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There are legit middle school stadiums in Texas that are bigger than half the caa schools ! I watched the ucf vs cinci game and I want that to be us one day .. ABC 8pm packed completed bridgeforth .. that needs to be our goal !!
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This! Forget the playoffs esp if we get screwed like this year. 10x more exposure in that ABC primetime game than an 11am National Championship game in a MLS stadium.

Same old argument I guess. I just hope our recent success is pushing us further in this direction and not making everyone comfortable being the big fish.

(11-20-2018 08:17 AM)J.B. Wrote:  Why would you guys want to be in FBS? You're the crown jewel of FCS that has a legitimate playoff system. You guys have won National Championships.

The "step up" for JMU would be to be "rewarded" with playing in the Michael's Arts & Crafts Bowl in front of 18,000 people in god know where Alabama against another completely insignificant team that went 6-5. Is that what JMU is striving to be?

The quality of football might not be as good, and the fan support might not be as good, but I've always thought that being a great FCS school trumps being a mediocre FBS school.

What on earth would make you think we want to be a mediocre FBS team ? My goal for jmu football is not to become the next Appalachian State or Liberty and definitely not ODU!! I want us to complete at the level of Central Florida, they are the prototype i want to follow. Two gamedays, a win over Tech and a national title down here suggests that jmu has the ability to reach those levels. We simply won't go FBS just to go, we want to complete with the best G5 teams in the country ! Let's go dukes !!

(11-19-2018 10:26 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Everyone would still leave at halftime...

Yep. This. I wonder if the people wanting to be UCF on ABC show up to each home game and make sure everyone in their group is there at least 15 minutes before kickoff and don't leave until the game is over?

JMU fans need a culture shift from casuals who only show up to the tailgate if we want to be taken more seriously. Even at NDSU and Montana, they draw our crowds but people don't struggle to actually stay engaged when they're in the stadium.

(11-19-2018 11:27 PM)olddawg Wrote:  In one of the many things the NCAA does wrong or backward, they insist on counting playoff games into the season attendance. Does not make for apples to apples comparisons between teams.

That's why knowledgeable fans on message boards know to redo the math themselves and exclude playoff games for the real apples to apples numbers.

(11-20-2018 08:39 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  Don't listen to this guy. He is from Drexel and is worried what will happen to the CAA if you leave. Screw the CAA! You guys are BIG TIME now....you know it, I know it and the rest of the league knows it. Get out while you can!

You just want to ensure you're the new CAA darling each year. It's easy to win a league when you get to miss playing it's 2nd through 4th place teams and play almost every notable opponent while they're suffering significant injuries.

Well, our attendance numbers are sure to get totally screwed up as a result of this Saturday's game, what with the students out and the weather looking lousy. Not that it will keep me away, of course. Attendance was looking solid, notwithstanding the Thursday night game against Robert Morris.

(11-20-2018 09:48 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 10:26 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Everyone would still leave at halftime...

Yep. This. I wonder if the people wanting to be UCF on ABC show up to each home game and make sure everyone in their group is there at least 15 minutes before kickoff and don't leave until the game is over?

JMU fans need a culture shift from casuals who only show up to the tailgate if we want to be taken more seriously. Even at NDSU and Montana, they draw our crowds but people don't struggle to actually stay engaged when they're in the stadium.

Haven't missed a home game this year. Am in my seat to see the band run onto the field. And I didn't leave early once. And I have a 5 yr old and 2 yr old. Get some!

(11-20-2018 09:48 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 10:26 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Everyone would still leave at halftime...

Yep. This. I wonder if the people wanting to be UCF on ABC show up to each home game and make sure everyone in their group is there at least 15 minutes before kickoff and don't leave until the game is over?

JMU fans need a culture shift from casuals who only show up to the tailgate if we want to be taken more seriously. Even at NDSU and Montana, they draw our crowds but people don't struggle to actually stay engaged when they're in the stadium.

It's also b/c we beat the pants off of NEC schools in our OOC games. So the freshman students that come in, first 2-3 home games, its 50-0 at half. That sets the precedent right there. It becomes a habit b/c why stay if we're going to win anyway. You and I know the crowd noise makes a different in games later in the season...and could help influence the outcomes.

(11-20-2018 09:48 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 10:26 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Everyone would still leave at halftime...

Yep. This. I wonder if the people wanting to be UCF on ABC show up to each home game and make sure everyone in their group is there at least 15 minutes before kickoff and don't leave until the game is over?

JMU fans need a culture shift from casuals who only show up to the tailgate if we want to be taken more seriously. Even at NDSU and Montana, they draw our crowds but people don't struggle to actually stay engaged when they're in the stadium.

You want to live in Missoula (I would) or Fargo?! Not knocking those places, but come on, it's pretty clear the social opportunities are more limited than in the places the plurality of JMU fans live. More importantly, if having everyone in the stadium be rabid for 4 hours means our fanbase has to be the mutant-male-dominated-Dickey's-jeans-white-knockoff-tennis-shoe-and-white-socks-Starter-jacket-way-too-excited-about-Tight- Ends-crowd we met last year, no thank you. Call me an coastal elite all you want, but I love that for HUGE portions of our fanbase, JMU means a lot more than just football.

(11-20-2018 09:41 AM)Jmufanatic13 Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 08:17 AM)J.B. Wrote:  Why would you guys want to be in FBS? You're the crown jewel of FCS that has a legitimate playoff system. You guys have won National Championships.

The "step up" for JMU would be to be "rewarded" with playing in the Michael's Arts & Crafts Bowl in front of 18,000 people in god know where Alabama against another completely insignificant team that went 6-5. Is that what JMU is striving to be?

The quality of football might not be as good, and the fan support might not be as good, but I've always thought that being a great FCS school trumps being a mediocre FBS school.

What on earth would make you think we want to be a mediocre FBS team ? My goal for jmu football is not to become the next Appalachian State or Liberty and definitely not ODU!! I want us to complete at the level of Central Florida, they are the prototype i want to follow. Two gamedays, a win over Tech and a national title down here suggests that jmu has the ability to reach those levels. We simply won't go FBS just to go, we want to complete with the best G5 teams in the country ! Let's go dukes !!

Yeah, I guess it's nice to have fantasies. I want to win $100 million in Power Ball....Let's Go Me!!!!

But realistically, the move up would lead to years and years of mediocre to bad football at best...kind of like ODU or Georgia State. Even though I'm not a college football fan, I'll admit that I'm envious of what JMU has right now with football. Why would you all want to throw it all away for that very minuscule shot at the big time?

(11-20-2018 12:51 PM)J.B. Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 09:41 AM)Jmufanatic13 Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 08:17 AM)J.B. Wrote:  Why would you guys want to be in FBS? You're the crown jewel of FCS that has a legitimate playoff system. You guys have won National Championships.

The "step up" for JMU would be to be "rewarded" with playing in the Michael's Arts & Crafts Bowl in front of 18,000 people in god know where Alabama against another completely insignificant team that went 6-5. Is that what JMU is striving to be?

The quality of football might not be as good, and the fan support might not be as good, but I've always thought that being a great FCS school trumps being a mediocre FBS school.

What on earth would make you think we want to be a mediocre FBS team ? My goal for jmu football is not to become the next Appalachian State or Liberty and definitely not ODU!! I want us to complete at the level of Central Florida, they are the prototype i want to follow. Two gamedays, a win over Tech and a national title down here suggests that jmu has the ability to reach those levels. We simply won't go FBS just to go, we want to complete with the best G5 teams in the country ! Let's go dukes !!

Yeah, I guess it's nice to have fantasies. I want to win $100 million in Power Ball....Let's Go Me!!!!

But realistically, the move up would lead to years and years of mediocre to bad football at best...kind of like ODU or Georgia State. Even though I'm not a college football fan, I'll admit that I'm envious of what JMU has right now with football. Why would you all want to throw it all away for that very minuscule shot at the big time?

GSU has always been bad, but ODU got very competitive pretty quickly, then plateaued. ODU had the advantage being located in a recruiting hotbed for college football.

A little off topic, but FWIW...

...for the first time, I just observed a box score (by the University of Arkansas MBB) that displayed "Attendance" and then "Tickets Scanned".

I think this is a great idea. Kudos to the Hogs for doing this (and any others). Hope this becomes the norm.

I'm guessing some CFB programs barely meeting the minimum "attendance" standards will be reluctant to display "tickets scanned". Of course, unfortunately in my opinion, the definition of "attendance" has been grossly skewed to indicate the number of tickets accounted for instead of hind parts through turnstiles.

Evidence (scroll to bottom of page 1): https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/wp-conten...-Stats.pdf

6200 tickets were "sold" in some capacity but went unused? That seems like a lot.

(12-20-2018 09:44 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  A little off topic, but FWIW...

...for the first time, I just observed a box score (by the University of Arkansas MBB) that displayed "Attendance" and then "Tickets Scanned".

I think this is a great idea. Kudos to the Hogs for doing this (and any others). Hope this becomes the norm.

I'm guessing some CFB programs barely meeting the minimum "attendance" standards will be reluctant to display "tickets scanned". Of course, unfortunately in my opinion, the definition of "attendance" has been grossly skewed to indicate the number of tickets accounted for instead of hind parts through turnstiles.

Evidence (scroll to bottom of page 1): https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/wp-conten...-Stats.pdf

JMU does NOT want to do that. We are already breaking worst attendance records with coach Rowe at the helm and that is counting all of the no shows.
It is already very hard to justify an 8500 seat arena. Imagine trying to continue fundraising with actual ticket scan data.

Hey John Doe, you saw that only 984 tickets were scanned at that riveting home Overtime win over struggling Coppin State. How about chipping in $10k or $20k so we can build this new 8,500 seat arena correctly. Thanks for your support.

(11-20-2018 12:51 PM)J.B. Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 09:41 AM)Jmufanatic13 Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 08:17 AM)J.B. Wrote:  Why would you guys want to be in FBS? You're the crown jewel of FCS that has a legitimate playoff system. You guys have won National Championships.

The "step up" for JMU would be to be "rewarded" with playing in the Michael's Arts & Crafts Bowl in front of 18,000 people in god know where Alabama against another completely insignificant team that went 6-5. Is that what JMU is striving to be?

The quality of football might not be as good, and the fan support might not be as good, but I've always thought that being a great FCS school trumps being a mediocre FBS school.

What on earth would make you think we want to be a mediocre FBS team ? My goal for jmu football is not to become the next Appalachian State or Liberty and definitely not ODU!! I want us to complete at the level of Central Florida, they are the prototype i want to follow. Two gamedays, a win over Tech and a national title down here suggests that jmu has the ability to reach those levels. We simply won't go FBS just to go, we want to complete with the best G5 teams in the country ! Let's go dukes !!

Yeah, I guess it's nice to have fantasies. I want to win $100 million in Power Ball....Let's Go Me!!!!

But realistically, the move up would lead to years and years of mediocre to bad football at best...kind of like ODU or Georgia State. Even though I'm not a college football fan, I'll admit that I'm envious of what JMU has right now with football. Why would you all want to throw it all away for that very minuscule shot at the big time?

Ga Southern and App State did great right out of the gate. Personally, I believe we are better than or at least equal to either of those teams. ODU was good but has fallen off. They will be back.

If I thought we were headed for mediocrity in FBS, I wouldn't want to go. I believe we will be at or near the top of any conference we join. The sky is the limit from there.