I believe Huge has been in DC area a couple times this fall for alumni functions - and I know Rowe was as well. Would be an opportunity to meet with both Mike London and the name Tribal offered up (Chris Beatty) without having to bring them to.campus and tip anyone off. Anyone aware of any other events or areas either has traveled to this fall that may be a clue?

What's the rush? JL just retired yesterday.
Do we have a committee or is Huge doing this by herself?

Some good options and also think this will move quickly. Just from the full collection of names mentioned, appears diversity is a key or top priority on this decision.

(11-18-2018 09:58 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  What's the rush? JL just retired yesterday.
Do we have a committee or is Huge doing this by herself?

Committee was established shortly after the retirement announcement and has been working all fall.


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(11-18-2018 10:15 PM)hktribefan Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 09:58 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  What's the rush? JL just retired yesterday.
Do we have a committee or is Huge doing this by herself?

Committee was established shortly after the retirement announcement and has been working all fall.


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And the rush is assembling a staff and recruiting.

(11-18-2018 09:16 PM)Tribal Wrote:  A name we haven't heard:

Chris Beatty could be in the running.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Beatty

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So, if it's Chris Beatty, does he bring Dino Tomlin with him.......

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Kansas just named Lee Miles their new coach. Definitely not too soon.

London's play calling & in-game management is definitely up for debate. What isn't debatable is his record at the FCS level and his ability to recruit high level athletes. In his 2 years in Richmond and 2 years at Howard, he is 35-15 at the FCS level. Last season, his 1st at Howard, he coached 6 guys to all-conference and the rookie of the year. They also had the largest upset by point spread in NCAA history when they beat UNLV. This season, his team has uncharacteristically struggled defensively. It seems more of a blip than a trend. Offensively, they have lit it up.

I've mentioned this before. College football success, especially at the FCS level, is all in your athletes. Recruiting high level kids. Out athleting an opponent will beat out coaching most every time. Look at JMU. We will compete and compete hard. The athletic difference, however, was daunting and will wear a team down. If we bring in London and he is bringing in a steady crop of 3* athletes, the occasional head scratching decisions aren't going to matter much. Players will make plays.

(11-19-2018 07:23 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  London's play calling & in-game management is definitely up for debate. What isn't debatable is his record at the FCS level and his ability to recruit high level athletes. In his 2 years in Richmond and 2 years at Howard, he is 35-15 at the FCS level. Last season, his 1st at Howard, he coached 6 guys to all-conference and the rookie of the year. They also had the largest upset by point spread in NCAA history when they beat UNLV. This season, his team has uncharacteristically struggled defensively. It seems more of a blip than a trend. Offensively, they have lit it up.

I've mentioned this before. College football success, especially at the FCS level, is all in your athletes. Recruiting high level kids. Out athleting an opponent will beat out coaching most every time. Look at JMU. We will compete and compete hard. The athletic difference, however, was daunting and will wear a team down. If we bring in London and he is bringing in a steady crop of 3* athletes, the occasional head scratching decisions aren't going to matter much. Players will make plays.

Spot on

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(11-19-2018 07:53 AM)Tribal Wrote:  London

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If it is, it is a good hire. CAA history with success. High character. American football coaches association 2017 coach of the year. Knows and recruits the tidewater well. Track record of bringing high level athletes to high academic schools. If he can pull off solid coordinators, it is a home run IMO.

(11-19-2018 07:59 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 07:53 AM)Tribal Wrote:  London

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If it is, it is a good hire. CAA history with success. High character. American football coaches association 2017 coach of the year. Knows and recruits the tidewater well. Track record of bringing high level athletes to high academic schools. If he can pull off solid coordinators, it is a home run IMO.

Completely disagree. Having watched the slowly unfolding disaster that was Virginia football under his leadership, I see this as a poor omen for our football program. All one has to do is talk to the Virginia staff about the condition of the program when they arrived. Non-existent player development, no discipline, and a pattern of prematurely burning redshirts, making erratic in-game decisions, etc.

http://footballscoop.com/news/sources-wi...ead-coach/ confirmed. Updated this morning

Seems like a great hire to me. He is a defense first guy, so I hope a strong OC is brought along to help with QB development.

I hope we keep Andrews because that Howard defense wasn’t very good. Mike London’s kid is on the staff as a WR coach. So that is (probably) our new WR coach. He didn’t do too bad as he helped Howard get a 1000 yard receiver.

(11-19-2018 08:28 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Seems like a great hire to me. He is a defense first guy, so I hope a strong OC is brought along to help with QB development.

The defensive staff at W&M is very solid. Leave it in place and focus on the offense. DO NOT bring the defensive staff from Howard. Please...

I wasn't impressed with Coach London's tenure at UVa, and didn't really give him any consideration as I thought the school would move in the direction of a hot shot young co-ordinator (a la JL in 1980).

Having said that, if no hot shot co-ordinator was available, Coach London does check an awful lot of boxes ... local guy, character guy, knows the school, knows the program, knows the CAA, part of the Laycock coaching tree, won a NC at the FCS level, etc., etc.

If he can recruit at W&M ... that would just be awesome as it seemed that we had lost an edge in that area.

If we give him the money to hire a good OC and DC, could be a quick re-build.

Finally, no one wants to follow a legend. It usually doesn't work out. Kudos to Coach London for taking on a thankless role / task.

(11-19-2018 07:23 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  London's play calling & in-game management is definitely up for debate. What isn't debatable is his record at the FCS level and his ability to recruit high level athletes. In his 2 years in Richmond and 2 years at Howard, he is 35-15 at the FCS level. Last season, his 1st at Howard, he coached 6 guys to all-conference and the rookie of the year. They also had the largest upset by point spread in NCAA history when they beat UNLV. This season, his team has uncharacteristically struggled defensively. It seems more of a blip than a trend. Offensively, they have lit it up.

I've mentioned this before. College football success, especially at the FCS level, is all in your athletes. Recruiting high level kids. Out athleting an opponent will beat out coaching most every time. Look at JMU. We will compete and compete hard. The athletic difference, however, was daunting and will wear a team down. If we bring in London and he is bringing in a steady crop of 3* athletes, the occasional head scratching decisions aren't going to matter much. Players will make plays.

Ironically, this contradicts everything that JL accomplished at W&M. How many underrecruited players became highly effective players under his tutelage? Just in the last ten years?

Some say London recruited well at Richmond. But the players that won in 08 and 09 were all there when he arrived. He was at UVA in 07-08. Clawson built an incredible foundation there. London gets credit for the wins, and he did beat the best team we ever had, but to say he recruited them is incorrect.

At UVA, he landed some splashy recruits, but how many lived up to their hype? Think of Andrew Brown, Darius Jennings, Smoke Mizzell ... the list goes on. Bronco inherited an absolute mess. The success UVA has had the last two years reflects an approach far more consistent with Laycock than London. And remember when London played an overweight Phil Simms for the better part of a season, after Simms was removed from Alabama? He displaced two highly competent quarterbacks to take a chance on a highly touted transfer who didn’t have the support of the team. Is there a better example of the contrast with JL? Remember JL going with Callahan in 10 over Paulus? I certainly beat him up over that on here, but he was right, and I was wrong.

London has also never operated under recruiting restrictions that in any way approach what he will have at W&M.

Bottom line, I see this as a lazy hire. I would have much rather seen Huge go after Shoop (she may have) or call Chris Pederson at Washington, who I think is the best coach in the college game right now, and ask for the names of the three best young coordinators he knows that are ready to run a program. Maybe she did that. Who knows.

For what WM is, this is an absolute home run hire. And extremely well done by the AD/President in getting this done proactively and hitting the ground running just after the season ends. I shudder to think how long this would have taken (and who we would have hired) with the previous AD... Huge nailed it.

London is an extremely high-character guy who absolutely understands WM, will recruit well, and represent the school fantastically. All for this.

(11-19-2018 09:11 AM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  Bottom line, I see this as a lazy hire. I would have much rather seen Huge go after Shoop (she may have) or call Chris Pederson at Washington, who I think is the best coach in the college game right now

Wait... what??? You guys think we're pulling Chris Peterson, a former national coach of the year who's been to multiple BCS bowls and is about to win his second PAC-12 title in three years with a top-10 team, to WM??? This board is out of its damn mind. No wonder people are unhappy with London if that's the delusions people have.