(12-07-2018 03:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:24 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Every FBS program deserves an opportunity to play for a national title each season. To deny that to certain schools means you have created an unfair and unjust system...

And FBS college football is the ONLY game that does that. Other levels, other sports - you have a shot.

Okay... But that's always been the case. BCS too... Why are G5 lifers mad now?

Plus the AAC fans boast P6 then come here and ask for help? They say we are G5 again? Which is it??

(12-07-2018 04:18 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 03:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:24 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Every FBS program deserves an opportunity to play for a national title each season. To deny that to certain schools means you have created an unfair and unjust system...

And FBS college football is the ONLY game that does that. Other levels, other sports - you have a shot.

Okay... But that's always been the case. BCS too... Why are G5 lifers mad now?

Plus the AAC fans boast P6 then come here and ask for help? They say we are G5 again? Which is it??

What do you mean "mad now"? Yes, we've always had the short end of the stick. Does that make it okay?

I think part of it though is that they bill these final games as a "playoff" which is absurd and is basically just turning the knife.

Are they asking for help from us? We don't get a vote in any of this.

(12-07-2018 05:12 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 04:18 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 03:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:24 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Every FBS program deserves an opportunity to play for a national title each season. To deny that to certain schools means you have created an unfair and unjust system...

And FBS college football is the ONLY game that does that. Other levels, other sports - you have a shot.

Okay... But that's always been the case. BCS too... Why are G5 lifers mad now?

Plus the AAC fans boast P6 then come here and ask for help? They say we are G5 again? Which is it??

What do you mean "mad now"? Yes, we've always had the short end of the stick. Does that make it okay?

I think part of it though is that they bill these final games as a "playoff" which is absurd and is basically just turning the knife.

Are they asking for help from us? We don't get a vote in any of this.

Yes the OP was asking us to voice our opinions to our ADs... Personally beating Auburn in the Peach or LSU in the Fiesta would be plenty good enough for my rockets. I understand that my teams schedule isn't top 4 worthy
Self claiming a national title makes P5 fans even more mad than getting a shot at Alabama to get rolled by 48.

UCFs future schedules are
2019: FAMU, FAU, Pitt, Stanford.
2020: UNC, GT...

They NEED undefeated Navy or a really gaudy record AAC West champion to help their case. If not, then blow everyone out like Bama did and that's all you can do.

(12-07-2018 01:41 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:58 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 09:31 AM)george14 Wrote:  I root for the G5 but UCF had a disgraceful schedule this year. They played no one and last year shouldn't matter for this year. Their schedule was similar to WMU's in 2016 where they killed it, but also played scrubs.

Yawn.

We slaughtered a team that played for the ACC title. Destroyed a Top 25 team. Beat a very good Memphis team, TWICE, that literally threw everything at us. Beat a very good Temple team that slaughtered Maryland. Beat down USF on their home turf; a USF team that beat both Georgia Techa nd Illinois.

Oh by the way, that same Pitt team that UCF could have beat 65-7 had Notre Dame pinned in the 4th quarter and only lost by 5.

It's also not our fault that FAU decided to fall on their face and not live up to expectations.

You make good points, let me disect the argument...

Transitives are all over the place... connecting the dots isn't as important when you have final resumes to look at. Any boasting over Maryland is non sense... They were 5-7.

You slaughtered Pitt... Good win. They are 7-6. They won a division in an odd off year for the Coastal. Akron beat BIG10 West Champ Northwestern, that doesn't mean the Zips are good.

Memphis and Temple and UC are good wins. But in a league like the ACC, those wins don't compare to Syracuse, Miami U, Clemson, whoever you want to put in there with more depth and athlete's than top tier AAC teams. ***By the way our 3 loss MAC East Champ beat Temple. That's a good argument that most G5 leagues have teams that can compete with the top of the AAC. (UCF excluded probably).***

It's not UCFs fault that FAU isn't good... you are right. But the in-conference comparison to any P5 league is the pitfall. Total SOS by any metric puts UCF behind the 8 ball. Without Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin etc. week after week after week, then paired with mid level P5 and G5 games OOC??? You just arent in the conversation for the national title.

I believe UCF would win a couple P5 divisions. But they'd probably resemble more of a Utah or Iowa State than Clemson or Alabama. Even if you are as good as Washington or Texas you are firmly out of this conversation for top 4. Even if UCF ran the table with Washington's schedule, THAT wouldn't be top 4 worthy. Auburn, Oregon, WAZZU and Utah are their best foes. It's certainly not better than Oklahomas wins. Clemson? Perhaps.

This brings me back to the main argument. The 4 teams in the playoff beat every single team they played. Oklahoma avenged it's loss... Take the 4 best wins of everyone...
Oklahoma: Iowa State, Texas, WVU, Oklahoma State/ Baylor.
Clemson: TAMU, Pitt, Syracuse, BC
Alabama: TAMU, LSU, Georgia, Miss State.
ND: Stanford, Syracuse, Pitt, Michigan
UCF: Memphis x2, UC, Pitt

Is it really that hard to figure out why UCF isn't in the top 4??

Do you want 8 teams? Beating Auburn last year and doing it this year vs LSU would be a compelling argument for UCF. (I think UCF will pound LSU), but that's a team who didn't even score on Alabama. The entire point of a 4 team playoff is to see who is #1. IMO UCF doesn't have an argument because about 12 teams would be undefeated with UCFs schedule.... Sorry.

The entire life of college football up until 2014 was not fair for the little guy.... What's changed? We weren't in the top 2 then and we aren't in top 4 now. Houston had a CHANCE a couple years ago with Louisville, and TT and Standard or whoever they played. Navy and Temple being good helped as well. It's not impossible for a G5 team to get in, but it has to be a perfect storm.

Sorry but this is nonsense. The transitive property is PERFECTLY applicable in a given season because it's a good gauge on comparing 2 teams who don't actually play eachother.

ND played Pitt literally 2 weeks after UCF. The results could not have been more different. ND struggled HEAVILY with Pitt at home, whereas UCF had the game won by the 2nd quarter.

Then there's the fact that Clemson beat Pitt by basically the same margin as UCF. But ho hum, who cares right?

Honestly, drop this idiotic scheduling talk for a second and just go back to the Peach Bowl. UCF was faster and stronger than Auburn at almost every position. Milton played his worst half of football in the 1st half due to nerves; if he's himself that game is a blowout. He missed 2 open TD throws.

That's an Auburn team that beat both Bama and UGA. And yet no rationale person who watched our game could say that UCF wasn't every bit more talented than Auburn.

So sure- let's piss and moan about UCF's schedule while ignoring the fact that we 100% had a team that could have competed in last year's CFP and could have done so again this year.

If this sham, pathetic system created a REAL expanded playoff, we'd be in 100%. The fact that this idiot system thinks 4 teams is a Playoff is the issue.

(12-07-2018 03:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:24 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Every FBS program deserves an opportunity to play for a national title each season. To deny that to certain schools means you have created an unfair and unjust system...

And FBS college football is the ONLY game that does that. Other levels, other sports - you have a shot.

Yet every conference including the MAC signed off on this playoff format.

(12-08-2018 11:37 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 03:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:24 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Every FBS program deserves an opportunity to play for a national title each season. To deny that to certain schools means you have created an unfair and unjust system...

And FBS college football is the ONLY game that does that. Other levels, other sports - you have a shot.

Yet every conference including the MAC signed off on this playoff format.

They didn't know at the time the committee would be so iron clad on strength of schedule. They were supposed to give other components equal weight but they didn't.

(12-04-2018 08:33 PM)Big Redd Wrote:  Nobody wants to see Alabama UCF slaughter every year. Now a first round UCF vs West Virginia or Washington sounds good.

Actually the G5 squaring up against the #1 team is a very contestable game because you are talking about the number 1 team in the country having to get through a Top 10 to Top 15 team.

This is completely different than the 16 seeds in the NCAA tournament which might not be even a Top 150 team and with DIII athletes have an improbable chance of earning a win.

(12-07-2018 04:18 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 03:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:24 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Every FBS program deserves an opportunity to play for a national title each season. To deny that to certain schools means you have created an unfair and unjust system...

And FBS college football is the ONLY game that does that. Other levels, other sports - you have a shot.

Okay... But that's always been the case. BCS too... Why are G5 lifers mad now?

The BS committee. They are ranking the G5 super low because of SOS that can't be helped because someone has to be the 6th, 7th or 8th best conference.

If they instead said every undefeated team would automatically have a shot in the playoff it would be more acceptable IMO.

Quote:ND played Pitt literally 2 weeks after UCF. The results could not have been more different. ND struggled HEAVILY with Pitt at home, whereas UCF had the game won by the 2nd quarter.

ND struggled to put Ball State away. Ended up winning by only a TD. Couldn't run away with it at all. Sure, early in the season you can sort of compare / contrast games like that to see how good Ball State is VS ND's other opponents... because there's nothing else to go on. But when the season's winding down, you don't want to rely on it all. ND was asleep at the wheel that game, and BSU was on-point geared up for it.

Quote:I believe UCF would win a couple P5 divisions. But they'd probably resemble more of a Utah or Iowa State than Clemson or Alabama.

I agree. UCF, IMO, was better last year. Their SoS this year is not so strong. The UNC game on their schedule wasn't a "tough" game. It was more an opportunity for any G5 destined to be 9+ wins that year, a victory that looks good (over P5) but not challenging. UCF's SoS was down this year, and the only reason they're ranked So high this year, was because of Last year. If Last year they were a 7-5 team, they'd be ranked #14 or so right now.

(12-08-2018 11:13 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 01:41 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:58 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 09:31 AM)george14 Wrote:  I root for the G5 but UCF had a disgraceful schedule this year. They played no one and last year shouldn't matter for this year. Their schedule was similar to WMU's in 2016 where they killed it, but also played scrubs.

Yawn.

We slaughtered a team that played for the ACC title. Destroyed a Top 25 team. Beat a very good Memphis team, TWICE, that literally threw everything at us. Beat a very good Temple team that slaughtered Maryland. Beat down USF on their home turf; a USF team that beat both Georgia Techa nd Illinois.

Oh by the way, that same Pitt team that UCF could have beat 65-7 had Notre Dame pinned in the 4th quarter and only lost by 5.

It's also not our fault that FAU decided to fall on their face and not live up to expectations.

You make good points, let me disect the argument...

Transitives are all over the place... connecting the dots isn't as important when you have final resumes to look at. Any boasting over Maryland is non sense... They were 5-7.

You slaughtered Pitt... Good win. They are 7-6. They won a division in an odd off year for the Coastal. Akron beat BIG10 West Champ Northwestern, that doesn't mean the Zips are good.

Memphis and Temple and UC are good wins. But in a league like the ACC, those wins don't compare to Syracuse, Miami U, Clemson, whoever you want to put in there with more depth and athlete's than top tier AAC teams. ***By the way our 3 loss MAC East Champ beat Temple. That's a good argument that most G5 leagues have teams that can compete with the top of the AAC. (UCF excluded probably).***

It's not UCFs fault that FAU isn't good... you are right. But the in-conference comparison to any P5 league is the pitfall. Total SOS by any metric puts UCF behind the 8 ball. Without Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin etc. week after week after week, then paired with mid level P5 and G5 games OOC??? You just arent in the conversation for the national title.

I believe UCF would win a couple P5 divisions. But they'd probably resemble more of a Utah or Iowa State than Clemson or Alabama. Even if you are as good as Washington or Texas you are firmly out of this conversation for top 4. Even if UCF ran the table with Washington's schedule, THAT wouldn't be top 4 worthy. Auburn, Oregon, WAZZU and Utah are their best foes. It's certainly not better than Oklahomas wins. Clemson? Perhaps.

This brings me back to the main argument. The 4 teams in the playoff beat every single team they played. Oklahoma avenged it's loss... Take the 4 best wins of everyone...
Oklahoma: Iowa State, Texas, WVU, Oklahoma State/ Baylor.
Clemson: TAMU, Pitt, Syracuse, BC
Alabama: TAMU, LSU, Georgia, Miss State.
ND: Stanford, Syracuse, Pitt, Michigan
UCF: Memphis x2, UC, Pitt

Is it really that hard to figure out why UCF isn't in the top 4??

Do you want 8 teams? Beating Auburn last year and doing it this year vs LSU would be a compelling argument for UCF. (I think UCF will pound LSU), but that's a team who didn't even score on Alabama. The entire point of a 4 team playoff is to see who is #1. IMO UCF doesn't have an argument because about 12 teams would be undefeated with UCFs schedule.... Sorry.

The entire life of college football up until 2014 was not fair for the little guy.... What's changed? We weren't in the top 2 then and we aren't in top 4 now. Houston had a CHANCE a couple years ago with Louisville, and TT and Standard or whoever they played. Navy and Temple being good helped as well. It's not impossible for a G5 team to get in, but it has to be a perfect storm.

Sorry but this is nonsense. The transitive property is PERFECTLY applicable in a given season because it's a good gauge on comparing 2 teams who don't actually play eachother.

ND played Pitt literally 2 weeks after UCF. The results could not have been more different. ND struggled HEAVILY with Pitt at home, whereas UCF had the game won by the 2nd quarter.

Then there's the fact that Clemson beat Pitt by basically the same margin as UCF. But ho hum, who cares right?

Honestly, drop this idiotic scheduling talk for a second and just go back to the Peach Bowl. UCF was faster and stronger than Auburn at almost every position. Milton played his worst half of football in the 1st half due to nerves; if he's himself that game is a blowout. He missed 2 open TD throws.

That's an Auburn team that beat both Bama and UGA. And yet no rationale person who watched our game could say that UCF wasn't every bit more talented than Auburn.

So sure- let's piss and moan about UCF's schedule while ignoring the fact that we 100% had a team that could have competed in last year's CFP and could have done so again this year.

If this sham, pathetic system created a REAL expanded playoff, we'd be in 100%. The fact that this idiot system thinks 4 teams is a Playoff is the issue.

The number 8 team never was in a discussion for the top FBS spot thru 50? 60? years and now we think they should get a chance in a mini playoff to knock off number 1??? Those teams have 2 losses that far back! Sorry. 4 is a plenty.

The G5 isn't excluded if they either run a very tough OOC paired with a decent league, OR a bunch of teams with losses with their leagues. 4... FOUR TEAMS, beat everyone on their schedule with a tougher SOS this year. If you want to plead that UCF is 5th? Go for it. That's a reasonable argument. NDs best win was Michigan, then Syracuse then Pitt/Stanford. UCFs was Pitt, who ND also beat.

If (a) team beats 3 teams better than (b) teams best win, which is a common opponent...you can definitely argue, that when you grind a schedule, the win itself is more important than the margin. Pitt was UCFs Superbowl! Good win!!! For ND it was just another game. That Matters...

Here are the schedules with Massey Composite as an indicator of quality wins. Point margin doesnt matter because the ranking systems already use those metrics to rank the teams outright. Example if a team is ranked #1 and play the before ranked #25 team close in point margin, #25 likely doesn't fall because they were supposed to lose worse. If #25 gets blown out they fall and their new ranking is #35 to reflect the bad game. This happened to Pitt when they lost to UCF badly, and then they moved up a tad with their close game to ND. Their now #38 rank reflects both games and point margin doesn't matter.

4 ND:
7 Michigan
111 Ball State
42 Vandy
58 Wake
24 Stanford
70 VT
38 Pitt
100 Navy
34 Northwestern
73 FSU
22 Syracuse
67 USC

8 UCF:
129 UConn
Unranked SC State
95 FAU
38 Pitt
96 SMU
56 Memphis
113 ECU
40 Temple
100 Navy
28 UC
80 USF
56 Memphis

Both teams are unbeaten. How do you think UCF deserves to get in to the top 4? Or compete with #1?? IMO Notre Dame schedule isn't even comparable with Alabama and shouldn't have a good claim to #1 either.

Comparing those 2 resumes comes to one conclusion for me. Does ND go 12-0 against UCFs schedule? I say yes. Cincy is the most in question but seeing they beat #7 Michigan and #22 Syracuse, I say yes. Does UCF go undefeated against ND's schedule? I say it's possible, but far more in question because they haven't played a caliber team of both Michigan and Syracuse and ND has more meat on their schedule mixed in.... Not 6 games sub 95th in the country.

Quote:Comparing those 2 resumes comes to one conclusion for me. Does ND go 12-0 against UCFs schedule? I say yes. Cincy is the most in question but seeing they beat #7 Michigan and #22 Syracuse, I say yes. Does UCF go undefeated against ND's schedule? I say it's possible, but far more in question because they haven't played a caliber team of both Michigan and Syracuse and ND has more meat on their schedule mixed in.... Not 6 games sub 95th in the country.

I agree. Say in a year or so, we have an undefeated Alabama, ND, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Clemson. Not all of them can make it.

Point is: Just because you're undefeated, does not mean you're getting into the Top 4. You have 5 P5 Conference Champs who could potentially be undefeated, + Notre Dame as an additional possibility. And a Top G5 Champ as an additional possibility (and possibly an extra).

You can't complain about them being "denied" a spot in the Top 2 Bowls for the Top 4 teams (where winners play in Nat Champ). If so, you have to contend how their SoS + margin of victory Is In Fact better than the alleged 4th-best. That's what, say, Oklahoma or Ohio State would have to do if 3 other teams were undefeated, too.

Boost up your SoS a lot if you want to have a shot at the Top 2 Bowls for the Top 4 teams. Don't boost your SoS too much if you want the best chance to make the G5 Access Bowl. You don't want to have a not-horrible but not great game against Ohio State and lose by 20, and still lose a close one to West Virginia while beating a bowl-bound Pitt and a good-level G5 -- while an undefeated G5 from the MW (or other conf with a decent SoS) makes it in, instead.

Be happy with your Access Bowl. Eat your cookie and smile! :)

(12-08-2018 11:13 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Sorry but this is nonsense. The transitive property is PERFECTLY applicable in a given season because it's a good gauge on comparing 2 teams who don't actually play each other.

False. So much false. But cool story.

Yes it's a bogus system, like basketball all conference champs should have a bid because every other team sport in and out of college do so. But that doesn't mean UCF is deserving of a place in the CFP or is one of the best four teams in the nation, even if a basically unaccountable committee of biased individuals is the sole determinant of placement.

(12-09-2018 07:09 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Yes it's a bogus system, like basketball all conference champs should have a bid because every other team sport in and out of college do so. But that doesn't mean UCF is deserving of a place in the CFP or is one of the best four teams in the nation, even if a basically unaccountable committee of biased individuals is the sole determinant of placement.

It also doesn't mean that they aren't... That's why it's so hard to have a top 4 based on resume because there isn't a round Robbin of teams. Lots of people think Georgia is a top 4 team. I think UCF would beat ND on a neutral field. But I also think UCF loses a couple games with NDs schedule. UCF is the ultimate one game team. They will always get up for the biggest game when P5ers are likely to overlook them. Now UCF has those struggle bus games with lower AAC teams because it's just hard to come out and have 100% every game.

(12-09-2018 07:34 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 07:09 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Yes it's a bogus system, like basketball all conference champs should have a bid because every other team sport in and out of college do so. But that doesn't mean UCF is deserving of a place in the CFP or is one of the best four teams in the nation, even if a basically unaccountable committee of biased individuals is the sole determinant of placement.

It also doesn't mean that they aren't... That's why it's so hard to have a top 4 based on resume because there isn't a round Robbin of teams. Lots of people think Georgia is a top 4 team. I think UCF would beat ND on a neutral field. But I also think UCF loses a couple games with NDs schedule. UCF is the ultimate one game team. They will always get up for the biggest game when P5ers are likely to overlook them. Now UCF has those struggle bus games with lower AAC teams because it's just hard to come out and have 100% every game.

UCF I believe from a talent perspective is equivalent to an 8-4 type P5 team but on a schedule without Alabama/Clemson level opponents is able to go undefeated.

They definitely were not that impressive this year in a lot of games.

(12-08-2018 11:13 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  So sure- let's piss and moan about UCF's schedule while ignoring the fact that we 100% had a team that could have competed in last year's CFP and could have done so again this year.

Ah, so a supporter of a team believes with confidence that they 100% have a team that could have competed in last year's CFP or this year's. Wow, that is conclusive proof ... ???

No, it's not. You prove the claim by scheduling teams OOC that force the claim to be recognized when you beat them. That's how TCU and Boise State did it, that's how FSU did it before them.

Quote:UCF is the ultimate one game team. They will always get up for the biggest game when P5ers are likely to overlook them.

I don't think most P5s over-look them, though. Half the P5 teams won't overlook a G5 conference contender like NIU, UCF, Memphis, Houston, SDSU, Boise, etc when they just had a great year + are expected to have a good year said year.

Also, when you're in the MW or AAC -- a very large % of the Top Half of P5 teams aren't going to overlook their consistent big-name teams who are/expected to have an Access Bowl run. No more than overlooking 8-4 teams in their own conference they 'should' (knock on wood) beat, even with high confidence.

Quote:UCF I believe from a talent perspective is equivalent to an 8-4 type P5 team but on a schedule without Alabama/Clemson level opponents is able to go undefeated.

An 8-4 P5 team with a tough schedule & setup, yes. But not all P5s have the same SoS though, which makes that a bit tricky. With UCF's new replacement QB still having questions unanswered, I would put them on the level right now of an 8-4 P5 team who didn't have a tough schedule. If they had their original QB -- I'd say a 9-3 P5 team with a decently tough schedule. But if their QB shines thru in their bowl game -- then I'd say they ended up on-par with how they were with the original QB.

The complaint about UCF not being in the Top 4 is not much different than a scenario with the B12 without a conference championship game, who had an easy-as-hell OOC schedule while it not being the year of the B12 by any means. An undefeated ND+Alabama+Clemson getting in, plus a 1L Ohio State or USC would be understandable.

If UCF had a tougher SoS this year with a Big P5 Win, they'd still come up short. If UCF did so, while their weaker wins were much Stronger -- then I'd say it'd push for an expanded playoff. Problem is, this is Not the year that it pushes for one. It just makes one think about it -- and that thinking will disappear from those up there in the NCAA if UCF loses their bowl.

I like the idea of all Conf Champs having an opportunity to be included in a playoff. It'd make the Top seeds have an easy into game.

Problem is, people aren't going to travel to all these neutral-site bowls. It'd have to be home-field advantage places.

Another problem is, that's 10 teams + 1 potential (ND/Army/UMass/Liberty) by high-enough-rank. Which means there'd be 1-2 extra teams coming in. 12-team playoff wouldn't be that bad, but instead of the Current 12 NY-Bowl teams, you'd instead have about 4 "undeserving" of it (NIU, UAB, App State, and #22 Fresno), not being near the Top 12.

So I think it'd be Silly to expect all-conf winners to make it to a real Playoff when it comes about. All P5 winners? Yeah. All G5s? No, pipe dream.

Which is why at best, it'd be 12, not 8 -- just changing the NY Bowls into a 12-team playoff, which always includes a Top G5 winner. Or if going to 8, at the cost of 50% less teams being in the spotlight, they'd have to push to include a G5 Conf winner to be more allowing (Top 16) and have a stipulation on a P5 winner having to have to be Top 16 to get an auto-bid as well.

The System is what it is.

(12-10-2018 09:43 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The System is what it is.

And the contract for the 4-team playoff runs through 2026. The only discussion about changing it comes from message board fans and sports talk media. The people who actually control it have no impetus to change it. Furthermore, there still has been no talk about the major restructuring of the bowl system any change would require: there is a lot of allegiance to the old bowl committees who have consistently lobbied for the status quo.

I know there are a lot of ways to make an 8-12-16 team playoff work and a lot of people like to discuss those ways. But almost certainly, what we have now is what we will have for the next eight years.

The 4 team playoff has already diluted the meaning of all the other bowls. An 8 team playoff would exponentially hurt the other bowls that much more. I'm actually in favor of a 8 team playoff, but it's understandable why all the bowl committees don't want to see it happen.