major coaches on the radar are the coaches at Wofford and ETSU. Also, the Furman coach broke into the top 25 earlier this season. I'm sure there are many good candidates, working in various capacities throughout America. We need a coach that first and foremost understands X's and O's at a very high level, is honest and can recruit at a high level and relate to players, other coaches and the community at large.

A lot of fuss was made over Shaka Smart a few years ago, but it seems like his underling Will Wade has surpassed him at this point. His LSU team sure looks pretty exciting in the nightly highlights while Smart is on the hot seat already, while his predecessor has the no. 1 team in the country.

JMU in hiring Dillard and Rowe looked too strongly at the JMU connection. High Level competence as demonstrated by prior success has to be the no. 1 criterion.

Rowe is Dillard 2.0
They both make Matt Brady look like Dean Smith.
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(01-25-2019 03:46 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 02:56 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 10:36 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Miller is making $301k per year as base salary, but I can't find any information about a buyout. He's really turned that program around after finishing in the bottom half of the league four of his first five years. They were first in conference standings the last two years and are first now. But if he is interested in Wake Forest, he may not have to wait long. Danny Manning is in his fifth year and the team is in 15th (read: last) place. If Wes wants the job, I'm sure WF will listen.

Yes, let's not forget that Wes struggled over his first few years, although I seem to recall he was good in the first partial year. He was not an instant success in any event over the first 5-year period. Other good mid-major coaches on the radar are the coaches at Wofford and ETSU. Also, the Furman coach broke into the top 25 earlier this season. I'm sure there are many good candidates, working in various capacities throughout America. We need a coach that first and foremost understands X's and O's at a very high level, is honest and can recruit at a high level and relate to players, other coaches and the community at large.

A lot of fuss was made over Shaka Smart a few years ago, but it seems like his underling Will Wade has surpassed him at this point. His LSU team sure looks pretty exciting in the nightly highlights while Smart is on the hot seat already, while his predecessor has the no. 1 team in the country.

JMU in hiring Dillard and Rowe looked too strongly at the JMU connection. High Level competence as demonstrated by prior success has to be the no. 1 criterion.

Rowe is Dillard 2.0
They both make Matt Brady look like Dean Smith.


He might be Dillard 2.0, but Dillard's resume was far superior to Rowe's. Not that Dillard had a long resume, but did show some head coaching success. The biggest issue with the Dillard hire was that it was replacing Lefty. Also Lefty had just restocked the program with young talent. Also the biggest issue with the Dillard era and it was too long, as was Brady's.
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I heard Johnny Napp would be our next head coach. Book it.
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(01-25-2019 04:21 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  I heard Johnny Napp would be our next head coach. Book it.

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(01-25-2019 04:11 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 03:46 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 02:56 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 10:36 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Miller is making $301k per year as base salary, but I can't find any information about a buyout. He's really turned that program around after finishing in the bottom half of the league four of his first five years. They were first in conference standings the last two years and are first now. But if he is interested in Wake Forest, he may not have to wait long. Danny Manning is in his fifth year and the team is in 15th (read: last) place. If Wes wants the job, I'm sure WF will listen.

Yes, let's not forget that Wes struggled over his first few years, although I seem to recall he was good in the first partial year. He was not an instant success in any event over the first 5-year period. Other good mid-major coaches on the radar are the coaches at Wofford and ETSU. Also, the Furman coach broke into the top 25 earlier this season. I'm sure there are many good candidates, working in various capacities throughout America. We need a coach that first and foremost understands X's and O's at a very high level, is honest and can recruit at a high level and relate to players, other coaches and the community at large.

A lot of fuss was made over Shaka Smart a few years ago, but it seems like his underling Will Wade has surpassed him at this point. His LSU team sure looks pretty exciting in the nightly highlights while Smart is on the hot seat already, while his predecessor has the no. 1 team in the country.

JMU in hiring Dillard and Rowe looked too strongly at the JMU connection. High Level competence as demonstrated by prior success has to be the no. 1 criterion.

Rowe is Dillard 2.0
They both make Matt Brady look like Dean Smith.


He might be Dillard 2.0, but Dillard's resume was far superior to Rowe's. Not that Dillard had a long resume, but did show some head coaching success. The biggest issue with the Dillard hire was that it was replacing Lefty. Also Lefty had just restocked the program with young talent. Also the biggest issue with the Dillard era and it was too long, as was Brady's.

Your definition of "success" is much different than mine. Dillard's "successful" record at Indiana State was 7-19, 10-16 and 12-16. He was totally unqualified for the job at JMU and it showed.
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Will Ferrell movies: not usually the deepest or most insightful
Semi-pro (about the ABA): Not one of the better ones

BUT, this quote: "How about this- I'll be the offensive and defensive coordinator...and you can still be head coach."

I feel like it pertains.
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Patrick Beilein for next coach. Good family heritage, vast experience at all levels, and winning head coach albeit at DII level. This would probably be “in budget” and give us someone who has the experience in running a program.

https://lemoynedolphins.com/coaches.aspx...ath=mbball
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not sure about younger Beilein. Was rumored for Siena and Marist jobs and turned down both. Has great family ties, but not sure hes the guy.
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While I don't see a change being made in the offseason short of Lou Rowe resigning for the benefit of the program, we as fans need to let our opinions be known by sending Jeff Bourne emails like some of us did in the latter days of the Mickey regime that change is needed. I suffered thru the John Thurston years even though the 1986-87 year wasn't all that bad. My wife on the other hand got to experience the Lefty years.
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(01-25-2019 10:10 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 04:11 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 03:46 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 02:56 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  
(01-25-2019 10:36 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Miller is making $301k per year as base salary, but I can't find any information about a buyout. He's really turned that program around after finishing in the bottom half of the league four of his first five years. They were first in conference standings the last two years and are first now. But if he is interested in Wake Forest, he may not have to wait long. Danny Manning is in his fifth year and the team is in 15th (read: last) place. If Wes wants the job, I'm sure WF will listen.

Yes, let's not forget that Wes struggled over his first few years, although I seem to recall he was good in the first partial year. He was not an instant success in any event over the first 5-year period. Other good mid-major coaches on the radar are the coaches at Wofford and ETSU. Also, the Furman coach broke into the top 25 earlier this season. I'm sure there are many good candidates, working in various capacities throughout America. We need a coach that first and foremost understands X's and O's at a very high level, is honest and can recruit at a high level and relate to players, other coaches and the community at large.

A lot of fuss was made over Shaka Smart a few years ago, but it seems like his underling Will Wade has surpassed him at this point. His LSU team sure looks pretty exciting in the nightly highlights while Smart is on the hot seat already, while his predecessor has the no. 1 team in the country.

JMU in hiring Dillard and Rowe looked too strongly at the JMU connection. High Level competence as demonstrated by prior success has to be the no. 1 criterion.

Rowe is Dillard 2.0
They both make Matt Brady look like Dean Smith.


He might be Dillard 2.0, but Dillard's resume was far superior to Rowe's. Not that Dillard had a long resume, but did show some head coaching success. The biggest issue with the Dillard hire was that it was replacing Lefty. Also Lefty had just restocked the program with young talent. Also the biggest issue with the Dillard era and it was too long, as was Brady's.

Your definition of "success" is much different than mine. Dillard's "successful" record at Indiana State was 7-19, 10-16 and 12-16. He was totally unqualified for the job at JMU and it showed.

This I exactly how I felt about the Sherm hire. Had he not had that head coaching stint, I "may" have been on board with the hire. He had a great resume as an assistant. But we did have a 3 year record of him as a head coach and that was NOT impressive. Had he not been a JMU alum, he wouldn't have gotten a 2nd look.

At that time period, we were just off the Lefty era and had made a run to the CAA finals. We still drew well and had some leftover clout as a regional name. We "should" have been able to do much better for a coach. I'm begging the admin, Board and any selection committee members, please do a legitimate national search. And for the love of god, ditch the "hire someone with a JMU connection" mentality. For that matter, anyone involved w/ the last 4 mens basketball hires should recuse themselves from the next search if they have an ounce of honesty in their self appraisal in that area.
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With each loss this season, it is looking more and more like Chris Mooney will be fired after the season at UofR. As much as I dislike the Spiders, I think he is a good coach who has had bad luck with injuries the past couple seasons. He makes roughly 1.2M at UR. He actually owns their school record with wins. He is under contract for a few more seasons, but UR fans expect/hope that he will be gone. Certainly a step up from our last several coaches. Mooney may have to take a 30-50% pay cut though.

Not JMU coaching candidates, but two other ex-VA coaches are firmly on the hot seat too—- Shaka Smart and Larranaga. Shaka makes 3.1M in Texas— more than Bennett at UVA. Shaka would be an amazing get but is way way way above our level... will be interesting to see where he goes if Texas fires him in the next couple seasons. There is a growing list of vcu coaches who can’t survive the jump to major conferences.

This next basketball coaching hire may be the last for King and Bourne before they retire.
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JB and CK have proven they are incapable or hiring a good basketball coach. They need to let a search firm oversee the hire.
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This may be taboo but if you are going to let Rowe go (i.e. JMU goes on a prolonged losing streak now) after the season does it make sense to let him go during the season? The outcome will pretty much already be known and it does a few things- -you appoint Taylor as interim for the remainder of the season which maybe helps retain some players going into the off season, and it gives JMU a jump start on the hiring process- (identifying candidates, checking all the boxes that are required with consulting firms, etc.) so that you can make a hire as soon as the season ends and again not lose momentum with recruits or players in the program.
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(01-27-2019 01:51 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  This may be taboo but if you are going to let Rowe go (i.e. JMU goes on a prolonged losing streak now) after the season does it make sense to let him go during the season? The outcome will pretty much already be known and it does a few things- -you appoint Taylor as interim for the remainder of the season which maybe helps retain some players going into the off season, and it gives JMU a jump start on the hiring process- (identifying candidates, checking all the boxes that are required with consulting firms, etc.) so that you can make a hire as soon as the season ends and again not lose momentum with recruits or players in the program.

I don't think JMU will let Lou go before the end of the season. If he was a jackice or whining to the media or embarrassing the university in some way, then absolutely he would be a strong candidate to be shown the door. This is a lost season...yet again unfortunately.

Lou deserved better respect from some fans his first two years (not directed at you, NJ!), but in his 3rd year the honeymoon period is beyond over. I doubt I'm alone when I say putting the W-L record aside, if the team had just shown some decent improvement this season with marginal W-L improvement over the first 2 years, I think fans would be more supportive and Lou might get a 4th year. He still might. I see nothing which would make me feel we are improving nor go on any kind of winning streak over the remainder of the schedule. Really sad, but he had his chance and has been paid handsomely for it. I think there is a 50-50 chance he gets canned at the end of the season. Unless something very unexpected happens like a personality meltdown, I think the chances he is fired before season end is near zero.

Just one idiot's opinion of course... *SIGH*
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(01-27-2019 02:04 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  
(01-27-2019 01:51 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  This may be taboo but if you are going to let Rowe go (i.e. JMU goes on a prolonged losing streak now) after the season does it make sense to let him go during the season? The outcome will pretty much already be known and it does a few things- -you appoint Taylor as interim for the remainder of the season which maybe helps retain some players going into the off season, and it gives JMU a jump start on the hiring process- (identifying candidates, checking all the boxes that are required with consulting firms, etc.) so that you can make a hire as soon as the season ends and again not lose momentum with recruits or players in the program.

I don't think JMU will let Lou go before the end of the season. If he was a jackice or whining to the media or embarrassing the university in some way, then absolutely he would be a strong candidate to be shown the door. This is a lost season...yet again unfortunately.

Lou deserved better respect from some fans his first two years (not directed at you, NJ!), but in his 3rd year the honeymoon period is beyond over. I doubt I'm alone when I say putting the W-L record aside, if the team had just shown some decent improvement this season with marginal W-L improvement over the first 2 years, I think fans would be more supportive and Lou might get a 4th year. He still might. I see nothing which would make me feel we are improving nor go on any kind of winning streak over the remainder of the schedule. Really sad, but he had his chance and has been paid handsomely for it. I think there is a 50-50 chance he gets canned at the end of the season. Unless something very unexpected happens like a personality meltdown, I think the chances he is fired before season end is near zero.

Just one idiot's opinion of course... *SIGH*

I tend to agree and I still think he'll probably be back for year 4. I'm just saying that if this really gets out of hand- such that in his 3rd season his team actually takes a step back from the first 2 (which is saying something) and the admin is forced to make a change I think there is something to be said for doing it very early. It is crucial that JMU get the next hire right and in a big way and do so without setting us back further.

As folks know I have been a Lou supporter- the last couple of games albeit against some of the better of the teams in the conference- I've seen players hanging their heads, etc. - I think it's only expected that the losing is starting to get to some of these guys and Rowe himself and really they haven't been competitive save a little comeback yesterday for the last 70 minutes (last 30 minutes at Drexel, Hofstra and Northeastern). Maybe a road trip can turn things but I could see this getting out of hand with a prolonged losing streak.
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Yep. We are 2-9 in our last 11. 5 of our next 7 are on the road (where we are 0-4 vs CAA). Doesn't look good at all. Continued losing streak looks very probable. Side note, we were 2-7 after 9 CAA games a season ago.
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(01-27-2019 02:11 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
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(01-27-2019 01:51 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  This may be taboo but if you are going to let Rowe go (i.e. JMU goes on a prolonged losing streak now) after the season does it make sense to let him go during the season? The outcome will pretty much already be known and it does a few things- -you appoint Taylor as interim for the remainder of the season which maybe helps retain some players going into the off season, and it gives JMU a jump start on the hiring process- (identifying candidates, checking all the boxes that are required with consulting firms, etc.) so that you can make a hire as soon as the season ends and again not lose momentum with recruits or players in the program.

I don't think JMU will let Lou go before the end of the season. If he was a jackice or whining to the media or embarrassing the university in some way, then absolutely he would be a strong candidate to be shown the door. This is a lost season...yet again unfortunately.

Lou deserved better respect from some fans his first two years (not directed at you, NJ!), but in his 3rd year the honeymoon period is beyond over. I doubt I'm alone when I say putting the W-L record aside, if the team had just shown some decent improvement this season with marginal W-L improvement over the first 2 years, I think fans would be more supportive and Lou might get a 4th year. He still might. I see nothing which would make me feel we are improving nor go on any kind of winning streak over the remainder of the schedule. Really sad, but he had his chance and has been paid handsomely for it. I think there is a 50-50 chance he gets canned at the end of the season. Unless something very unexpected happens like a personality meltdown, I think the chances he is fired before season end is near zero.

Just one idiot's opinion of course... *SIGH*

I tend to agree and I still think he'll probably be back for year 4. I'm just saying that if this really gets out of hand- such that in his 3rd season his team actually takes a step back from the first 2 (which is saying something) and the admin is forced to make a change I think there is something to be said for doing it very early. It is crucial that JMU get the next hire right and in a big way and do so without setting us back further.

As folks know I have been a Lou supporter- the last couple of games albeit against some of the better of the teams in the conference- I've seen players hanging their heads, etc. - I think it's only expected that the losing is starting to get to some of these guys and Rowe himself and really they haven't been competitive save a little comeback yesterday for the last 70 minutes (last 30 minutes at Drexel, Hofstra and Northeastern). Maybe a road trip can turn things but I could see this getting out of hand with a prolonged losing streak.

I supported Rowe the first couple years when some folks were still crying over missing Brady, but it's clear that this team isn't improving and he's run out of excuses. The fact is his recruiting hasn't been that good. He's struck out on the JUCO players and with this year's class except for Parker. And as others have pointed out, anyone who knows basketball can see he has no feel for the game as a coach and doesn't appear to have taught these kids much of anything. I'd give him a chance to win four in a row in March. All will be forgiven if he does that.
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I was stunned at how bad we looked at Fordham. Granted they are an A10 team, but a bottom feeder. 30 point blow out loss really opened my eyes. btw Fordham has lost 8 in a row since including a loss to LIU of the NEC. wow
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