(12-20-2018 09:39 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I observed Mississippi State is now on the Carnegie Doctoral R1 (highest research activity) list as well. All SEC members are now on the R1 list.

The SEC schools have hit an important milestone. Gradually we will see a shift in the AAU status that matches the industry and growth of the South. Hail State!

(12-20-2018 09:39 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I observed Mississippi State is now on the Carnegie Doctoral R1 (highest research activity) list as well. All SEC members are now on the R1 list.

Good work team.

Another minor/academic note, but I noticed SC hit 34,000 in enrollment this year, which seems insane to me. It was at about 27-28,000 when I graduated in 2012. There about 1,000 beds in new dorms being built in the next year too.

If they keep up that level of growth I'd guess they hit 50,000 within 20 years.

(12-21-2018 09:22 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Another minor/academic note, but I noticed SC hit 34,000 in enrollment this year, which seems insane to me. It was at about 27-28,000 when I graduated in 2012. There about 1,000 beds in new dorms being built in the next year too.

If they keep up that level of growth I'd guess they hit 50,000 within 20 years.

It's happening at most major state universities and is a visible sign of a very non public stance. Most states plan to downsize smaller state schools and grow their larger ones. It's more economical. Some of the mid size state schools will essentially be tasked with preparing education majors and job skills needed within the state. Research will be funneled into the larger state schools, where it has'nt already happened. It's actually part of a downsizing in higher ed that is on its way.

(12-21-2018 01:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 09:22 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Another minor/academic note, but I noticed SC hit 34,000 in enrollment this year, which seems insane to me. It was at about 27-28,000 when I graduated in 2012. There about 1,000 beds in new dorms being built in the next year too.

If they keep up that level of growth I'd guess they hit 50,000 within 20 years.

It's happening at most major state universities and is a visible sign of a very non public stance. Most states plan to downsize smaller state schools and grow their larger ones. It's more economical. Some of the mid size state schools will essentially be tasked with preparing education majors and job skills needed within the state. Research will be funneled into the larger state schools, where it has'nt already happened. It's actually part of a downsizing in higher ed that is on its way.

It's actually even more startling at other universities.

In 2012 TAMU had 49k but this year has 66k enrolled. I have no idea if that is counting large numbers of online students but that is truly insane.

Back to the old days when states only had a small number of schools.

I suppose it was the original design.

(12-21-2018 02:49 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Back to the old days when states only had a small number of schools.

I suppose it was the original design.

ATU, Normal schools (for educating teachers were always small and located regionally within the state. The Universities were for professional degrees such as engineering, medicine, law, etc. Only after WWII with the GI bill did all of the old normal colleges swell to become universities. Then that swell continued for the baby boom. We are just returning to levels that were pre WWII. States that have lost population might have fewer and states that have grown will have more, but if you think of it as viaducts that helped in the time of flood then you can appreciate them going dry as being normal. It's simply impractical and wasteful to have so many schools trying to duplicate a mission.

(12-21-2018 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 02:49 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Back to the old days when states only had a small number of schools.

I suppose it was the original design.

ATU, Normal schools (for educating teachers were always small and located regionally within the state. The Universities were for professional degrees such as engineering, medicine, law, etc. Only after WWII with the GI bill did all of the old normal colleges swell to become universities. Then that swell continued for the baby boom. We are just returning to levels that were pre WWII. States that have lost population might have fewer and states that have grown will have more, but if you think of it as viaducts that helped in the time of flood then you can appreciate them going dry as being normal. It's simply impractical and wasteful to have so many schools trying to duplicate a mission.

It will be interesting to see the fight the formal Normal schools put up to try and maintain their existence. In GA the mergers have been relatively painless.

(12-03-2018 12:10 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  He did say, however, that the debate over the 4th spot was sometimes contentious.

Leaders have not discussed CFP expansion

Quote:"There's been no talk about a format change in the meetings of the commissioners and the presidents who manage the CFP," Hancock said Sunday, adding that he didn't expect any changes to the selection committee's protocol, either.

Quote:It was the third straight year the Big Ten champion was left out of the top four, though Ohio State did finish as a semifinalist in 2016 without winning its division. Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany told ESPN on Sunday he accepted and respected the committee's decision.

Quote:Selection committee chair Rob Mullens said there was "little debate" about No. 1 Alabama, No. 2 Clemson and No. 3 Notre Dame, but that "there was division" and "occasionally contentious" debate about No. 4 Oklahoma, No. 5 Georgia and No. 6 Ohio State.

Mullens said there were some committee members who believed Georgia deserved to be No. 4, but not enough of them thought the Bulldogs were "unequivocally" one of the four best teams, which required the group to rely on its protocol.

They just moved all the drama from the second spot to the fourth spot. Still a mess every year. Maybe they like it that way.

(12-21-2018 10:17 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 12:10 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  He did say, however, that the debate over the 4th spot was sometimes contentious.

Leaders have not discussed CFP expansion

Quote:"There's been no talk about a format change in the meetings of the commissioners and the presidents who manage the CFP," Hancock said Sunday, adding that he didn't expect any changes to the selection committee's protocol, either.

Quote:It was the third straight year the Big Ten champion was left out of the top four, though Ohio State did finish as a semifinalist in 2016 without winning its division. Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany told ESPN on Sunday he accepted and respected the committee's decision.

Quote:Selection committee chair Rob Mullens said there was "little debate" about No. 1 Alabama, No. 2 Clemson and No. 3 Notre Dame, but that "there was division" and "occasionally contentious" debate about No. 4 Oklahoma, No. 5 Georgia and No. 6 Ohio State.

Mullens said there were some committee members who believed Georgia deserved to be No. 4, but not enough of them thought the Bulldogs were "unequivocally" one of the four best teams, which required the group to rely on its protocol.

They just moved all the drama from the second spot to the fourth spot. Still a mess every year. Maybe they like it that way.

The drama is good for drumming up interest.

They did move the mess from 2nd to 4th and I think they'll eventually move it again, but the NCAA Tournament has proven that even 68 is not enough to keep some people from debating.

That 4th spot is contentious yearly. It can't be avoided, particularly with multiple one-loss P5 teams and one G5 undefeated team ranked a few spots further down.