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Free Throw Shooting
After going 20-22 from the FT line yesterday, Drexel as a team is now shooting 78% for the season, and is tied for 15th in the country with Lafayette.

This is remarkable considering so many Drexel teams of recent years have been terrible from the line.

However, individually, Drexel doesn't have anybody ranked in the top 100.

They've got some great FT shooting competition in the CAA thus far. Hofstra is 4th in the country at 80.8% while Northeastern is tied for 8th at 79.7%.
12-02-2018 01:51 PM
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(12-02-2018 01:51 PM)J.B. Wrote:  They've got some great FT shooting competition in the CAA thus far. Hofstra is 4th in the country at 80.8% while Northeastern is tied for 8th at 79.7%.
I knew about Hofstra and Northeastern. Thank you for pointing Drexel out. Among teams who are second in their conference, Northeastern leads at .797, and the next best is Ole Miss at .788. They trail Mississippi State, who is at .798. Among teams who are third in their conference, Drexel leads at .780, and the next best is .757 by San Diego. San Diego is third in the West Coast behind Loyola Marymount and Pepperdine. Delaware was fourth in the CAA and tied with San Diego, but that's using ESPN before Delaware's percentage got worse today. Delaware fell from .757 to .752, which gave the title of best by a team that is fourth in its conference to St. Mary's at .753.

The CAA is shooting .739. Last season the NCAA broke the season record for best percentage at .713. Before today, the median this season was .693. The West Coast, who as my previous paragraph says have teams shooting well, is at .734. Without checking every conference, the CAA could be the best conference at shooting free throws.
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Pretty fascinating stat about the how the NCAA broke the FT% record last year. I wonder what is driving that. I've always thought that FT shooting should be much better for Division I athletes who are among the best players in the country who have been playing their whole lives.
12-03-2018 10:29 AM
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We are fourth nationally in FT% defense. Probably mostly a luck thing, but I suppose a team could be good at choosing to foul poor FT shooters but somehow I doubt that is it.

It is interesting that one of the teams above us in free throw % defense is Rutgers who benefited from our 7 for 14 shooting against them. Take that game out and our offensive number would go up to over 81% and good enough for third.
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(12-03-2018 11:51 PM)Water Boy Wrote:  We are fourth nationally in FT% defense. Probably mostly a luck thing, but I suppose a team could be good at choosing to foul poor FT shooters but somehow I doubt that is it.

It is interesting that one of the teams above us in free throw % defense is Rutgers who benefited from our 7 for 14 shooting against them. Take that game out and our offensive number would go up to over 81% and good enough for third.

I had this same debate in my head. I think its a combination of luck and scouting. From interacting with Spiker I feel like he gets a good grasp on who he is up against. I have no doubt that "who to foul" is part of that formula.. He showed us that against Delaware either last year or the year before I forget which.
12-04-2018 06:43 AM
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I wish FT% defense was given as a statistic, but it isn't. It's easy to go to individual pages for the ten CAA teams, but it's not something you would want to do separately for the 353 Division I teams. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...-throw-pct has it as a statistic, but they only include games between two Division I teams, so it won't match other pages for a team that has played a non-Division I team. Delaware (341st) and Towson (345th) are at the opposite end with their opponents have shot FTs great. Delaware must be among the leaders in combined FT% at .747, but there's no easy way to find that out.
12-04-2018 08:09 AM
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(12-04-2018 06:43 AM)MedicSBK Wrote:  
(12-03-2018 11:51 PM)Water Boy Wrote:  We are fourth nationally in FT% defense. Probably mostly a luck thing, but I suppose a team could be good at choosing to foul poor FT shooters but somehow I doubt that is it.

It is interesting that one of the teams above us in free throw % defense is Rutgers who benefited from our 7 for 14 shooting against them. Take that game out and our offensive number would go up to over 81% and good enough for third.

I had this same debate in my head. I think its a combination of luck and scouting. From interacting with Spiker I feel like he gets a good grasp on who he is up against. I have no doubt that "who to foul" is part of that formula.. He showed us that against Delaware either last year or the year before I forget which.

I'm sure that there is some small element of coaching but I would think it is mostly luck. One thing that would lead me to this conclusion is looking at the 2017 stats that are together with this years stats on that site that Evan pointed out. At the end of the year, there is a fairly narrow band in which teams fall - much more so than at this point in the season. Also if you look at the top teams currently, they were not necessarily top teams last year. You would think if you could consistently coach it, there would be some continuity across years.

That is not to say that coaching can't help, especially in end of game situations. In the Bowling Green game, we were fouling at the end and had them miss three front end of bonuses in a row, if that was based on intentionally fouling certain guys, you would have to give props to the staff. However, most of the time you're not trying to foul. If you could have your guys not trying to foul, but playing more aggressive defense versus poor foul shooters compared to good ones, that would be an impressive coaching achievement.
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It is very nice to have a good free throw shooting team. Especially since our past, under Bruiser, it was a liability. The problem with FT shooting is that it is an unheralded trait and usually unnoticeable unless something goes wrong, or a shot is missed at a crucial time. This is a good thread to point out something very important, while it is going right and mostly unnoticed.
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bruiser's indiana team benefited from penn state shooting 11-26 from the line last night.

11-26!

many a debate was had on here over the years about free throw shooting. bruiser might have taken us to a championship if we corrected that one area alone. patrick chambers is going to have a hard time getting penn state into the tournament if they stay around 65% as a team.
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22 for 25 tonight from the line. It was probably the difference maker in tonight's win as it was in some other games as well. FT shooting can take a mediocre team and make them good (I think this is the case with this year's team). It can make a good team great. And with Bruiser's teams, they had some very talented teams that had unnecessary losses added on due to their inability at the FT line.
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Drexel is now 10th in the country in FT shooting at .793. Hofstra is tied for 5th and Northeastern is tied for 8th.

Ironically, La Salle is 17th in the country, and they still haven't won a game, and have also lost to some Patriot League teams. So here's an example that goes against the theory of how FT shooting can win games for a team.
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FT shooting does not win you games. It keeps you in games, it keeps you from losing games. That is why it is an unheralded stat. Its important but mostly goes unnoticed if you make them. It only goes noticed when you miss them.
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Spiker answering a question about FT "defense" after last night's game.
https://youtu.be/Gy4_kqNbPBg
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(12-06-2018 10:13 AM)Water Boy Wrote:  Spiker answering a question about FT "defense" after last night's game.
https://youtu.be/Gy4_kqNbPBg

I got the DAC Pack answer I was looking for with that question but I also was wondering about scouting too.. Spiker and his guys seem to scout their opponents very well.
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Spiker said the right answer, even if it wasn't necessarily the right answer. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Drexel has been playing a lot of very mediocre teams thus far. Crowd noise can be a factor too. So is scouting. So is luck.

DAC Pack already posted that quote on their Facebook page, and I think it's great that they're promoting their ability to make a difference in the games.
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That is how it works. It takes buy in from all parties: Coaches, Players, Students, Administration. If all are on the same page trying to get the same result, it makes for a better product. Spiker wants a strong student turn out so it makes sense for him to give shout outs and help promote them. Same with players (which we have seen in the past too). All of those comments from administration, coaches and players should get posted and used by the DAC Pack to help grow. That is called teamwork.
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(12-06-2018 12:37 PM)J.B. Wrote:  Spiker said the right answer, even if it wasn't necessarily the right answer. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Drexel has been playing a lot of very mediocre teams thus far. Crowd noise can be a factor too. So is scouting. So is luck.

DAC Pack already posted that quote on their Facebook page, and I think it's great that they're promoting their ability to make a difference in the games.

FT% rank of our opponents thus far: 352, 341, 16, 298, 323, 278, 122 and 154
Definitely not a murderer's row.

D1 opponents at home by half:
1st - 18/30 .600
2nd - 17/36 .472
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(12-06-2018 01:59 PM)DrachenFire Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 12:37 PM)J.B. Wrote:  Spiker said the right answer, even if it wasn't necessarily the right answer. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Drexel has been playing a lot of very mediocre teams thus far. Crowd noise can be a factor too. So is scouting. So is luck.

DAC Pack already posted that quote on their Facebook page, and I think it's great that they're promoting their ability to make a difference in the games.

FT% rank of our opponents thus far: 352, 341, 16, 298, 323, 278, 122 and 154
Definitely not a murderer's row.

D1 opponents at home by half:
1st - 18/30 .600
2nd - 17/36 .472

Seems like good adjustments on our FT defense at half time. Kudos to the coaching staff.
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(12-06-2018 09:22 AM)dan10 Wrote:  FT shooting does not win you games. It keeps you in games, it keeps you from losing games. That is why it is an unheralded stat. Its important but mostly goes unnoticed if you make them. It only goes noticed when you miss them.
It reminds me of offensive linemen only getting noticed for penalties.
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(12-02-2018 09:34 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  The CAA is shooting .739. Last season the NCAA broke the season record for best percentage at .713. Before today, the median this season was .693. The West Coast, who as my previous paragraph says have teams shooting well, is at .734. Without checking every conference, the CAA could be the best conference at shooting free throws.
I'm quoting myself to say that the CAA leads at .73144, and the West Coast is at .73143.
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