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(12-20-2018 11:57 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  USF goes from a 7-0 start to a 7-6 finish.

Epic.

You knew when USF beat UConn by ONLY 8 points in Tampa to go to 7-0 it was about to hit the toilet.
 
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(12-20-2018 11:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Thursday, Dec. 20
Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl/8 p.m. ET, ESPN
Marshall vs. South Florida
Marshall 38 (9-4)
USF 20 (7-6)


This one was never in doubt. Doc Holliday wins his 6th consecutive bowl at Marshall. When is our road game at Huntington?

Conference Results:
MW (2-1)
Sun (2-1)
CUSA (2-2)
AAC (1-1)
MAC (1-2)
P12 (0-1)

As respected as Marshall may be, the AAC needs to win these games if they want to keep calling themselves a P6 conference. Need Memphis and Houston to take care of business tomorrow.
 
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The tackling by the USF defense against Marshall was the worst I saw this entire football season. Almost embarrassingly bad. Arm tackling, poor pursuit, you name it, you could tell that the Bulls' players almost didn't care to be there. And apparently their fans didn't care much because there were few of them there. Gonna be some heat focused on one Charley Strong.

When USF joined the Big East, they were admitted for their potential more than for anything they had actually achieved. They have had a few good years there in football (Taggart was lucky to have Flowers as his QB) but it seems a USF late season swoon has become an annual thing. UCF is building something interesting. USF---not so much.
 
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Beat FCS Elon.

USF beat GT by 11 on a 4th Q surge then beat A bad IL by 6

Fools gold. Beat ECU by 7, UMass by 16, Tulsa by 6. These are 3 bad AAC teams they barely beat. Barely beat a horrible UConn.


Then the sky fell.


Fools gold come to the top and so does crap.
 
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(12-21-2018 10:58 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 11:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Thursday, Dec. 20
Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl/8 p.m. ET, ESPN
Marshall vs. South Florida
Marshall 38 (9-4)
USF 20 (7-6)


This one was never in doubt. Doc Holliday wins his 6th consecutive bowl at Marshall. When is our road game at Huntington?

Conference Results:
MW (2-1)
Sun (2-1)
CUSA (2-2)
AAC (1-1)
MAC (1-2)
P12 (0-1)

As respected as Marshall may be, the AAC needs to win these games if they want to keep calling themselves a P6 conference. Need Memphis and Houston to take care of business tomorrow.

Marshall had a solid but not spectacular season. They just got trounced by VT in their last game. And lost to So. Miss and MTSU in conference. Not a great Marshall team that largely compiled wins against bad teams. This was an ugly loss for USF in their own stadium.
 
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Bahamas Bowl mistake filled with Toledo up 10-7 over FIU.

I cannot see anyone in the stands.

Too many bowls.
 
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(12-21-2018 01:47 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Bahamas Bowl mistake filled with Toledo up 10-7 over FIU.

I cannot see anyone in the stands.

Too many bowls.

If I were in the Bahamas, the absolute last place I'd be is that stadium watching this game.

12:30 PM kickoff on Friday where people are still working prior to taking off for the holiday is just dumb. However, last year's edition drew 882,000 viewers which is higher than hockey or many college hoops games so sponsors/networks will continue with them.
 
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(12-21-2018 12:29 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 10:58 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  As respected as Marshall may be, the AAC needs to win these games if they want to keep calling themselves a P6 conference. Need Memphis and Houston to take care of business tomorrow.

Marshall had a solid but not spectacular season. They just got trounced by VT in their last game. And lost to So. Miss and MTSU in conference. Not a great Marshall team that largely compiled wins against bad teams. This was an ugly loss for USF in their own stadium.

I don't put as much stock in lower tier bowl games. I realize this was a "home game" but how many USF fans were in the stands? There were far more empty seats than ones with butts. I don't think this was an ugly loss as much as an ugly season for USF. In terms of the P6 stuff, teams get motivated for different reasons and sometimes it's a crapshoot as to who wins a bowl game. I think the AAC has more than held their own during the regular season OOC and in some of the bigger bowls that UCF and Houston have played in most recently.
 
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(12-21-2018 03:20 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 12:29 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 10:58 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  As respected as Marshall may be, the AAC needs to win these games if they want to keep calling themselves a P6 conference. Need Memphis and Houston to take care of business tomorrow.

Marshall had a solid but not spectacular season. They just got trounced by VT in their last game. And lost to So. Miss and MTSU in conference. Not a great Marshall team that largely compiled wins against bad teams. This was an ugly loss for USF in their own stadium.

I don't put as much stock in lower tier bowl games. I realize this was a "home game" but how many USF fans were in the stands? There were far more empty seats than ones with butts. I don't think this was an ugly loss as much as an ugly season for USF. In terms of the P6 stuff, teams get motivated for different reasons and sometimes it's a crapshoot as to who wins a bowl game. I think the AAC has more than held their own during the regular season OOC and in some of the bigger bowls that UCF and Houston have played in most recently.

Like it or not, people pay attention when the talking heads (media) talk about conference bowl records, when all is said and done. You hear AD's and Conf. Commissioners bring it up constantly. We JUST heard the SEC Commish tout their conference bowl record the other night during the Miss St. game. It doesn't matter what level of bowl it is. Victories are victories. The AAC can't have a .500 or worse bowl record, or be somewhere in the middle of the pack of the G5 conferences, if they want to keep with the P6 mantra.
 
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(12-21-2018 03:44 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Like it or not, people pay attention when the talking heads (media) talk about conference bowl records, when all is said and done. You hear AD's and Conf. Commissioners bring it up constantly. We JUST heard the SEC Commish tout their conference bowl record the other night during the Miss St. game. It doesn't matter what level of bowl it is. Victories are victories. The AAC can't have a .500 or worse bowl record, or be somewhere in the middle of the pack of the G5 conferences, if they want to keep with the P6 mantra.

No one gives a flying dutchman about the "P6 mantra" outside of the G5. If you believe that the fans across the country, sportswriters and the big conferences care about who won or lost the friggin' Gasparilla Bowl played on a weeknight in mid-December then have at it. I would argue our bowl game is a much, much bigger deal played as the first game on December 31st. So is the UCF game against LSU. That's what our conference is judged on nationally. Games during the regular season OOC count a lot too.
 
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(12-21-2018 03:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 03:44 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Like it or not, people pay attention when the talking heads (media) talk about conference bowl records, when all is said and done. You hear AD's and Conf. Commissioners bring it up constantly. We JUST heard the SEC Commish tout their conference bowl record the other night during the Miss St. game. It doesn't matter what level of bowl it is. Victories are victories. The AAC can't have a .500 or worse bowl record, or be somewhere in the middle of the pack of the G5 conferences, if they want to keep with the P6 mantra.

No one gives a flying dutchman about the "P6 mantra" outside of the G5. If you believe that the fans across the country, sportswriters and the big conferences care about who won or lost the friggin' Gasparilla Bowl played on a weeknight in mid-December then have at it. I would argue our bowl game is a much, much bigger deal played as the first game on December 31st. So is the UCF game against LSU. That's what our conference is judged on nationally. Games during the regular season OOC count a lot too.

You are right, no one cares about the P6 mantra outside of the G5. That's why it sounds silly every time Aresco says it. It looks even more silly if the AAC goes 3-4 in their bowls. But have a drink every time you hear a sportscaster say or see a graphic pop up on ESPN showing the conference bowl records the week between semi-finals and the championship game, and you'll be three sheets in the wind.
 
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(12-21-2018 04:29 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 03:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 03:44 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Like it or not, people pay attention when the talking heads (media) talk about conference bowl records, when all is said and done. You hear AD's and Conf. Commissioners bring it up constantly. We JUST heard the SEC Commish tout their conference bowl record the other night during the Miss St. game. It doesn't matter what level of bowl it is. Victories are victories. The AAC can't have a .500 or worse bowl record, or be somewhere in the middle of the pack of the G5 conferences, if they want to keep with the P6 mantra.

No one gives a flying dutchman about the "P6 mantra" outside of the G5. If you believe that the fans across the country, sportswriters and the big conferences care about who won or lost the friggin' Gasparilla Bowl played on a weeknight in mid-December then have at it. I would argue our bowl game is a much, much bigger deal played as the first game on December 31st. So is the UCF game against LSU. That's what our conference is judged on nationally. Games during the regular season OOC count a lot too.

You are right, no one cares about the P6 mantra outside of the G5. That's why it sounds silly every time Aresco says it. It looks even more silly if the AAC goes 3-4 in their bowls. But have a drink every time you hear a sportscaster say or see a graphic pop up on ESPN showing the conference bowl records the week between semi-finals and the championship game, and you'll be three sheets in the wind.

Eh. Don't overrate one bowl season's impact on perception. The bottom line is the last 4 seasons the AAC has objectively been a better conference than every G5 conference every single season. I think by Sagarin both our divisions have ranked above every G5 conference 3 of the last 4 years and even the other one we had the highest ranked division of the G5 and the 3rd ranked division among the G5. When you listen to national people talk it's basically accepted the AAC is above the other G5 in performance.

That's also the beauty of the p6. Every time were are mentioned nationally with the P6 stuff we are being compared to the major conferences. It doesn't matter that we are objectively below those leagues on the field and certainly financially. It doesn't matter if its someone ripping on the p6 label. Every time we are compared to the major leagues and not the other g5 it is a victory for our league and I think it had paid off in a big way perception wise.
 
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(12-21-2018 05:33 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 04:29 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 03:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 03:44 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Like it or not, people pay attention when the talking heads (media) talk about conference bowl records, when all is said and done. You hear AD's and Conf. Commissioners bring it up constantly. We JUST heard the SEC Commish tout their conference bowl record the other night during the Miss St. game. It doesn't matter what level of bowl it is. Victories are victories. The AAC can't have a .500 or worse bowl record, or be somewhere in the middle of the pack of the G5 conferences, if they want to keep with the P6 mantra.

No one gives a flying dutchman about the "P6 mantra" outside of the G5. If you believe that the fans across the country, sportswriters and the big conferences care about who won or lost the friggin' Gasparilla Bowl played on a weeknight in mid-December then have at it. I would argue our bowl game is a much, much bigger deal played as the first game on December 31st. So is the UCF game against LSU. That's what our conference is judged on nationally. Games during the regular season OOC count a lot too.

You are right, no one cares about the P6 mantra outside of the G5. That's why it sounds silly every time Aresco says it. It looks even more silly if the AAC goes 3-4 in their bowls. But have a drink every time you hear a sportscaster say or see a graphic pop up on ESPN showing the conference bowl records the week between semi-finals and the championship game, and you'll be three sheets in the wind.

Eh. Don't overrate one bowl season's impact on perception. The bottom line is the last 4 seasons the AAC has objectively been a better conference than every G5 conference every single season. I think by Sagarin both our divisions have ranked above every G5 conference 3 of the last 4 years and even the other one we had the highest ranked division of the G5 and the 3rd ranked division among the G5. When you listen to national people talk it's basically accepted the AAC is above the other G5 in performance.

That's also the beauty of the p6. Every time were are mentioned nationally with the P6 stuff we are being compared to the major conferences. It doesn't matter that we are objectively below those leagues on the field and certainly financially. It doesn't matter if its someone ripping on the p6 label. Every time we are compared to the major leagues and not the other g5 it is a victory for our league and I think it had paid off in a big way perception wise.

Lol - c'mon man. Take the rest of 2018 off and come back with a renewed vision of reality. Kinda like your new House of Representatives.....
 
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Friday, Dec. 21
Makers Wanted Bahamas Bowl/12:30 p.m. ET, ESPN
FIU vs. Toledo
FIU 35 (9-4)
Toledo 32 (7-6)


Turned out to be a decent game but Toledo scored right at the end.

Famous Idaho Potato Bowl/4 p.m. ET, ESPN
Western Michigan vs. BYU
BYU 49 (7-6)
WMU 18 (7-6)


Western Michigan taken out behind the woodshed. Not much else to say.

Conference Results:
MW (2-1)
Sun (2-1)
CUSA (3-2)
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MAC (1-4)
P12 (0-1)
 
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Some good games today including our conference mates:

Saturday, Dec. 22
Jared Birmingham Bowl/Noon ET, ESPN
Memphis vs. Wake Forest +3

Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl/3:30 p.m. ET, ESPN
Houston vs. Army -6.5

Dollar General Bowl/7 p.m. ET, ESPN
Buffalo vs. Troy +1

SoFi Hawai'i Bowl/10:30 p.m. ET, ESPN
Louisiana Tech vs. Hawaii +1.5
 
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Barring TOs, Memphis is going to roll WF. Slicing their their D like a hot knife through butter.
 
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(12-22-2018 12:29 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Barring TOs, Memphis is going to roll WF. Slicing their their D like a hot knife through butter.

Memphis entire D line injured. May give game to Wake Forest in 2nd. Memphis up 4 at half.
 
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(12-22-2018 12:29 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Barring TOs, Memphis is going to roll WF. Slicing their their D like a hot knife through butter.

Memphis entire D line injured. May give game to Wake Forest in 2nd. Memphis up 4 at half.

This has turned from a Memphis domination early on to a flip flop Wake on top.
 
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(12-22-2018 02:38 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 01:58 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 12:29 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Barring TOs, Memphis is going to roll WF. Slicing their their D like a hot knife through butter.

Memphis entire D line injured. May give game to Wake Forest in 2nd. Memphis up 4 at half.

This has turned from a Memphis domination early on to a flip flop Wake on top.

This is embarrassing for one of the AAC's top teams to be struggling with a barely bowl eligible ACC team.





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(12-22-2018 03:13 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 02:38 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 01:58 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 12:29 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Barring TOs, Memphis is going to roll WF. Slicing their their D like a hot knife through butter.

Memphis entire D line injured. May give game to Wake Forest in 2nd. Memphis up 4 at half.

This has turned from a Memphis domination early on to a flip flop Wake on top.

This is embarrassing for one of the AAC's top teams to be struggling with a barely bowl eligible ACC team.





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Maybe P7 would be more truth in advertising. Let Arresco know....

Clearly the WMI has the AAC at 1.12 with the ACC at 1.43. I believe the WMI for the Mountain West to be 1.31
 
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