UB loses to San Francisco. The dream is over.

(12-01-2018 04:24 PM)MacLord Wrote:  UB loses to San Francisco. The dream is over.

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UB won 85-81.

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UB won 85-81.

Yeah, that's what YOU believe. That doesn't mean it actually Happened like that!

Apologies in advance for WMU dragging down everyone’s SOS this season. We are baaaad.

(12-01-2018 05:20 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(12-01-2018 04:24 PM)MacLord Wrote:  UB loses to San Francisco. The dream is over.

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UB won 85-81.

Sorry. Ncaa.com had (and still has as of this writing) the score reversed. Yay!!

I doubt it happens, so how does the MAC send two to the NIT?

(12-01-2018 08:28 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  I doubt it happens, so how does the MAC send two to the NIT?

Probably the only way would be if both the #1 and #2 seeds at the MAC tourney lost, the 1-seed was not an at-large worthy team, and the 2-seed was a top 75 or so team. Seems like a very improbable situation.

When even is the last time the MAC got 2 teams into the NIT?

(12-02-2018 12:01 AM)axeme Wrote:  

(12-01-2018 08:28 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  I doubt it happens, so how does the MAC send two to the NIT?

Probably the only way would be if both the #1 and #2 seeds at the MAC tourney lost, the 1-seed was not an at-large worthy team, and the 2-seed was a top 75 or so team. Seems like a very improbable situation.

#1 and #2 not winning the tournament is not impossible, but still #2 has to be at-large material.

Can't be a regular multi NIT conference unless #3 is NIT at-large caliber.

That probably comes before being a regular multiple tourney bid conference ... until then the question is how the MAC gets multiple bids is about how it happens as a fluke, not how it is a normal thing for it to happen.

The MAC is moving up in the NET Rankings, at least near the top.

13 - Buffalo
77 - Ball St.
98 - Kent St.
107 - Akron
116 - Toledo
119 - Ohio
155 - Northern Ill.
162 - Miami (OH)
172 - Central Mich.
245 - Western Mich.
249 - Bowling Green
251 - Eastern Mich.

(12-04-2018 12:53 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  The MAC is moving up in the NET Rankings, at least near the top.

13 - Buffalo
77 - Ball St.
98 - Kent St.
107 - Akron
116 - Toledo
119 - Ohio
155 - Northern Ill.
162 - Miami (OH)
172 - Central Mich.
245 - Western Mich.
249 - Bowling Green
251 - Eastern Mich.

cool, thanks! i was just thinking about this today and wondering how our win over Marshall would affect our ranking. nice! up from 197 to 119! :-)

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball...t-rankings

since they were referenced

Buffalo at 12th in latest NET rankings. their win at west virg put them on the map but their top rated win is over #27 san francisco on a neutral court. coming up they host a rematch w #74 s illinois and travel to syracuse and marquette who are in the 30s and rising. if buffalo wins 2 of those 3 games they are a near lock for the tourney with a good mac season.

mac has 3 teams between 75-100: ball st, toledo and kent. ball st won't get an at large after losing all 3 of their power 5 matchups, but they are undefeated against the rest of the schedule including a bunch of solid mid majors. toledo also probably doesn't have enough schedule oompf for at large consideration unless they were to sweep UB and win the MAC. the do get a top 100 team in Penn later this month at home. however, kent could make things interesting. with a win at #61 vanderbilt a loss to #38 liberty and wins everywhere else, the upcoming road games at louisville (20s) and Oregon St (60s) give them 2 chances to stay on the bubble, with the louisville game looming large.

ohio just knocked off #66 radford and is rising but still a ways from the top 100. akron and niu in the top 150 and still have road games at top 10 teams to play. miami has moved into the top 150 and cmu is just out. the only mac team in the bottom 100 is BG but their blowout over #110 green bay might push them out of it when the latest rankings are announced.

so, MAC has 3 multi-bid options.

1) buffalo closes non-conf 12-1 or 13-0. doesn't imploded during the mac and loses in the MAC tourney. UB and tourney champ go. 2) kent closes non-conf 12-1 or 11-2 wins or contends for mac title and doesn't win MAC tourney. good chance that Kent and tourney champ go. if tourney champ is not buffalo, possibility 3 mac teams go.
3) toledo closes non-conf 12-1 then wins the MAC with multiple wins over kent and buffalo but doesn't win mac tourney. fair chance toledo and tourney champ go. small chance 3 mac teams go.

- won't make a huge difference, but if teams like ball st, ohio , akron can finish non conf in top 100 MAC multi-bid odds are better.

(12-08-2018 11:04 PM)pono Wrote:  ohio just knocked off #66 radford and is rising but still a ways from the top 100.

so, MAC has 3 multi-bid options.

1) buffalo closes non-conf 12-1 or 13-0. doesn't imploded during the mac and loses in the MAC tourney. UB and tourney champ go. 2) kent closes non-conf 12-1 or 11-2 wins or contends for mac title and doesn't win MAC tourney. good chance that Kent and tourney champ go. if tourney champ is not buffalo, possibility 3 mac teams go.
3) toledo closes non-conf 12-1 then wins the MAC with multiple wins over kent and buffalo but doesn't win mac tourney. fair chance toledo and tourney champ go. small chance 3 mac teams go.

- won't make a huge difference, but if teams like ball st, ohio , akron can finish non conf in top 100 MAC multi-bid odds are better.

As an Ohio fan who has watched them this year they haven't proved they can be much of anything this year at this point.

On paper the Marshall win looks nice but you have to remember that this is Terd we played who has a tendency to collapse when playing against Ohio because of their inferiority complex. Its just not a barometer game for this reason.

Ohio buys a lot of games against lower level conferences. The chances of winning at home across the NCAA are close to 65 percent so handling Radford in the Convo doesn't mean anything either.

The team is 6-3 right now but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't win 15 games. Tournament talk is extremely farfetched at this moment in time.

(12-09-2018 01:50 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 11:04 PM)pono Wrote:  ohio just knocked off #66 radford and is rising but still a ways from the top 100.

so, MAC has 3 multi-bid options.

1) buffalo closes non-conf 12-1 or 13-0. doesn't imploded during the mac and loses in the MAC tourney. UB and tourney champ go. 2) kent closes non-conf 12-1 or 11-2 wins or contends for mac title and doesn't win MAC tourney. good chance that Kent and tourney champ go. if tourney champ is not buffalo, possibility 3 mac teams go.
3) toledo closes non-conf 12-1 then wins the MAC with multiple wins over kent and buffalo but doesn't win mac tourney. fair chance toledo and tourney champ go. small chance 3 mac teams go.

- won't make a huge difference, but if teams like ball st, ohio , akron can finish non conf in top 100 MAC multi-bid odds are better.

As an Ohio fan who has watched them this year they haven't proved they can be much of anything this year at this point.

On paper the Marshall win looks nice but you have to remember that this is Terd we played who has a tendency to collapse when playing against Ohio because of their inferiority complex. Its just not a barometer game for this reason.

Ohio buys a lot of games against lower level conferences. The chances of winning at home across the NCAA are close to 65 percent so handling Radford in the Convo doesn't mean anything either.

The team is 6-3 right now but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't win 15 games. Tournament talk is extremely farfetched at this moment in time.

i wasn't implying ball st, akron or ohio will get a tourney bid. my point was any or all of them could be in the NET top 100 (ball st already is). i'm not sold on ohio either, but they have some good wins. radford won at texas and at notre dame. does dartis come back this year?

(12-08-2018 11:04 PM)pono Wrote:  Buffalo at 12th in latest NET rankings. their win at west virg put them on the map but their top rated win is over #27 san francisco on a neutral court. coming up they host a rematch w #74 s illinois and travel to syracuse and marquette who are in the 30s and rising. if buffalo wins 2 of those 3 games they are a near lock for the tourney with a good mac season.

mac has 3 teams between 75-100: ball st, toledo and kent. ball st won't get an at large after losing all 3 of their power 5 matchups, but they are undefeated against the rest of the schedule including a bunch of solid mid majors. toledo also probably doesn't have enough schedule oompf for at large consideration unless they were to sweep UB and win the MAC. the do get a top 100 team in Penn later this month at home. however, kent could make things interesting. with a win at #61 vanderbilt a loss to #38 liberty and wins everywhere else, the upcoming road games at louisville (20s) and Oregon St (60s) give them 2 chances to stay on the bubble, with the louisville game looming large.

ohio just knocked off #66 radford and is rising but still a ways from the top 100. akron and niu in the top 150 and still have road games at top 10 teams to play. miami has moved into the top 150 and cmu is just out. the only mac team in the bottom 100 is BG but their blowout over #110 green bay might push them out of it when the latest rankings are announced.

so, MAC has 3 multi-bid options.

1) buffalo closes non-conf 12-1 or 13-0. doesn't imploded during the mac and loses in the MAC tourney. UB and tourney champ go. 2) kent closes non-conf 12-1 or 11-2 wins or contends for mac title and doesn't win MAC tourney. good chance that Kent and tourney champ go. if tourney champ is not buffalo, possibility 3 mac teams go.
3) toledo closes non-conf 12-1 then wins the MAC with multiple wins over kent and buffalo but doesn't win mac tourney. fair chance toledo and tourney champ go. small chance 3 mac teams go.

- won't make a huge difference, but if teams like ball st, ohio , akron can finish non conf in top 100 MAC multi-bid odds are better.

Akron needs to beat a good team

I don't see any realistic path for two bids outside of Buffalo losing the MAC tourney. What I feel is highly possible is the MAC can have 1-2 at-large bids for the NIT if Buffalo does win the tournament.

(12-09-2018 01:28 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I don't see any realistic path for two bids outside of Buffalo losing the MAC tourney. What I feel is highly possible is the MAC can have 1-2 at-large bids for the NIT if Buffalo does win the tournament.

most likely yes, but Kent can still make it interesting if they finish the non-conf strong. they are 8-1 with no bad losses and a road win over what looks like a bubble team. with upcoming road games against 2 more power conf schools that could be in the tourney conversation they have a chance to have a winning road record against teams in that 30-70 rank space that the committee says is crucial to evaluating the bubble teams. toledo as an at large is still a stretch but they are piling up wins and if they beat buffalo, ball st and kent for the mac reg season titile and avoid bad losses they will get consideration, although the lack of non-conf big wins will hurt (best they got is road/neutral wins over #s 99, 117, 129 w only #96 left at home). i can't see anyone else getting at large consideration but there are 4 other MAC teams who could potentially be top 100 on top of UB 12, ball st 76, toledo 77, kent 92. this is a year MAC teams can add quality wins in conference which is often how the AAC and A10 get multiple bids.

(12-09-2018 01:28 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I don't see any realistic path for two bids outside of Buffalo losing the MAC tourney. What I feel is highly possible is the MAC can have 1-2 at-large bids for the NIT if Buffalo does win the tournament.

It bears pointing out that this would represent progress ... for a while now the MAC has not been in a position to land NIT at-large bids, never mind NCAA at-large bids. It's very early days still, but at the moment the MAC is in a position to get it's regular season champion into the Tourney at a much more attractive seeding than has been the case in the past decade, a second team well placed for an NIT at-large bid, and a third team that is not very far from the likely NIT bubble, given the number of NIT auto-bids that typically take place.

(12-09-2018 09:14 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 01:28 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I don't see any realistic path for two bids outside of Buffalo losing the MAC tourney. What I feel is highly possible is the MAC can have 1-2 at-large bids for the NIT if Buffalo does win the tournament.

It bears pointing out that this would represent progress ... for a while now the MAC has not been in a position to land NIT at-large bids, never mind NCAA at-large bids. It's very early days still, but at the moment the MAC is in a position to get it's regular season champion into the Tourney at a much more attractive seeding than has been the case in the past decade, a second team well placed for an NIT at-large bid, and a third team that is not very far from the likely NIT bubble, given the number of NIT auto-bids that typically take place.

I fully agree.