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RE: 2018 MAC Bowl Season
(12-27-2018 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-27-2018 07:30 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  The MAC's issue in playing too many of the mid week games is what it can and does do to live gate $$$. I won't pretend to know how much any one team in this conference can bring in on a saturday vs. a tuesday but I would suspect that some programs are losing money when comparing live gate issues to the TV deal ESPN provides. Just speculation for a few schools on my part. Think about it for a few, if you lose say, 150K every time you play on tues or weds, and you do that 3 times or maybe even 4 times, the TV deal isn't paying for short fall.

My guess is that for MOST MAC teams the difference in attendance for midweek and Saturday games in NOVEMBER isn't that great.

Unless the game is super important crowds are going to be very smallish, regardless. I went to EMU's Saturday Nov. 11 game vs. Akron. It was cold and the crowd small.

My suggestion: Try to limit each team to one mid-week home game per season.

So teams like NIU, WMU, TOL, OHIO, UB, etc. can play one home and one away mid-week game.

NO team should play THREE mid-week games (Note: I do not count the day after Thanksgiving as mid-week, it is an optional day vs. Saturday, no students are present).

So doing some simple math: 12 teams x 2 games / 2 teams per game = 12 games. MAC should shot for 12 mid-week games, TOTAL.

MACtion sucks but you would have a lot fewer complaints if it was only one home and one away game midweek.
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Quote:Georgia Southern won 10 games. I'd say EMU is the inferior opponent and the scoreboard showed that.

That's not sound logic. First, we're talking about blowouts/embarassments VS close games. Second, EMU & GA-Southern were on the same level. The scoreboard and how the game played out showed that. That was the 1 game you could say the MAC could have easily gotten another win, without bending the truth.

All in all, 2 blowout loses, 2 competitive losses, 1 barn-burner oh-sh!t-we-had-this loss, and 1 trickle-down blowout win.

Quote:Sports betting is legal everywhere now, not just Vegas.

Not true. It's Allowed to be legal anywhere. That's up to the states.

From mid-may, a report from SI:
Quote:Only Nevada, Delaware, Montana and Oregon already allow sports betting and Nevada is the only state to allow single-game wagering. In June, New Jersey legalized sports betting and in October, a New Mexico casino began taking sports bets.

A report from Eilers & Krejcik Gaming predicts 14 states could have legalized sports gambling within two years including Mississippi, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Connecticut. For now however, it is still illegal in the 46 states not mentioned previously, but the federal ban is no longer in play.
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2018 MAC Bowl Season
The league just needs to get rid of the short weeks

There used to be a bye on Saturday at beginning of MACtion. Now teams play the Saturday before

Skip Saturday to following Tuesday for premier games. Then following Wednesday. Then day after Thanksgiving. No short weeks

But I do agree it would be nice to have a limit of one home game on a weeknight

And frankly I would abandon day after thanksgiving as well since the number of attendees is so darn small

I would even take MACtion one step farther and play on Sunday afternoon.


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To any non-Ohio fan feeling bad about their bowl performance, note that Purdue is losing to Auburn 56-7. Halftime.
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RE: 2018 MAC Bowl Season
(12-27-2018 07:30 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  The MAC's issue in playing too many of the mid week games is what it can and does do to live gate $$$. I won't pretend to know how much any one team in this conference can bring in on a saturday vs. a tuesday but I would suspect that some programs are losing money when comparing live gate issues to the TV deal ESPN provides. Just speculation for a few schools on my part. Think about it for a few, if you lose say, 150K every time you play on tues or weds, and you do that 3 times or maybe even 4 times, the TV deal isn't paying for short fall.

Not even just the direct impact on athletics and university but the impact it has on the local economy. You are losing fans that would have come out on a Saturday and spent money eating at restaurants, shopping for sports gear, possibly renting a hotel room, etc. No one has time to do that for week day games. So you have less people who can make the game and the ones that can have to leave directly from work and get to the game right at kickoff.
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RE: 2018 MAC Bowl Season
(12-27-2018 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-27-2018 07:30 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  The MAC's issue in playing too many of the mid week games is what it can and does do to live gate $$$. I won't pretend to know how much any one team in this conference can bring in on a saturday vs. a tuesday but I would suspect that some programs are losing money when comparing live gate issues to the TV deal ESPN provides. Just speculation for a few schools on my part. Think about it for a few, if you lose say, 150K every time you play on tues or weds, and you do that 3 times or maybe even 4 times, the TV deal isn't paying for short fall.

My guess is that for MOST MAC teams the difference in attendance for midweek and Saturday games in NOVEMBER isn't that great.

Unless the game is super important crowds are going to be very smallish, regardless. I went to EMU's Saturday Nov. 11 game vs. Akron. It was cold and the crowd small.

My suggestion: Try to limit each team to one mid-week home game per season.

So teams like NIU, WMU, TOL, OHIO, UB, etc. can play one home and one away mid-week game.

NO team should play THREE mid-week games (Note: I do not count the day after Thanksgiving as mid-week, it is an optional day vs. Saturday, no students are present).

So doing some simple math: 12 teams x 2 games / 2 teams per game = 12 games. MAC should shot for 12 mid-week games, TOTAL.

I would also stipulate the games need to be ESPN or ESPN2 only. No one should be playing on weekdays for ESPNU and ESPN3/ESPN+. We could be playing Saturday games for ESPN3/ESPN+.
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RE: 2018 MAC Bowl Season
(12-29-2018 08:40 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-27-2018 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-27-2018 07:30 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  The MAC's issue in playing too many of the mid week games is what it can and does do to live gate $$$. I won't pretend to know how much any one team in this conference can bring in on a saturday vs. a tuesday but I would suspect that some programs are losing money when comparing live gate issues to the TV deal ESPN provides. Just speculation for a few schools on my part. Think about it for a few, if you lose say, 150K every time you play on tues or weds, and you do that 3 times or maybe even 4 times, the TV deal isn't paying for short fall.

My guess is that for MOST MAC teams the difference in attendance for midweek and Saturday games in NOVEMBER isn't that great.

Unless the game is super important crowds are going to be very smallish, regardless. I went to EMU's Saturday Nov. 11 game vs. Akron. It was cold and the crowd small.

My suggestion: Try to limit each team to one mid-week home game per season.

So teams like NIU, WMU, TOL, OHIO, UB, etc. can play one home and one away mid-week game.

NO team should play THREE mid-week games (Note: I do not count the day after Thanksgiving as mid-week, it is an optional day vs. Saturday, no students are present).

So doing some simple math: 12 teams x 2 games / 2 teams per game = 12 games. MAC should shot for 12 mid-week games, TOTAL.

I would also stipulate the games need to be ESPN or ESPN2 only. No one should be playing on weekdays for ESPNU and ESPN3/ESPN+. We could be playing Saturday games for ESPN3/ESPN+.

Exactly.
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I would include CBS Sports Channel as an option along with ESPN & ESPN2, as they sell some there. And if they wanted to sell it to FS1, that would be kosher, too.

I would think to include ESPNU, if ESPNU came on every cable package along with ESPN2. If one's scanning their channels for any sports on, and sees College Football on the channel after a basketball game, tomato - tomatoe -- they're going to choose what they feel like seeing, and don't care if it's ESPN2 or ESPNU. But too many people don't have ESPNU.
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(12-31-2018 08:20 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  I would include CBS Sports Channel as an option along with ESPN & ESPN2, as they sell some there. And if they wanted to sell it to FS1, that would be kosher, too.

I would think to include ESPNU, if ESPNU came on every cable package along with ESPN2. If one's scanning their channels for any sports on, and sees College Football on the channel after a basketball game, tomato - tomatoe -- they're going to choose what they feel like seeing, and don't care if it's ESPN2 or ESPNU. But too many people don't have ESPNU.

Total distribution for ESPNU ,that includes nonlinear
feeds is about 64,000,000 from Summer numbers that I saw.
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(12-31-2018 08:20 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  I would include CBS Sports Channel as an option along with ESPN & ESPN2, as they sell some there. And if they wanted to sell it to FS1, that would be kosher, too.

Two things the help CBS Sports:

-Its a big 4 (CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX) network product. People know not all of the sports are on ESPN and you have to go to secondary sports channels for games. When people hear Stadium or Facebook they think right off the bat its second tier distribution which is small time.

-Its the only CBS sports network. FOX has FS1/FS2 and the regional affiliates. NBC has NBC Sports + regional affiliates. ABC has a bunch of ESPN channels all the way down to extras. This helps CBS Sports stand out some within a sports pack.

I wouldn't want to go exclusive with CBS but its a solid exposure outlet compared to streaming.
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I feel online streaming is actually the wave of the future. 70+% of baby boomers rely on cable subscription as their primary means of watching TV. Only 31% of millennials fall into that same category. As more millenials and generation Z become heads of households and baby boomers die off, the current cable model isn't going to be able to survive. It wouldn't at all surprise me if Netflix starts bidding on live sports in the next 10 years.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...-watch-tv/
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All those subscription and streaming services confuse me. 03-old Someday I'll need to educate myself on all that. But it seems like every day a new company is popping up with their own content for $x per month, most of which I can only assume is garbage.

Of course my leisure TV watching-time has been radically reduced since I had kids 6 years ago. So I've gotten way out of the loop, and probably the demographic.

I wish cable went a la carte. I would pick about ~15 channels and be done with it. I don't need the other couple hundred.
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(01-02-2019 01:17 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  All those subscription and streaming services confuse me. 03-old Someday I'll need to educate myself on all that. But it seems like every day a new company is popping up with their own content for $x per month, most of which I can only assume is garbage.

Of course my leisure TV watching-time has been radically reduced since I had kids 6 years ago. So I've gotten way out of the loop, and probably the demographic.

I wish cable went a la carte. I would pick about ~15 channels and be done with it. I don't need the other couple hundred.

When it comes to sports, the best one out there so far is ESPN+. At $50/yr the content it provides is an absolute steal.
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(01-02-2019 02:30 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(01-02-2019 01:17 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  All those subscription and streaming services confuse me. 03-old Someday I'll need to educate myself on all that. But it seems like every day a new company is popping up with their own content for $x per month, most of which I can only assume is garbage.

Of course my leisure TV watching-time has been radically reduced since I had kids 6 years ago. So I've gotten way out of the loop, and probably the demographic.

I wish cable went a la carte. I would pick about ~15 channels and be done with it. I don't need the other couple hundred.

When it comes to sports, the best one out there so far is ESPN+. At $50/yr the content it provides is an absolute steal.

Even just monthly, you could watch all of the remaining 2 1/2 months of MAC basketball season for $15. Plus there’s a ton of other stuff on there—I’ve been catching up on some great 30 For 30’s for example. And if you love your test cricket, well, then you are gold with the + package!
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It's also fantastic for soccer fans. You get every out of market MLS game and every Serie A game. Then it has a host of over random leagues. The 30 for 30s are great. What I've been watching of late is Peyton Manning breaking down QBs play by play. I find myself looking for those small intricacies on each play that I use to often overlook.
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Why would I pay ESPN a dime,if I thought they were responsible for the drop in attendance?
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ESPN + is awesome for WBB. It's a sport where fans don't travel much and attendance is usually woeful anyways. For example Toledo averages near 4,000. ESPN+ subscribers that are Rocket fans aren't missing home games because they bought it instead. It's for the away games or alums who are out of town. Football is another story.
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