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(12-30-2018 11:18 PM)MemDawg91 Wrote:  
(12-30-2018 01:28 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I really think the title game will be an epic battle.

Clemson has looked a lot better since Trevor Lawrence took over.

Was also glad to see Florida take it to Michigan today. Ten wins for Dan Mullen in year one, I think his performance has been underrated. The biggest problem Mullen had at Mississippi State is you just can't consistently get elite talent in there. He will not have that problem in Gainesville if he pushes the right buttons.

Mullen’s biggest issue at State was not the talent. It was him getting in his own way with his assistants and such. Looks like he’s done less of that with Grantham and it is definitely showing positive results both last year and this year. He’ll do just fine at Florida.
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I'm sitting here watching A&M after watching Missouri throw away a gift and am floored that the Aggies go for it on 4th and less than 1 with the Jumbo package in the game and can't pick up a yard! It's double stupid to hand the ball off 7 yards deep when you are trying to get 1 damned yard! What has happened to football IQ? It's the same garbage Missouri ran at the end of the game only Mizzou handed it off 4 yards deep.
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Bowl W/Ls I tend to view more in terms of individual schools matchups rather than a general statement about a conference. Schools in bowls with 7-5, 6-6 or so records matched with schools with similar mediocre records, expect the unexpected to be a real possibility. Motivation becomes a real factor.

Most of the bowl games have been entertaining so far this post-season. A few have been one-sided duds.

Players that refuse to play in bowl games, due to NFL prospects, is an irritant to me. Nobody wants to take injury risks, but these guys get full scholarships+, and their early departures can result in their teams' loses. The timing of the NFL draft is way too close to bowl season.
Yet, some of them elect to play instead in the Senior Bowl to further impress NFL scouts. With those, the "avoid injuries" argument falls hollow.
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Very happy that Mond overcame his first quarter jitters and that the A&M ground game is wearing the Wolfpack down in a very big way in the 4th Quarter.

Right now the SEC bowl season has seen 3 losses from the East, 3 wins from the West, and a win by Florida. If L.S.U. wins tomorrow the East can redeem the post season with Wins by Georgia and Kentucky.
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(12-31-2018 08:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I'm sitting here watching A&M after watching Missouri throw away a gift and am floored that the Aggies go for it on 4th and less than 1 with the Jumbo package in the game and can't pick up a yard! It's double stupid to hand the ball off 7 yards deep when you are trying to get 1 damned yard! What has happened to football IQ? It's the same garbage Missouri ran at the end of the game only Mizzou handed it off 4 yards deep.

Missouri also failed earlier on 3rd and one, them botched the FG. With that FG we could have just kicked the game winner at the end of the game. One would think the Lock would have the insight to step out of an ankle tackle. That looked pitiful. I have been a bit worried about OSU. They match up well against us.
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(01-01-2019 12:55 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(12-31-2018 08:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I'm sitting here watching A&M after watching Missouri throw away a gift and am floored that the Aggies go for it on 4th and less than 1 with the Jumbo package in the game and can't pick up a yard! It's double stupid to hand the ball off 7 yards deep when you are trying to get 1 damned yard! What has happened to football IQ? It's the same garbage Missouri ran at the end of the game only Mizzou handed it off 4 yards deep.

Missouri also failed earlier on 3rd and one, them botched the FG. With that FG we could have just kicked the game winner at the end of the game. One would think the Lock would have the insight to step out of an ankle tackle. That looked pitiful. I have been a bit worried about OSU. They match up well against us.

Other than the brain fart that was the 3rd quarter Missouri pretty much did what they wanted. The loss was a matter of keeping concentration and you were easily 14 points better if you just play even on turnovers and botched opportunities. IMO it was lost on 3rd & 1 with a horrid play call. That's the down to go with the RPO to the wide side. With the receiver pulling the linebacker off and the RB there to block they could easily have picked up the first down. When they blew third down I knew that OSU would jam the line on 3rd & 1. So a short pass would have been in order. IMO the play calling at the end cost you the game.
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Miss State playing like they have hangovers in the first half.
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Congratulations to Kentucky and Mark Stoops! What an incredible year! Penn State is a top scalp for your resume'.

I'm Glad that Coach O's Tigers held on for a sloppy win in a really chippy game.

Miss State? WTH, if one pass is caught cleanly this game goes the other way. Still it may be just me but of all the games I've watched this bowl season this one had the most obvious and ridiculous referee bias of any. An MSU player brings his hand across his chest and gets 15 yards for a throat slash? Iowa held all day long and no calls. But 71 for Miss State gets called for two phantom drive killing calls, an offensive face mask which was nothing more than the brush of a hand during a rush, and a hold which wasn't there at all.

I was ticked enough at the happenings that I switched over to watch Kentucky.
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(01-01-2019 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Congratulations to Kentucky and Mark Stoops! What an incredible year! Penn State is a top scalp for your resume'.

I'm Glad that Coach O's Tigers held on for a sloppy win in a really chippy game.

Miss State? WTH, if one pass is caught cleanly this game goes the other way. Still it may be just me but of all the games I've watched this bowl season this one had the most obvious and ridiculous referee bias of any. An MSU player brings his hand across his chest and gets 15 yards for a throat slash? Iowa held all day long and no calls. But 71 for Miss State gets called for two phantom drive killing calls, an offensive face mask which was nothing more than the brush of a hand during a rush, and a hold which wasn't there at all.

I was ticked enough at the happenings that I switched over to watch Kentucky.

Besides the officiating, our play calling has been awful all year. I get that we have a good running QB but every play called should not be a QB run. We had the pieces on the field to win that game but kept going back to the same two or three plays.
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(01-01-2019 05:50 PM)MemDawg91 Wrote:  
(01-01-2019 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Congratulations to Kentucky and Mark Stoops! What an incredible year! Penn State is a top scalp for your resume'.

I'm Glad that Coach O's Tigers held on for a sloppy win in a really chippy game.

Miss State? WTH, if one pass is caught cleanly this game goes the other way. Still it may be just me but of all the games I've watched this bowl season this one had the most obvious and ridiculous referee bias of any. An MSU player brings his hand across his chest and gets 15 yards for a throat slash? Iowa held all day long and no calls. But 71 for Miss State gets called for two phantom drive killing calls, an offensive face mask which was nothing more than the brush of a hand during a rush, and a hold which wasn't there at all.

I was ticked enough at the happenings that I switched over to watch Kentucky.

Besides the officiating, our play calling has been awful all year. I get that we have a good running QB but every play called should not be a QB run. We had the pieces on the field to win that game but kept going back to the same two or three plays.

You were clearly the most physical team on the field. I agree about the play selection. No calls were as bad as the phantom calls. I saw Iowa linemen with their hands under the armpits of State pass rushers bear hugging them all day long with no flags. I saw arms twisted behind the backs of rushers who tried to roll out when the play moved away from the center. No calls. Not 1 penalty on Iowa all day long in a physical game. IMO it was an old fashioned job because most of the big plays for State were called back after the pass was released and received.
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(01-01-2019 06:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-01-2019 05:50 PM)MemDawg91 Wrote:  
(01-01-2019 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Congratulations to Kentucky and Mark Stoops! What an incredible year! Penn State is a top scalp for your resume'.

I'm Glad that Coach O's Tigers held on for a sloppy win in a really chippy game.

Miss State? WTH, if one pass is caught cleanly this game goes the other way. Still it may be just me but of all the games I've watched this bowl season this one had the most obvious and ridiculous referee bias of any. An MSU player brings his hand across his chest and gets 15 yards for a throat slash? Iowa held all day long and no calls. But 71 for Miss State gets called for two phantom drive killing calls, an offensive face mask which was nothing more than the brush of a hand during a rush, and a hold which wasn't there at all.

I was ticked enough at the happenings that I switched over to watch Kentucky.

Besides the officiating, our play calling has been awful all year. I get that we have a good running QB but every play called should not be a QB run. We had the pieces on the field to win that game but kept going back to the same two or three plays.

You were clearly the most physical team on the field. I agree about the play selection. No calls were as bad as the phantom calls. I saw Iowa linemen with their hands under the armpits of State pass rushers bear hugging them all day long with no flags. I saw arms twisted behind the backs of rushers who tried to roll out when the play moved away from the center. No calls. Not 1 penalty on Iowa all day long in a physical game. IMO it was an old fashioned job because most of the big plays for State were called back after the pass was released and received.

This year it was PAC12 officiating assigned for the Outback Bowl. Last year, the ACC officiated the bowl.

Agree, the Outback Bowl officiating was bad today.

Here is a list of which conference referees were assigned to officiate each bowl.

http://refereestats.proboards.com/thread...ssignments
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Not believing what is happening in the Sugar Bowl tonight. I thought this would be laughable for Georgia. I could have bet my house on this game. Good thing I didn't.
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(01-01-2019 11:20 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Not believing what is happening in the Sugar Bowl tonight. I thought this would be laughable for Georgia. I could have bet my house on this game. Good thing I didn't.

I haven't followed the betting lines this year very closely, but it appears that the dogs against the spreads have done well. The problem is we never see the closing lines. That's the one that tells the house which side has the heavy money riding on them. In the NFL the house wins 85% of the time against the closing spread.

College Football at the level of interest it now has is going to be extremely susceptible to outside influences possibly interfering with the games moving forward. That element has always been present in college sports, but not nearly near the levels of pro sports.

Once you start paying players and the schools just get addicted to the TV money the vulnerability to this will only grow exponentially.
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SEC Winners:
East: Florida, Kentucky
West: Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Texas A&M

SEC Losers:
East: Georgia, Missouri, South Carolina, Vanderbilt
West: Mississippi State

SEC VS:
B1G 3-1
B12 1-3
ACC 1-1
AAC 1-0
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(12-29-2018 04:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I said a couple a years ago that I didn't think Muschamp would pan out. I still don't. He's a solid DC but doesn't have the management skills to succeed as the head guy. I think Carolina would be wise to be looking around. This loss sucked all of the momentum out of recruiting and with Tennessee and Florida on the mend and Clemson staying strong it just doesn't look good for USC with a dominant Georgia in their division as well. Heck even Kentucky could bump them down yet another notch. Right now the only claim they can make is that they would finish ahead of Vandy most years and that's not a given anymore.

It certainly could happen, but I think the 2018 and 2019 classes have been pretty drastic improvements from 2014-2017. Recruiting and team talent are trending up. Maybe the bowl loss will hurt with the 2020 class, but too soon to say.

It ultimately may not work out but organizationally and talent wise Muschamp will leave the program light years ahead of where it was in 2015.
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(01-02-2019 09:02 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-29-2018 04:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I said a couple a years ago that I didn't think Muschamp would pan out. I still don't. He's a solid DC but doesn't have the management skills to succeed as the head guy. I think Carolina would be wise to be looking around. This loss sucked all of the momentum out of recruiting and with Tennessee and Florida on the mend and Clemson staying strong it just doesn't look good for USC with a dominant Georgia in their division as well. Heck even Kentucky could bump them down yet another notch. Right now the only claim they can make is that they would finish ahead of Vandy most years and that's not a given anymore.

It certainly could happen, but I think the 2018 and 2019 classes have been pretty drastic improvements from 2014-2017. Recruiting and team talent are trending up. Maybe the bowl loss will hurt with the 2020 class, but too soon to say.

It ultimately may not work out but organizationally and talent wise Muschamp will leave the program light years ahead of where it was in 2015.

Spurrier probably should have retired a year or two earlier than he did, but replacing a great coach who is old is problem for every school. South Carolina needs a better top guy. It's too good of a fan base not to be able to find that guy.
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(01-02-2019 09:02 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-29-2018 04:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I said a couple a years ago that I didn't think Muschamp would pan out. I still don't. He's a solid DC but doesn't have the management skills to succeed as the head guy. I think Carolina would be wise to be looking around. This loss sucked all of the momentum out of recruiting and with Tennessee and Florida on the mend and Clemson staying strong it just doesn't look good for USC with a dominant Georgia in their division as well. Heck even Kentucky could bump them down yet another notch. Right now the only claim they can make is that they would finish ahead of Vandy most years and that's not a given anymore.

It certainly could happen, but I think the 2018 and 2019 classes have been pretty drastic improvements from 2014-2017. Recruiting and team talent are trending up. Maybe the bowl loss will hurt with the 2020 class, but too soon to say.

It ultimately may not work out but organizationally and talent wise Muschamp will leave the program light years ahead of where it was in 2015.

Spurrier probably should have retired a year or two earlier than he did, but replacing a great coach who is old is problem for every school. South Carolina needs a better top guy. It's too good of a fan base not to be able to find that guy.

2019 is certainly an important year for him. Defense should be significantly better with decent health. Offense returns everyone of consequence minus Deebo and 2 OL. Second year OC

The schedule is tough but I think an 8-4 type of season is realistic and attainable.

I’ve said from the start that even if it didn’t work out Muschamp would set the table perfectly for the next guy to come in and win right away, so overall I am still optimistic
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Deebo Samuel not being available for the Belk Bowl hurt, but should not be an acceptable excuse for South Carolina being so dominated and shut-out by Virginia. That noted, Virginia had other impressive moments during the season. Much of it was early. Mendenhall's success at UVA, looks faster, deeper, and more thorough compared to the pace shown by Muschamp. And UVA had the greater challenges.

Certainly Muschamp has worked diligently to recruit in overcoming the last couple years of Spurrier-era laziness.
And he has improved organizational stability.
I am not so confident game prep efforts and positive consistency have been achieved to a desirable level...yet.
Muschamp needs to show this next season he has not hit his ceiling in developing a program. That schedule will make it tough.
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(01-03-2019 03:26 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Deebo Samuel not being available for the Belk Bowl hurt, but should not be an acceptable excuse for South Carolina being so dominated and shut-out by Virginia. That noted, Virginia had other impressive moments during the season. Much of it was early. Mendenhall's success at UVA, looks faster, deeper, and more thorough compared to the pace shown by Muschamp. And UVA had the greater challenges.

Certainly Muschamp has worked diligently to recruit in overcoming the last couple years of Spurrier-era laziness.
And he has improved organizational stability.
I am not so confident game prep efforts and positive consistency have been achieved to a desirable level...yet.
Muschamp needs to show this next season he has not hit his ceiling in developing a program. That schedule will make it tough.

Mendenhall has done a fine job but I wouldn't say UVA had the greater challenges by any stretch.

SC had one of the worst rosters in America going into the 2016 season and has to play an SEC schedule every year plus Clemson. UVA doesn't have to deal with any of that.

As far as SC and going forward, I agree. Realistically, SC needs to keep beating the teams we are beating currently and start beating UK annually as well. Split one of A&M/UF every year and start being competitive and pull an occasional upset against UGA, Clemson, and Alabama/LSU. That puts you at about 8-9 wins per year and I think most fans would be quite happy with that.
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