(12-06-2018 08:53 AM)fanfrompowellspub Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:29 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:09 AM)fanfrompowellspub Wrote:  My excuse with Murphy is he brings in talent. I was in school during the Boone years and we had no talent, emptied our brand new arena and devastated a fan base. Murphy's teams the last few years have improved late January and February. Do you want to burn it to the ground and let mondro be interim coach? Whose the next you hire and at what salary?

Yes. Murphy has already destroyed the program. There is ZERO fan interest. He doesn't seem to care. A coach who actually cares (Ben Braun, and current football coach Chris Creighton) get out, engage with the community and do their level best to play in front of as many students, fans as possible. A guy like James Thompson has been completely wasted! He is a once in a generation talent and Murphy has never found out a way to win with him? That is hard to do. I'd fire Murphy after the Kansas game which should be sufficiently embarrassing enough to necessitate a change, install Mondro as interim coach and begin a search where the next coach of EMU has ties to metro Detroit and or Eastern Michigan University. We have to change the culture of this program and restore some pride. This is so unfair to anyone who has supported this university. I don't think Murphy could care less about coaching EMU in fact, he'd probably welcome and understand his firing. I don't believe he planned on being here this long. He checked out a long time ago.

Give me names of who you would hire. I want names. I don't want an idea of a person who may not exist. I want names and actual track records that can do better then a division title and 2 semifinal appearences in the Mac tournament, which i understand isn't great but we couldn't even get to cleveland for a decade

What you do not want to do is just throw out names. There is no value in that. You have to set your goals, objectives, and criteria and launch an organized search. Random names won't get it done.

(12-06-2018 09:02 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:53 AM)fanfrompowellspub Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:29 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:09 AM)fanfrompowellspub Wrote:  My excuse with Murphy is he brings in talent. I was in school during the Boone years and we had no talent, emptied our brand new arena and devastated a fan base. Murphy's teams the last few years have improved late January and February. Do you want to burn it to the ground and let mondro be interim coach? Whose the next you hire and at what salary?

Yes. Murphy has already destroyed the program. There is ZERO fan interest. He doesn't seem to care. A coach who actually cares (Ben Braun, and current football coach Chris Creighton) get out, engage with the community and do their level best to play in front of as many students, fans as possible. A guy like James Thompson has been completely wasted! He is a once in a generation talent and Murphy has never found out a way to win with him? That is hard to do. I'd fire Murphy after the Kansas game which should be sufficiently embarrassing enough to necessitate a change, install Mondro as interim coach and begin a search where the next coach of EMU has ties to metro Detroit and or Eastern Michigan University. We have to change the culture of this program and restore some pride. This is so unfair to anyone who has supported this university. I don't think Murphy could care less about coaching EMU in fact, he'd probably welcome and understand his firing. I don't believe he planned on being here this long. He checked out a long time ago.

Give me names of who you would hire. I want names. I don't want an idea of a person who may not exist. I want names and actual track records that can do better then a division title and 2 semifinal appearences in the Mac tournament, which i understand isn't great but we couldn't even get to cleveland for a decade

Dane Fife is the first name that comes to mind. But I think he's waiting for Izzo to retire.

I wouldn't even interview Fife. He turned down previous consideration to take the job on Izzo's staff. Tells you how much the head coaching job at EMU means to him.

I think we ALL can agree that a coaching change is needed, we just have to get it right this time.

(12-06-2018 09:48 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 08:09 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  It is not yet January and the EMU basketball team is an embarrassment. Another disappointing season awaits. Is it finally time to fire our reluctant coach?

Don't feed the troll.

There is the message (which has been widely discussed here) and the messenger.

The messenger could have weighed in on POSITIVE things about the football team, volleyball team, academics, the new performance center, women's basketball, etc., but chose to not to.

For reasons I do not know, he does not seem to share of the joy of things going well with EMU but wishes to concentrate on the negative.

One might say that is the behavior of a troll.

A troll gets no joy by saying, "I share the joy of a successful 2018 football season and hope for a really good bowl game experience."

I'm glad YOU, as one of the best and most active posters on this board, finally said what I've been saying for years. This guy is banned for a month, and immediately comes back with the negativity. This bowl game has huge interest, and will likely be very well attended by real EMU fans and proud alumni....but he says it's irrelevant!

He is supposedly this huge EMU 'fan' but you can guarantee he won't spend a dime to make the easy trip to Alabama for a Saturday bowl game, to show any real support for the school.

Same sh*t, different day.

(12-06-2018 07:38 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 02:44 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 08:09 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  It is not yet January and the EMU basketball team is an embarrassment. Another disappointing season awaits. Is it finally time to fire our reluctant coach?

Actually, Bob, this board is completely into the bowl game.

This year's team is about as BAD a coached team as I've ever seen and I have watched since the Ray Scott era. He is/was INCOMPETENT. Eastern Michigan University deserves a real coach. This has been torture and nothing changes with this guy. He cannot coach.

This is correct Bob. Has been true for a long time. The problem is that this is EMU -- The same university that wouldn't fire Ron English for performance-related issues.

If we are serious about wanting Murphy out, we need to hope he strikes a player (or student). Sadly, he doesn't seem like the type to get that wound up.

(12-06-2018 08:53 AM)fanfrompowellspub Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:29 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:09 AM)fanfrompowellspub Wrote:  My excuse with Murphy is he brings in talent. I was in school during the Boone years and we had no talent, emptied our brand new arena and devastated a fan base. Murphy's teams the last few years have improved late January and February. Do you want to burn it to the ground and let mondro be interim coach? Whose the next you hire and at what salary?

Yes. Murphy has already destroyed the program. There is ZERO fan interest. He doesn't seem to care. A coach who actually cares (Ben Braun, and current football coach Chris Creighton) get out, engage with the community and do their level best to play in front of as many students, fans as possible. A guy like James Thompson has been completely wasted! He is a once in a generation talent and Murphy has never found out a way to win with him? That is hard to do. I'd fire Murphy after the Kansas game which should be sufficiently embarrassing enough to necessitate a change, install Mondro as interim coach and begin a search where the next coach of EMU has ties to metro Detroit and or Eastern Michigan University. We have to change the culture of this program and restore some pride. This is so unfair to anyone who has supported this university. I don't think Murphy could care less about coaching EMU in fact, he'd probably welcome and understand his firing. I don't believe he planned on being here this long. He checked out a long time ago.

Give me names of who you would hire. I want names. I don't want an idea of a person who may not exist. I want names and actual track records that can do better then a division title and 2 semifinal appearences in the Mac tournament, which i understand isn't great but we couldn't even get to cleveland for a decade

Don't be silly. That is what a search firm is for. If you are trying to say there is no coaching talent out there looking for an opportunity, then I don't believe you.

(12-06-2018 08:29 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:09 AM)fanfrompowellspub Wrote:  My excuse with Murphy is he brings in talent. I was in school during the Boone years and we had no talent, emptied our brand new arena and devastated a fan base. Murphy's teams the last few years have improved late January and February. Do you want to burn it to the ground and let mondro be interim coach? Whose the next you hire and at what salary?

Yes. Murphy has already destroyed the program. There is ZERO fan interest. He doesn't seem to care. A coach who actually cares (Ben Braun, and current football coach Chris Creighton) get out, engage with the community and do their level best to play in front of as many students, fans as possible. A guy like James Thompson has been completely wasted! He is a once in a generation talent and Murphy has never found out a way to win with him? That is hard to do. I'd fire Murphy after the Kansas game which should be sufficiently embarrassing enough to necessitate a change, install Mondro as interim coach and begin a search where the next coach of EMU has ties to metro Detroit and or Eastern Michigan University. We have to change the culture of this program and restore some pride. This is so unfair to anyone who has supported this university. I don't think Murphy could care less about coaching EMU in fact, he'd probably welcome and understand his firing. I don't believe he planned on being here this long. He checked out a long time ago.

Yo bobby, are sure that other coaches didnt kill the program? Lets look at the coaches since Ben Braun:
Murph:133-112
Charles Ramsey : 68-118
Jim Boone: 48-96
Milton Barnes: 62-53

Murphy is THIRD all time in wins! When did THAT happen?

Murphy is disappointing - I won't say that I don't think he shouldnt have more wins based on the talent he has. BUT to act like he is some no account bad coach is a mistake. He stabilized a program in free fall, no small task. He has wins over Purdue and Michigan (AT MICHIGAN!). I agree, the athletic department as a whole could do a better job at engaging the fan base and the 3-2 zone style isnt exactly entertaining, i dont think he's worth firing - at this point. Now maybe he ***** himself in conference. then we can talk about making a change. he's on his THIRD AD. that's wild.

E'Tough just reminded me: I've been on this forum since Jan. 2004, almost 15 years. Before that I was on MLive and on AOL's MAC forum before that. Been doing this since the late 90s (since the times of Barnes), when folks started doing this kind of stuff on the Internet.

Go back to the days of Amy Whitesall at the Ann Arbor News and I think her predecessor, John Barton (or something like that).

I have a LOT of newspaper clipping going back to the 90s which the (late) Bill Fennel would send me. Maybe some time I'll attach some as attachments on this forum.

I believe I have EMU's win over UofM (Dec '97), win of Wisconsin, and more.

(12-06-2018 05:47 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:29 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:09 AM)fanfrompowellspub Wrote:  My excuse with Murphy is he brings in talent. I was in school during the Boone years and we had no talent, emptied our brand new arena and devastated a fan base. Murphy's teams the last few years have improved late January and February. Do you want to burn it to the ground and let mondro be interim coach? Whose the next you hire and at what salary?

Yes. Murphy has already destroyed the program. There is ZERO fan interest. He doesn't seem to care. A coach who actually cares (Ben Braun, and current football coach Chris Creighton) get out, engage with the community and do their level best to play in front of as many students, fans as possible. A guy like James Thompson has been completely wasted! He is a once in a generation talent and Murphy has never found out a way to win with him? That is hard to do. I'd fire Murphy after the Kansas game which should be sufficiently embarrassing enough to necessitate a change, install Mondro as interim coach and begin a search where the next coach of EMU has ties to metro Detroit and or Eastern Michigan University. We have to change the culture of this program and restore some pride. This is so unfair to anyone who has supported this university. I don't think Murphy could care less about coaching EMU in fact, he'd probably welcome and understand his firing. I don't believe he planned on being here this long. He checked out a long time ago.

Yo bobby, are sure that other coaches didnt kill the program? Lets look at the coaches since Ben Braun:
Murph:133-112
Charles Ramsey : 68-118
Jim Boone: 48-96
Milton Barnes: 62-53

Murphy is THIRD all time in wins! When did THAT happen?

Murphy is disappointing - I won't say that I don't think he shouldnt have more wins based on the talent he has. BUT to act like he is some no account bad coach is a mistake. He stabilized a program in free fall, no small task. He has wins over Purdue and Michigan (AT MICHIGAN!). I agree, the athletic department as a whole could do a better job at engaging the fan base and the 3-2 zone style isnt exactly entertaining, i dont think he's worth firing - at this point. Now maybe he ***** himself in conference. then we can talk about making a change. he's on his THIRD AD. that's wild.

Excellent analysis Dan.

Yeah lets turn over the keys to the program to a guy that has NEVER been a head coach. We can give Mondro the necessary salary supplement and also buy Murphy out at $600K. That's a wonderful plan for a cash strapped university.

Lets quit even discussing getting rid of Murphy, he is here this season and next.

Same guy that was screaming for Creighton to be fired a couple years ago. Go figure.

(12-06-2018 06:31 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  Same guy that was screaming for Creighton to be fired a couple years ago. Go figure.

And promised that he would NEVER make a bowl game. Now we are going to our second bowl in three years. Bob ain’t exactly Nostradamus.

(12-06-2018 06:13 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 05:47 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:29 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 08:09 AM)fanfrompowellspub Wrote:  My excuse with Murphy is he brings in talent. I was in school during the Boone years and we had no talent, emptied our brand new arena and devastated a fan base. Murphy's teams the last few years have improved late January and February. Do you want to burn it to the ground and let mondro be interim coach? Whose the next you hire and at what salary?

Yes. Murphy has already destroyed the program. There is ZERO fan interest. He doesn't seem to care. A coach who actually cares (Ben Braun, and current football coach Chris Creighton) get out, engage with the community and do their level best to play in front of as many students, fans as possible. A guy like James Thompson has been completely wasted! He is a once in a generation talent and Murphy has never found out a way to win with him? That is hard to do. I'd fire Murphy after the Kansas game which should be sufficiently embarrassing enough to necessitate a change, install Mondro as interim coach and begin a search where the next coach of EMU has ties to metro Detroit and or Eastern Michigan University. We have to change the culture of this program and restore some pride. This is so unfair to anyone who has supported this university. I don't think Murphy could care less about coaching EMU in fact, he'd probably welcome and understand his firing. I don't believe he planned on being here this long. He checked out a long time ago.

Yo bobby, are sure that other coaches didnt kill the program? Lets look at the coaches since Ben Braun:
Murph:133-112
Charles Ramsey : 68-118
Jim Boone: 48-96
Milton Barnes: 62-53

Murphy is THIRD all time in wins! When did THAT happen?

Murphy is disappointing - I won't say that I don't think he shouldnt have more wins based on the talent he has. BUT to act like he is some no account bad coach is a mistake. He stabilized a program in free fall, no small task. He has wins over Purdue and Michigan (AT MICHIGAN!). I agree, the athletic department as a whole could do a better job at engaging the fan base and the 3-2 zone style isnt exactly entertaining, i dont think he's worth firing - at this point. Now maybe he ***** himself in conference. then we can talk about making a change. he's on his THIRD AD. that's wild.

Excellent analysis Dan.

Yeah lets turn over the keys to the program to a guy that has NEVER been a head coach. We can give Mondro the necessary salary supplement and also buy Murphy out at $600K. That's a wonderful plan for a cash strapped university.

Lets quit even discussing getting rid of Murphy, he is here this season and next.

We are what we are - average to above average level of play that isnt a very entertaining brand of basketball (to me at least). He recruits jucos/ transfers pretty well, he recruits metro detroit pretty well, he wins more than he loses. has a mac west division title. it's more likely he breaks through and has a good enough season to get hired away than it is that he bottoms out in a way that gets him fired. i have been wrong before though. assuming he DOESNT get fired - he ends up in the EMU athletics hall of fame.

(12-06-2018 06:31 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  Same guy that was screaming for Creighton to be fired a couple years ago. Go figure.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-666938-page-3.html

Link to Creighton’s hiring thread (didn’t want to bump it).

Some real gems in there. Most notably, a JMU fan correctly predicting that Creighton would be a great hire for us, lots of differing opinions from EMU fans, and (my favorite part) WMU fans complaining about their recent hire of PJ Fleck. Oh, and of course, Bob saying it was a terrible hire. Enjoy!

(12-06-2018 06:51 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 06:31 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  Same guy that was screaming for Creighton to be fired a couple years ago. Go figure.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-666938-page-3.html

Link to Creighton’s hiring thread (didn’t want to bump it).

Some real gems in there. Most notably, a JMU fan correctly predicting that Creighton would be a great hire for us, lots of differing opinions from EMU fans, and (my favorite part) WMU fans complaining about their recent hire of PJ Fleck. Oh, and of course, Bob saying it was a terrible hire. Enjoy!

Fun to see this page of quotes.

As far as Babers, I had heard he said yes and then BG came open, and he flipped...

My quote was to the effect the best man for the job is the best man, whomever he is.

There is no textbook for hiring a head coach. Heather deserves all the credit in the world for hiring a top notch manager-coach.

There is a lot more to coaching a FBS team/running a program than Xs and Os. As some have mentioned, if one was hiring a department manager CC would be a strong candidate.

(12-06-2018 06:51 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 06:31 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  Same guy that was screaming for Creighton to be fired a couple years ago. Go figure.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-666938-page-3.html

Link to Creighton’s hiring thread (didn’t want to bump it).

Some real gems in there. Most notably, a JMU fan correctly predicting that Creighton would be a great hire for us, lots of differing opinions from EMU fans, and (my favorite part) WMU fans complaining about their recent hire of PJ Fleck. Oh, and of course, Bob saying it was a terrible hire. Enjoy!

GREAT POST SAM! Bob has his hand on the pulse of college athletics for sure. Lets replace Murphy now with a coach that is worthy in his view. Are their any coaches out there that won a "coach of the year' over 10 ten years ago when they inherited a team from their father and have managed to only have 3 conference records over .500 since. If so lets hire them immediately.

(12-06-2018 06:43 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 06:31 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  Same guy that was screaming for Creighton to be fired a couple years ago. Go figure.

And promised that he would NEVER make a bowl game. Now we are going to our second bowl in three years. Bob ain’t exactly Nostradamus.

Nostradumbazzzz

Wonder what happened to Rachwal?

You guys can bag on Bob all you want. He’s earned it.

But the defense of Murphy is bizarre and sad.

(12-06-2018 09:11 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Wonder what happened to Rachwal?

Was thinking the same thing. Hope hoopster is alright.

(12-06-2018 07:32 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 06:51 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 06:31 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  Same guy that was screaming for Creighton to be fired a couple years ago. Go figure.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-666938-page-3.html

Link to Creighton’s hiring thread (didn’t want to bump it).

Some real gems in there. Most notably, a JMU fan correctly predicting that Creighton would be a great hire for us, lots of differing opinions from EMU fans, and (my favorite part) WMU fans complaining about their recent hire of PJ Fleck. Oh, and of course, Bob saying it was a terrible hire. Enjoy!

GREAT POST SAM! Bob has his hand on the pulse of college athletics for sure. Lets replace Murphy now with a coach that is worthy in his view. Are their any coaches out there that won a "coach of the year' over 10 ten years ago when they inherited a team from their father and have managed to only have 3 conference records over .500 since. If so lets hire them immediately.

The coach you are supporting set an NCAA record with 4 points scored in a half of Division I basketball. I repeat, he coached a team that scored 4 points in a half. Four points in a half of basketball...in the shot clock era. I mean...what is the definition of incompetence? There is nowhere to go but up.