(12-08-2018 10:52 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote: The scale that any voter fraud happens at in this country at any time is infinitesimal. Every time it is investigated the same results come back, clerical errors by pollsters checking the wrong name in the voter log, there was at least one case of an absentee voter dying while their ballot was in the mail.
Ask yourself this serious question, if there was any actual proof of dead voters or undocumented immigrant voters, why hasn't the Giant Orange come out with it? He loves to talk about it, he put together the committee to prove it was happening and yet, they found nothing, just as they were told they would.
As for cheaters, the current part time resident of 1600 Penn has made his entire career out of bending rules, finding loopholes and swindling people and in some cases, outright cheating, that does not mean he cheated or did anything illegal in the election, but I won't be the slightest bit surprised when it is eventually proven that he did and you shouldn't be either.
As for winning ideas, would you consider campaign promises like "Mexico will pay for it" or "drain the swamp" which were outright lies, "winning ideas"?
(As an aside, I'm moving this thread to the smack board as we have now gone fully off topic, but I am happy to continue this conversation if you are.)
This is almost too easy.
Here's a handy link:
The Heritage Foundation - Voter Fraud Database
The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of proven instances of election fraud from across the country. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list, but is intended to demonstrate the many ways in which fraud is committed. Preventing, deterring, and prosecuting election fraud is essential to protecting the integrity of our voting process.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
So I clicked on a few key states to see what the database had to say:
Illinois - 3 pages of named individuals with criminal convictions, mostly absentee ballot fraud, ineligible voting, duplicate voting, false regristration, etc.
Florida - 3 pages of named individuals with convictions, altering the vote count, absentee ballot fraud, ineligible voting, false registrations, etc.
California - 3 pages of named individuals with criminal convictions, mostly false registrations, ineligible voting, absentee ballot fraud, the usual suspects.
I could go on, but you get the picture.
Voter fraud is real and it can be used to change election outcomes, especially in those elections where the vote is almost evenly split. Whether the criminal committing the crime is a dim or a pub, it doesn't matter. Any voter fraud is too much voter fraud in my opinion and I applaud any politician who wants to shine light on the subject and do what's possible to put a stop to it.
If you feel differently about the subject, that's your right. ]We'll just have to agree to disagree about its overall importance.
As for politicians lying to get elected, well, knock me over with a feather. I'm shocked. I'm sure you are as well, though I suspect you liked your plan and kept your plan.
Anyway, at the end of the day, there are very few politicians who I have seen ever make a serious effort to complete their campaign promises......and I'm no spring chicken, recalling clearly Barry Goldwater's run for the presidency in 1964. While not initally a supporter of the current president, I've not seen another come close to attempting to complete his campaign promises. Agree or disagree with the campaign promises he made, or his style, you gotta give him that......though I'm sure you won't.