(11-29-2018 07:24 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 02:53 PM)That Guy 2012 Wrote:  Also Also,
USC is currently without a president, with AD Lynn Swann widely seen as a lame duck holding place until the new President is installed. Not many people are going to want to take that job there, knowing their new boss isn't long for the office and that a new AD will want to install their own guys.
Come this time next year, USC should be a bit more stable and in a better place for a new hire. Helton will be a 10-Game winner or in the unemployment line.

I think this is a big factor. I'm sure Swann has looked around, and found that nobody is excited to come into a situation where his boss and his boss's boss are both likely to be gone within a year, and the alumni and supporters are not willing to accept anything less than a 10-win season. Who's going to go there?
Jimbo? No.
Miles? No.
Saban? No.
Smart? No.
Meyer? No.
Mensa? No.
Brian Kelly? No.
Stoops? Maybe, but not sure he is a great fit.
Dabbo? Maybe, given his recent comments, but he's probably in as good a position at Clemson as SC is for now.
People may not realize this, but AD's usually have some idea what Plan B is before they abandon Plan A. And there is a strong possibility that none of the Plan B's looks any better than Helton at this point.

Jeff Tedford
So Cal guy from Downey who actually beat UCLA this year

Good thought. He had more success at Cal than most. 4 top 25s in 11 years, not sure anyone has done better than that since Pappy Waldorf. Just not sure how the SC alumni would view a guy from Cal and Fresno. I would think they would hope for more like Nick Sabam. You're on the west coast, so you are closer to this than I am.

Question, if Mack leaves as has been rumored, would anyone be interested in David Beaty as a replacement? He didn't win much at Kansas, but I'd guess he left the program in a lot better shape than he found it, given the debacle that Charlie Weis left behind. He can recruit the Metroplex, and I got pretty good reports on what he did in his two previous stints here. Don't know if he has any connections with Bloomgren or not. I do know that Mensa appears to have scarfed him up pretty quickly as a consultant at TexasU, so I doubt he'll starve.

Mack Brown reportedly backing off hiring Greg Robinson as DC at UNC due to internal/external backlash. Just waiting to see what happens when he tries to hire Greg Davis as OC

(11-30-2018 02:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Question, if Mack leaves as has been rumored, would anyone be interested in David Beaty as a replacement? He didn't win much at Kansas, but I'd guess he left the program in a lot better shape than he found it, given the debacle that Charlie Weis left behind. He can recruit the Metroplex, and I got pretty good reports on what he did in his two previous stints here. Don't know if he has any connections with Bloomgren or not. I do know that Mensa appears to have scarfed him up pretty quickly as a consultant at TexasU, so I doubt he'll starve.

I think Beaty being hired by Herman is more a good-ol'-boys-club thing than actually talent related.

You can't lose to a FCS team in year 4 and be a good coach. Especially with Big XII money. Its impossible - no matter how bad the Weis' tenure was (And FCS Nicholls state got curbstomped by 6-6 Tulane)

(11-30-2018 03:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 02:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Question, if Mack leaves as has been rumored, would anyone be interested in David Beaty as a replacement? He didn't win much at Kansas, but I'd guess he left the program in a lot better shape than he found it, given the debacle that Charlie Weis left behind. He can recruit the Metroplex, and I got pretty good reports on what he did in his two previous stints here. Don't know if he has any connections with Bloomgren or not. I do know that Mensa appears to have scarfed him up pretty quickly as a consultant at TexasU, so I doubt he'll starve.

I think Beaty being hired by Herman is more a good-ol'-boys-club thing than actually talent related.

You can't lose to a FCS team in year 4 and be a good coach. Especially with Big XII money. Its impossible - no matter how bad the Weis tenure was.

Ehh.. I kinda disagree with that. Mike Leach has lost to multiple FCS teams and he’s a good coach. Same goes for Ferentz at Iowa.

(11-30-2018 02:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 07:24 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 02:53 PM)That Guy 2012 Wrote:  Also Also,
USC is currently without a president, with AD Lynn Swann widely seen as a lame duck holding place until the new President is installed. Not many people are going to want to take that job there, knowing their new boss isn't long for the office and that a new AD will want to install their own guys.
Come this time next year, USC should be a bit more stable and in a better place for a new hire. Helton will be a 10-Game winner or in the unemployment line.

I think this is a big factor. I'm sure Swann has looked around, and found that nobody is excited to come into a situation where his boss and his boss's boss are both likely to be gone within a year, and the alumni and supporters are not willing to accept anything less than a 10-win season. Who's going to go there?
Jimbo? No.
Miles? No.
Saban? No.
Smart? No.
Meyer? No.
Mensa? No.
Brian Kelly? No.
Stoops? Maybe, but not sure he is a great fit.
Dabbo? Maybe, given his recent comments, but he's probably in as good a position at Clemson as SC is for now.
People may not realize this, but AD's usually have some idea what Plan B is before they abandon Plan A. And there is a strong possibility that none of the Plan B's looks any better than Helton at this point.

Jeff Tedford
So Cal guy from Downey who actually beat UCLA this year

Good thought. He had more success at Cal than most. 4 top 25s in 11 years, not sure anyone has done better than that since Pappy Waldorf. Just not sure how the SC alumni would view a guy from Cal and Fresno. I would think they would hope for more like Nick Sabam. You're on the west coast, so you are closer to this than I am.

You mean ALL. He is the winningest HC at Cal.

(11-30-2018 03:05 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 03:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 02:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Question, if Mack leaves as has been rumored, would anyone be interested in David Beaty as a replacement? He didn't win much at Kansas, but I'd guess he left the program in a lot better shape than he found it, given the debacle that Charlie Weis left behind. He can recruit the Metroplex, and I got pretty good reports on what he did in his two previous stints here. Don't know if he has any connections with Bloomgren or not. I do know that Mensa appears to have scarfed him up pretty quickly as a consultant at TexasU, so I doubt he'll starve.

I think Beaty being hired by Herman is more a good-ol'-boys-club thing than actually talent related.

You can't lose to a FCS team in year 4 and be a good coach. Especially with Big XII money. Its impossible - no matter how bad the Weis tenure was.

Ehh.. I kinda disagree with that. Mike Leach has lost to multiple FCS teams and he’s a good coach. Same goes for Ferentz at Iowa.

Leach also wasn't 6-42. Kansas looked like a Rice team under Bailiff. Sloppy. Also, KU did have better talent (which is a credit to Beaty), but underperformed bigtime.

Given that his Kansas tenure went exactly how I expected it would after watching him at Rice for 1 year, IMO, he would be a terrible hire.

(11-30-2018 03:22 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 03:05 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 03:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 02:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Question, if Mack leaves as has been rumored, would anyone be interested in David Beaty as a replacement? He didn't win much at Kansas, but I'd guess he left the program in a lot better shape than he found it, given the debacle that Charlie Weis left behind. He can recruit the Metroplex, and I got pretty good reports on what he did in his two previous stints here. Don't know if he has any connections with Bloomgren or not. I do know that Mensa appears to have scarfed him up pretty quickly as a consultant at TexasU, so I doubt he'll starve.

I think Beaty being hired by Herman is more a good-ol'-boys-club thing than actually talent related.

You can't lose to a FCS team in year 4 and be a good coach. Especially with Big XII money. Its impossible - no matter how bad the Weis tenure was.

Ehh.. I kinda disagree with that. Mike Leach has lost to multiple FCS teams and he’s a good coach. Same goes for Ferentz at Iowa.

Leach also wasn't 6-42. Kansas looked like a Rice team under Bailiff. Sloppy.

Given that his Kansas tenure went exactly how I expected it would after watching him at Rice for 1 year, IMO, he would be a terrible hire.

If we are going to run Bloomgren’s offense all we need from an OC is someone who can 1.recruit 2. recruit 3. quality control the offense

(11-30-2018 03:26 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  If we are going to run Bloomgren’s offense all we need from an OC is someone who can 1.recruit 2. recruit 3. quality control the offense

The issue is #3 is the most important. And not just the offense; D and ST need to be executed well too.

Beaty seems to be able to do 1 and 2. He can't do #3 at all nd thats why he is 6-42. Bloomgren needs to do 1,2 and 3 better. Otherwise we won't get a lot better than 2-11 either.

(11-29-2018 11:16 AM)illiniowl Wrote:  The triple option is great if you're content with winning 7-9 games a year, not so great if your goal is to win 12-15.

I'd take the Triple Option and consistent winning seasons any day. The 2-hour games were pretty great too.

(11-30-2018 03:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 02:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Question, if Mack leaves as has been rumored, would anyone be interested in David Beaty as a replacement? He didn't win much at Kansas, but I'd guess he left the program in a lot better shape than he found it, given the debacle that Charlie Weis left behind. He can recruit the Metroplex, and I got pretty good reports on what he did in his two previous stints here. Don't know if he has any connections with Bloomgren or not. I do know that Mensa appears to have scarfed him up pretty quickly as a consultant at TexasU, so I doubt he'll starve.

I think Beaty being hired by Herman is more a good-ol'-boys-club thing than actually talent related.
You can't lose to a FCS team in year 4 and be a good coach. Especially with Big XII money. Its impossible - no matter how bad the Weis' tenure was (And FCS Nicholls state got curbstomped by 6-6 Tulane)

I think you may be right about the good-ol'-boys-club thing. But he is still regarded by many as a pretty competent coach and a good recruiter. I would expect to see him on Mensa's staff next year if he And I simply don't see how KU could be a fair evaluation of anyone. They might very serious

One thing. Don't let him go anywhere near designing uniforms. Have you seen some of the hideous crap he had KU wearing?

(11-28-2018 06:03 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 02:39 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  Paul Johnson retiring at Georgia Tech. Is this goodbye to the triple option at the P5 level?

Wow. Didn't exactly see that one coming, although it will make some tech alumns happy. His reasons given in article make sense, but wonder how much prodding there was.

Coaching the Yellowjackets is an appealing job. There are some hurdles. Georgia Tech is a clear second team in that state behind University of Georgia Dawgs and the school's stringent academic retirements can make recruiting more strenuous than at a normal Power Five institution (like at a certain Texas school we all know of) however, the advantages of being in downtown Atlanta, a college football hub and the center of one of the college game's most talent rich states cannot be downplayed too much. This will be a popular job with plenty of potential. It'll be interesting to see how far Georgia Tech wants to move away from Johnson's flexbone system. Wish we played them more. Would Army's Monken be a candidate here in your opinion due to similarity of styles?

He's the same age as Ken Hatfield was when he retired from Rice, FWIW.

Clarence McKinney will be the new coach at TSU.

Georgia DC Mel Tucker reportedly headed to Colorado.

Packers fire Mike McCarthy.

Not surprising. McCarthy is, IMO, one of the few SB winning coaches who won due to luck - lucky enough to have a HOF QB to paper over the rest of their game (or lack thereof). Similar to Gary Kubiak or Ty Lue - good enough to stand on the sideline and clap while a HOF wins you a championship; lucky enough that it happened; bad enough to not be the reason for it; doubly lucky to be in a position where the artificial scarcity tale covered up their inadequacy.

(12-03-2018 04:00 AM)Antarius Wrote:  Packers fire Mike McCarthy.

Not surprising. McCarthy is, IMO, one of the few SB winning coaches who won due to luck - lucky enough to have a HOF QB to paper over the rest of their game (or lack thereof). Similar to Gary Kubiak or Ty Lue - good enough to stand on the sideline and clap while a HOF wins you a championship; lucky enough that it happened; bad enough to not be the reason for it; doubly lucky to be in a position where the artificial scarcity tale covered up their inadequacy.

Eh, I'd give Kubiak slightly more credit than that, if for no other reason than he hired Wade to run the defense, and I feel comfortable saying the defense was what won that Super Bowl (given that by glancing to my left and behind me just now, I've demonstrated more neck flexibility than Peyton had that year).

(12-03-2018 10:48 AM)baker-13 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 04:00 AM)Antarius Wrote:  Packers fire Mike McCarthy.

Not surprising. McCarthy is, IMO, one of the few SB winning coaches who won due to luck - lucky enough to have a HOF QB to paper over the rest of their game (or lack thereof). Similar to Gary Kubiak or Ty Lue - good enough to stand on the sideline and clap while a HOF wins you a championship; lucky enough that it happened; bad enough to not be the reason for it; doubly lucky to be in a position where the artificial scarcity tale covered up their inadequacy.

Eh, I'd give Kubiak slightly more credit than that, if for no other reason than he hired Wade to run the defense, and I feel comfortable saying the defense was what won that Super Bowl (given that by glancing to my left and behind me just now, I've demonstrated more neck flexibility than Peyton had that year).

It's also notable that Kubiak left coaching due to health concerns. It's also notable that you could also apply the same criteria to Bill Belicheck... losing record with the Browns, never won a game while Head Coach of the Jets, rode Tom Brady to his only coaching success with the Patriots.

(11-30-2018 03:22 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 03:05 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 03:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 02:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Question, if Mack leaves as has been rumored, would anyone be interested in David Beaty as a replacement? He didn't win much at Kansas, but I'd guess he left the program in a lot better shape than he found it, given the debacle that Charlie Weis left behind. He can recruit the Metroplex, and I got pretty good reports on what he did in his two previous stints here. Don't know if he has any connections with Bloomgren or not. I do know that Mensa appears to have scarfed him up pretty quickly as a consultant at TexasU, so I doubt he'll starve.

I think Beaty being hired by Herman is more a good-ol'-boys-club thing than actually talent related.

You can't lose to a FCS team in year 4 and be a good coach. Especially with Big XII money. Its impossible - no matter how bad the Weis tenure was.

Ehh.. I kinda disagree with that. Mike Leach has lost to multiple FCS teams and he’s a good coach. Same goes for Ferentz at Iowa.

Leach also wasn't 6-42. Kansas looked like a Rice team under Bailiff. Sloppy. Also, KU did have better talent (which is a credit to Beaty), but underperformed bigtime.

Given that his Kansas tenure went exactly how I expected it would after watching him at Rice for 1 year, IMO, he would be a terrible hire.

You're also talking about a HC versus position coach or coordinator. Plenty of good position coaches or coordinators don't have the skills to be HCs, but are very good, to great position coaches or coordinators.

Just look at Wade Phillips - mediocre head coach, but one heck of a defensive coordinator.

I wish Rice could include the triple option in their offense. Maybe hire Johnson as a consultant to include the triple option.

(11-30-2018 10:52 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:03 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 02:39 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  Paul Johnson retiring at Georgia Tech. Is this goodbye to the triple option at the P5 level?

Wow. Didn't exactly see that one coming, although it will make some tech alumns happy. His reasons given in article make sense, but wonder how much prodding there was.

Coaching the Yellowjackets is an appealing job. There are some hurdles. Georgia Tech is a clear second team in that state behind University of Georgia Dawgs and the school's stringent academic retirements can make recruiting more strenuous than at a normal Power Five institution (like at a certain Texas school we all know of) however, the advantages of being in downtown Atlanta, a college football hub and the center of one of the college game's most talent rich states cannot be downplayed too much. This will be a popular job with plenty of potential. It'll be interesting to see how far Georgia Tech wants to move away from Johnson's flexbone system. Wish we played them more. Would Army's Monken be a candidate here in your opinion due to similarity of styles?

He's the same age as Ken Hatfield was when he retired from Rice, FWIW.

(12-03-2018 02:28 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 10:48 AM)baker-13 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 04:00 AM)Antarius Wrote:  Packers fire Mike McCarthy.

Not surprising. McCarthy is, IMO, one of the few SB winning coaches who won due to luck - lucky enough to have a HOF QB to paper over the rest of their game (or lack thereof). Similar to Gary Kubiak or Ty Lue - good enough to stand on the sideline and clap while a HOF wins you a championship; lucky enough that it happened; bad enough to not be the reason for it; doubly lucky to be in a position where the artificial scarcity tale covered up their inadequacy.

Eh, I'd give Kubiak slightly more credit than that, if for no other reason than he hired Wade to run the defense, and I feel comfortable saying the defense was what won that Super Bowl (given that by glancing to my left and behind me just now, I've demonstrated more neck flexibility than Peyton had that year).

It's also notable that Kubiak left coaching due to health concerns. It's also notable that you could also apply the same criteria to Bill Belicheck... losing record with the Browns, never won a game while Head Coach of the Jets, rode Tom Brady to his only coaching success with the Patriots.

never won a game while Head Coach of the Jets... lol

Someone's got an axe to grind.