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I'm with the pirate Mike Leach... Let's go to 16
Not to rehash a story that has been retold a thousand times on this platform but the playoff expansion is inevitable. However I'm with Mike Leach in my preference to go to 16. My argument is this... Going to 16 (along with losing the conference championship games) has the same impact on the total number of games as going to 8 (and keeping the conference Championship games).

You can argue with me one way or the other but other than the SEC game and occasionally the B1G the Conference Championship games basically come down to double jeopardy. One team can lose but the other can't necessarily win. Take the Ohio State v Northwestern game. Ohio State risked way more than Northwestern and even after the win Ohio State ended up no better off for the wear.

If you lose the CCGs you obviously have to compensate the Conferences so the breakout would look like this:
P5: 2 Berths apiece (Division champs)
G5: 2 highest ranked
At Large: 4 highest ranking schools without regard to conference affiliation.

A setup like this would ensure:
#1 The Best school in the nation will be in the field and any reasonable opponent that has the capability of knocking them off is also in the field.
#2 The regular season, especially division contests will keep the regular season meaningful
#3 The G5 will be Guaranteed an opportunity to show their stuff.
#4 The deepest Conferences will make a ton of money off of the at-large bids

Closing thoughts, I do not like the playoff panel. I would much rather go back to the BCS model that took into consideration the human element but was not solely reliant on it. The P5 will get their Division champs in and therefore 10 of the 16 bids will be won on the field. From there allow a human/computer model to determine the top 2 G5 schools and top 4 at- large schools.
(This post was last modified: 12-16-2018 07:53 PM by Big Ron Buckeye.)
12-16-2018 07:50 PM
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RE: I'm with the pirate Mike Leach... Let's go to 16
I whole heartedly agree conference championships should be replaced if the winner is not guaranteed a spot in the playoffs. Its worthless for a team to crown a conference champion and have another team go to the playoffs.
12-18-2018 07:29 PM
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RE: I'm with the pirate Mike Leach... Let's go to 16
While not a fan of a bigger playoff, I like the idea of doing away with the CCGs and going back to having co-champs. I think that's a non-starter though. Those games are worth too much to their conferences and money divided far more ways won't make up for it (combined with the marquee games losing the huge TV numbers they currently get in the first 2/3 the season).

I think we'll get playoff expansion, but I think it will be 8, it won't get rid of CCGs, and it will be the final move for a long time. I also think the sport will lose a lot more than it will gain for that, but I am in the vast minority in that view.

side note: I don't necessarily think conference champs should always (at least in the present system) go in over other teams in their conference. Conference titles are and should be judged strictly on your in-conference achievements. The national rankings though have to factor in non-conference as well. It's possible one team does slightly better in conference, but worse out of conference and thus are conference champs, but could be most worthy of being called conference champs, but not the better overall team nationwide.
12-18-2018 11:40 PM
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RE: I'm with the pirate Mike Leach... Let's go to 16
(12-18-2018 11:40 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  While not a fan of a bigger playoff, I like the idea of doing away with the CCGs and going back to having co-champs.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were the only one who likes co-champs. There was nothing more frustrating to me than "sharing" a Big Ten championship in 2005 and 2008 when Penn State beat Ohio State but was later tripped up by Michigan and Iowa. Ohio State should get no credit for those years.
12-19-2018 06:51 AM
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RE: I'm with the pirate Mike Leach... Let's go to 16
(12-16-2018 07:50 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  Not to rehash a story that has been retold a thousand times on this platform but the playoff expansion is inevitable. However I'm with Mike Leach in my preference to go to 16. My argument is this... Going to 16 (along with losing the conference championship games) has the same impact on the total number of games as going to 8 (and keeping the conference Championship games).

You can argue with me one way or the other but other than the SEC game and occasionally the B1G the Conference Championship games basically come down to double jeopardy. One team can lose but the other can't necessarily win. Take the Ohio State v Northwestern game. Ohio State risked way more than Northwestern and even after the win Ohio State ended up no better off for the wear.

If you lose the CCGs you obviously have to compensate the Conferences so the breakout would look like this:
P5: 2 Berths apiece (Division champs)
G5: 2 highest ranked
At Large: 4 highest ranking schools without regard to conference affiliation.

A setup like this would ensure:
#1 The Best school in the nation will be in the field and any reasonable opponent that has the capability of knocking them off is also in the field.
#2 The regular season, especially division contests will keep the regular season meaningful
#3 The G5 will be Guaranteed an opportunity to show their stuff.
#4 The deepest Conferences will make a ton of money off of the at-large bids

Closing thoughts, I do not like the playoff panel. I would much rather go back to the BCS model that took into consideration the human element but was not solely reliant on it. The P5 will get their Division champs in and therefore 10 of the 16 bids will be won on the field. From there allow a human/computer model to determine the top 2 G5 schools and top 4 at- large schools.

I like the fact that more of the bids under your model are based on conference standings. I wouldn't mind in a 16 team model let each P5 get 3 spots(each league to a single set of division standings) and 1 spot to the highest G5, probably a play in game between the two highest rated champs. Or 24, each P5 gets 4 teams and 2 G5's and I even like rotating the 2 left over spots on a rotating basis between all the P5's. It gets really easier if we get to a P4, which we absolutely could do if the PAC was split between the B1G & Big 12.
12-20-2018 02:58 PM
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