So looking at games this week by NET ratings...
Tuesday-
342 UMES @ 29 St John's
249 Charleston Southern @ 99 Marquette
297 Fairleigh Dickinson @ 115 Providence

Wednesday-
139 Miami (OH) @ 101 Xavier
263 Richmond @ 76 Georgetown
281 Cleveland St @ 78 DePaul
52 Montana @ 36 Creighton

Saturday-
117 Louisville @ 85 Seton Hall
215 Oakland @ 101 Xavier
29 St John's vs 81 Ga Tech
5 Gonzaga @ 36 Creighton
24 Kansas St @ 99 Marquette
38 Villanova @ 336 La Salle
46 Butler @ 62 Saint Louis
160 Rhode Island @ 115 Providence

Nice overall night for the Big East last night.

Marquette, St. Johns and Providence all win - going 3-0. Penn State (DePaul), Wisconsin (Marquette) and Louisville (Marquette) all won last night, helping the SOS, RPI and NET for a number of our programs.

people need to stop using the RPI like it means anything. It's a dead metric. I said it on the other site and I'll say it here...

Also, conversely, Indiana(Marquette, Butler) and Illinois(Georgetown, Xavier) both lost.

So, two opponents for Marquette winning (Wisconsin and Louisville) is still bad because one opponent (Indiana) lost. Got it. Carry on.

(11-28-2018 11:53 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  So, two opponents for Marquette winning (Wisconsin and Louisville) is still bad because one opponent (Indiana) lost. Got it. Carry on.

I said on the other site(not been approved yet) for Marquette- it's pretty much meaningless. If Marquette with their schedule gets 19 wins, they are going to the tourney.

Opponents matter far more to someone like St John's. With their PUTRID OOC schedule- they need all the help they can get. Like tonight's game with Miami/Rutgers- Seton Hall has Miami. It'd be far better for the Big East to have Miami lose this game even though it'd hurt Seton Hall some because SH has the much better schedule....

so after last nights games....
St John's- moves up to 18 from 29
Marquette- moves up to 88 from 99
Providence- drops down to 122 from 115

billyjack isn't going to like that much.....

As a whole- Big East up in 2 days from 70.2 to 64.1.

so saw on other board adoraz talking about St John's and their jump up by playing UMES.... I'll pretty much repeat it here- and encourage folks to post here for a more real time conversation.... (glad I did so folks can actually see it)

I think one thing that happened to help you out was Temple got a big win at Missouri. Just looking with that- VCU- up from 51 to 43. Cal- up from 240 to 230. So that would make some difference.... Also, teams that were just ahead of you lost. Pitt/NC State come to mind.

Saw that back on Monday- the top team with no road/neutral wins was all the way down at #18. So this system definitely values those wins. Given Temple was neutral site for both VCU/Cal- that would be big...

lol, I sure called the Rutgers/Miami thing didn't I? Huge help for St John's.....

but then not so much help from VCU who got beat by 10 by Old Dominion.....

REALLY impressed by Creighton tonight. Thought this could be a trap game. But 79-61 with 8 minutes to go...

While I'm happy to see St. John's move up to 18, there's no way they've played anywhere close to being the 18th best team in the country. I still remain skeptical the committee will weigh this new rating system as heavily as some people think.

(11-28-2018 10:32 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  While I'm happy to see St. John's move up to 18, there's no way they've played anywhere close to being the 18th best team in the country. I still remain skeptical the committee will weigh this new rating system as heavily as some people think.

It doesn't seem like it for St John's- but how many teams have a road win against a team who hasn't lost otherwise(and tonight's win over Miami 1st time they didn't win by at least 10 points), and 2 neutral site wins- 1 of them that before tonight was also undefeated otherwise? That's a pretty decent start to the resume..... 18 seems high- but in my mind, I can kind of see it.....

I think at worst the committee will weigh this new system as much as the RPI. But more importantly, it'll also be what's used for the grouping of teams.

so after last night's games- showing also movement from Monday thru last night....
Xavier from 101 to 64
Georgetown from 76 to 80
DePaul from 78 to 69
Creighton from 36 to 35

so this week

So looking at the games for this week by NET ratings
Monday
35 Liberty @ 87 Georgetown
279 Florida A&M @ 70 DePaul

Tuesday
346 New Hampshire @ 86 Seton Hall
99 Providence @ 91 Boston College
235 UTEP @ 39 Marquette

Wednesday
347 Mount St Mary's @ 33 St John's
123 Ohio @ 62 Xavier
167 Brown @ 49 Butler
72 Temple @ 37 Villanova

Friday
165 UMass @ 99 Providence

Saturday
70 DePaul @ 69 Northwestern
23 Kentucky vs 86 Seton Hall
139 St Joe's @ 37 Villanova
62 Xavier @ 41 Cincinnati
87 Georgetown @ 45 Syracuse
155 Northern Illinois @ 49 Butler
6 Wisconsin @ 39 Marquette
47 Creighton @ 9 Nebraska

Sunday
296 Princeton @ 33 St John's

like it or not- but Saturday is a huge day for the conference this season, no matter what anyone thinks. The conference projected to go 2-6 on Saturday by Ken Pom. Given the league already has 18 losses, 6 more would give the league 24 or already more than last year.

just a massive game tonight for Providence. Kind of game you have got to win to make the tourney...

so this week with the current NET Ratings

Tuesday-
23 Villanova @ 102 Penn

Wednesday-
332 Chicago St @ 96 DePaul

Friday-
165 Illinois-Chicago @ 96 DePaul
164 Green Bay @ 57 Creighton

Saturday-
179 SMU @ 65 Georgetown
23 Villanova @ 6 Kansas
115 Rutgers @ 85 Seton Hall
20 Indiana vs 41 Butler
215 E Kentucky @ 68 Xavier

Sunday
204 Central Connecticut St @ 117 Providence
257 Wagner @ 30 St John's

This weeks schedule by NET

Tue-
198 Appalachian St @ 115 Georgetown
297 Albany @ 65 Providence
65 Xavier @ 107 Missouri
217 Presbyterian @ 43 Butler
59 Creighton @ 19 Oklahoma
294 North Dakota @ 20 Marquette

Wed-
259 Sacred Heart @ 83 Seton Hall
194 St Francis NY @ 27 St John's
333 Incarnate Word @ 82 DePaul

Thu-
Coe College @ Creighton(note- this doesn't count in the NET at all- to include win-loss record)

Fri-
88 UC Irvine @ 43 Butler
228 Detroit @ 65 Xavier
12 Buffalo @ 20 Marquette
95 Providence @ 58 Texas

Sat-
268 Little Rock @ 115 Georgetown
28 Villanova vs 90 Connecticut
116 Boston College @ 82 DePaul
83 Seton Hall @ 42 Maryland
259 Sacred Heart @ 27 St John's

some really important games this week obviously.