Jesus also said render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's... and unto God that which is God's...

Borders and governments and 'public support' are Ceasar's... not God's.

And the left has spared no moment to remind us of the separation

(11-17-2018 02:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:26 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:11 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 01:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Go ahead and point out where Trump has preached. Link it up and support your position as required by the AUP of this forum.

You can't because like most everything else you post in here it's a figment of your demented imagination.

Better yet he won't because that's what he does. He doesn't debate he hits his talking points and veers into whataboutism when further discussion is to be had. He's a NPC.
Immigration good cause media says so...
Point countered by non NPC...
Orange man bad here's why.

You can just google "Jerry Fallwell Trump Stormy Daniels" or "evangelical pastor supports Trump adultery" and find ample evidence of evangelicals supporting Trump in the face of demonstrable hedonism. That was my point. And I stand by it.

If the choice is between a nationalist womanizer who supports religious freedom and a progressive globalist who attacks religious freedom and wants open boarders and millions of illegals on the taxpayer dime, Christians are going to support the nationalist freedom of religion womanizer every single time.

Of course many republicans are not even really Christians and basically non religious so your entire point is dishonest and stupid.

Republicans vote for a Political leader who respects our rights and morals, not a religious leader to play president. Liberals vote for a high priest or priestess of their religion, which is liberal progressivism.

May be why the Democrats have had such a money advantage the last 10 years. Their religion is their politics and they give to it. Conservatives give to their churches and charities.

Agreed

(11-17-2018 02:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:26 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:11 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 01:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Go ahead and point out where Trump has preached. Link it up and support your position as required by the AUP of this forum.

You can't because like most everything else you post in here it's a figment of your demented imagination.

Better yet he won't because that's what he does. He doesn't debate he hits his talking points and veers into whataboutism when further discussion is to be had. He's a NPC.
Immigration good cause media says so...
Point countered by non NPC...
Orange man bad here's why.

You can just google "Jerry Fallwell Trump Stormy Daniels" or "evangelical pastor supports Trump adultery" and find ample evidence of evangelicals supporting Trump in the face of demonstrable hedonism. That was my point. And I stand by it.

If the choice is between a nationalist womanizer who supports religious freedom and a progressive globalist who attacks religious freedom and wants open boarders and millions of illegals on the taxpayer dime, Christians are going to support the nationalist freedom of religion womanizer every single time.

Of course many republicans are not even really Christians and basically non religious so your entire point is dishonest and stupid.

Republicans vote for a Political leader who respects our rights and morals, not a religious leader to play president. Liberals vote for a high priest or priestess of their religion, which is liberal progressivism.

May be why the Democrats have had such a money advantage the last 10 years. Their religion is their politics and they give to it. Conservatives give to their churches and charities.

The GOP's religion is politics too.

The reason why the Dems do better than the GOP in fundraising from individual donors is that Dems tend to be wealthier overall. The top 20 wealthiest Congressional Districts are all Democrat. Even with gerrymandering, 63% of the nations GDP is created/earned in Democratic represented districts.

In the GOP, a far larger percentage of campaign money has come from mega donors. So many GOP donors sit on the sidelines, expecting Foster Fries or Sheldon Adelson to foot the bill. Dems have mega donors too, but its not as consolidated like in the GOP.

The Dems also have much better ways of raising money, especially from small/medium sized donors.

Dems do give to charity too. And some of that GOP charity is inherently political too. Or just wasted (like donating to a mega rich super pastor like Osteen)

The Bible commands all things must be done decently and in order. Rushing the border and sneaking in does not meet that criteria.


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(11-17-2018 02:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:26 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:11 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 01:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Go ahead and point out where Trump has preached. Link it up and support your position as required by the AUP of this forum.

You can't because like most everything else you post in here it's a figment of your demented imagination.

Better yet he won't because that's what he does. He doesn't debate he hits his talking points and veers into whataboutism when further discussion is to be had. He's a NPC.
Immigration good cause media says so...
Point countered by non NPC...
Orange man bad here's why.

You can just google "Jerry Fallwell Trump Stormy Daniels" or "evangelical pastor supports Trump adultery" and find ample evidence of evangelicals supporting Trump in the face of demonstrable hedonism. That was my point. And I stand by it.

If the choice is between a nationalist womanizer who supports religious freedom and a progressive globalist who attacks religious freedom and wants open boarders and millions of illegals on the taxpayer dime, Christians are going to support the nationalist freedom of religion womanizer every single time.

Of course many republicans are not even really Christians and basically non religious so your entire point is dishonest and stupid.

Republicans vote for a Political leader who respects our rights and morals, not a religious leader to play president. Liberals vote for a high priest or priestess of their religion, which is liberal progressivism.

May be why the Democrats have had such a money advantage the last 10 years. Their religion is their politics and they give to it. Conservatives give to their churches and charities.

They contribute to the church of liberalism. The main sacrament of the church of liberalism is abortion.


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(11-17-2018 03:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Bible commands all things must be done decently and in order. Rushing the border and sneaking in does not meet that criteria.


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How about blocking the border at legal points for people seeking to apply for asylum by legal means at legal points of entry in compliance with US law? You know we are doing that right?

Guys, if you guys want to use your religion to defend the denial of goodwill and charity to those fleeing persecution....that's, sadly, your right.

But you will lead no one to Christ by doing so. This whole line of "Christianity" that endorses what is objectively unendorsable in a contemporary Christian context sounds a bit "Fred Phelpsy" to a lot of people.

We will know you by your works

(11-17-2018 03:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Bible commands all things must be done decently and in order. Rushing the border and sneaking in does not meet that criteria.


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How about blocking the border at legal points for people seeking to apply for asylum by legal means at legal points of entry in compliance with US law? You know we are doing that right?

Guys, if you guys want to use your religion to defend the denial of goodwill and charity to those fleeing persecution....that's, sadly, your right.

But you will lead no one to Christ by doing so. This whole line of "Christianity" that endorses what is objectively unendorsable in a contemporary Christian context sounds a bit "Fred Phelpsy" to a lot of people.

We will know you by your works

And the Lord God knows you by yours and will judge you with righteousness over them.

You will be without excuse on that day.

Those who actually accept Christ with their whole heart and put their faith in Him will never be judged for their sins, but will be forgiven for all.

You will not have true Christians standing next to you on judgment day, they will be the actual Judges standing behind the Throne of God judging you along with the Father and the Son. You will stand alone with all the others who foolishly rejected the FREE GIFT OF SALVATION and lived by their own lusts and desires.

Put away your lusts and selfish desires that can only last you for short while and seek Him and His everlasting Joy and life. The choice is yours to make, and you will be held accountable for your choices by your Father in heaven.

(11-17-2018 03:48 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Bible commands all things must be done decently and in order. Rushing the border and sneaking in does not meet that criteria.


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How about blocking the border at legal points for people seeking to apply for asylum by legal means at legal points of entry in compliance with US law? You know we are doing that right?

Guys, if you guys want to use your religion to defend the denial of goodwill and charity to those fleeing persecution....that's, sadly, your right.

But you will lead no one to Christ by doing so. This whole line of "Christianity" that endorses what is objectively unendorsable in a contemporary Christian context sounds a bit "Fred Phelpsy" to a lot of people.

We will know you by your works

And the Lord God knows you by yours and will judge you with righteousness over them.

You will be without excuse on that day.

Those who actually accept Christ with their whole heart and put their faith in Him will never be judged for their sins, but will be forgiven for all.

You will not have true Christians standing next to you on judgment day, they will be the actual Judges standing behind the Throne of God. You will stand alone with all the other who rejected the FREE GIFT OF SALVATION and lived by their own lusts and desires.

There's a big difference between praying for someone and praying at them. In the former, I accept it as genuine expression of Christ's love, even if I might not agree with everything in the prayer (or even want to hear it). In the latter, I see it as an offensive appropriation of religiosity for the speakers' personal benefit. A blasphemy if you will.

If you want to be the guy on the streetcorner yelling fire and brimstone at people going about their lives, that's your right. But I'll just tune you out.

But, sure, okay, post about abandoning refugees fleeing persecution even though we have the ability to help, extolling Donald Trump and even arguing that it is biblical to follow him, then try to use your interpretation of the Bible, as well as your projections of me, in a pathetic attempt to try to weaponize the Bible and His Word as a bludgeon. I'm an old queer from Alabama....I've seen it all before.

This is so ridiculous that it doesn't even qualify as hypocrisy. Its really low-pocrisy

(11-17-2018 03:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There's a big difference between praying for someone and praying at them. In the former, I accept it as genuine expression of Christ's love, even if I might not agree with everything in the prayer (or even want to hear it). In the latter, I see it as an offensive appropriation of religiosity for the speakers' personal benefit. A blasphemy if you will.

If you want to be the guy on the streetcorner yelling fire and brimstone at people going about their lives, that's your right. But I'll just tune you out.

But, sure, okay, post about abandoning refugees fleeing persecution even though we have the ability to help, extolling Donald Trump and even arguing that it is biblical to follow him, then try to use your interpretation of the Bible, as well as your projections of me, in a pathetic attempt to try to weaponize the Bible and His Word as a bludgeon. I'm an old queer from Alabama....I've seen it all before.

This is so ridiculous that it doesn't even qualify as hypocrisy. Its really low-pocrisy

You can throw a temper tantrum, lie to yourself and deny the sun will rise in the east all you want. But when the time comes, the sun will still rise in the east.

Just as you can cry and wail and deceive yourself your whole life, but when the day comes you will stand before your Father and be judged for your choice to reject His FREE GIFT of Salvation that he has already paid for.

You will be without excuse, and have no one but yourself to blame for all eternity.

How foolish can you be? All it takes is genuine Faith in Christ.

(11-17-2018 03:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Bible commands all things must be done decently and in order. Rushing the border and sneaking in does not meet that criteria.


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How about blocking the border at legal points for people seeking to apply for asylum by legal means at legal points of entry in compliance with US law? You know we are doing that right?

Guys, if you guys want to use your religion to defend the denial of goodwill and charity to those fleeing persecution....that's, sadly, your right.

But you will lead no one to Christ by doing so. This whole line of "Christianity" that endorses what is objectively unendorsable in a contemporary Christian context sounds a bit "Fred Phelpsy" to a lot of people.

We will know you by your works

You can't give asylum to everyone Tom just because they come from a chithole country. 70% of the population of planet Earth would qualify. Mexico offered asylum. I think daily between legal checkpoints and illegal border crossings Border Patrol details between 1,500-2,000 illegals. Border Patrol in Arizona nabbed 650 over the last 2 days, Thursday and Friday. The Caravan is an NGO manufactured event.

(11-17-2018 04:02 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There's a big difference between praying for someone and praying at them. In the former, I accept it as genuine expression of Christ's love, even if I might not agree with everything in the prayer (or even want to hear it). In the latter, I see it as an offensive appropriation of religiosity for the speakers' personal benefit. A blasphemy if you will.

If you want to be the guy on the streetcorner yelling fire and brimstone at people going about their lives, that's your right. But I'll just tune you out.

But, sure, okay, post about abandoning refugees fleeing persecution even though we have the ability to help, extolling Donald Trump and even arguing that it is biblical to follow him, then try to use your interpretation of the Bible, as well as your projections of me, in a pathetic attempt to try to weaponize the Bible and His Word as a bludgeon. I'm an old queer from Alabama....I've seen it all before.

This is so ridiculous that it doesn't even qualify as hypocrisy. Its really low-pocrisy

You can throw a temper tantrum, lie to yourself and deny the sun will rise in the east all you want. But when the time comes, the sun will still rise in the east.

Just as you can cry and wail and deceive yourself your whole life, but when the day comes you will stand before your Father and be judged for your choice to reject His FREE GIFT of Salvation that he has already paid your ticket for.

You will be without excuse, and have no one but yourself to blame for all eternity.

How foolish can you be? All it takes is genuine Faith in Christ.

Umm...huh. I'm certainly rejecting your interpretation of the Bible. I doubt I'll have to answer for that. But you certainly can get your rocks off thinking about it if you'd like.

But I'll leave you to your own devices now. I think another person might be coming down the street now....quick - grab your bullhorn and yell more of Christ's love at them too!

(11-17-2018 04:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Umm...huh. I'm certainly rejecting your interpretation of the Bible. I doubt I'll have to answer for that. But you certainly can get your rocks off thinking about it if you'd like.

But I'll leave you to your own devices now. I think another person might be coming down the street now....quick - grab your bullhorn and yell more of Christ's love at them too!

I'm quoting Jesus Word for Word my friend. He warned of Hell for the lost more than any other person in the Bible. You will be judged by Him and you will either enter His Kingdom or be throw into everlasting torment and Hell. He has given you a free choice and the choice is yours alone.

You can't lie yourself out of what He said.

You will be without excuse and have no one but yourself to blame.

He is offering you Eternal life as a living righteous God in His Kingdom, and all you have to do is believe in Him with all your heart.

(11-17-2018 04:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Bible commands all things must be done decently and in order. Rushing the border and sneaking in does not meet that criteria.


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How about blocking the border at legal points for people seeking to apply for asylum by legal means at legal points of entry in compliance with US law? You know we are doing that right?

Guys, if you guys want to use your religion to defend the denial of goodwill and charity to those fleeing persecution....that's, sadly, your right.

But you will lead no one to Christ by doing so. This whole line of "Christianity" that endorses what is objectively unendorsable in a contemporary Christian context sounds a bit "Fred Phelpsy" to a lot of people.

We will know you by your works

You can't give asylum to everyone Tom just because they come from a chithole country. 70% of the population of planet Earth would qualify. Mexico offered asylum. I think daily between legal checkpoints and illegal border crossings Border Patrol details between 1,500-2,000 illegals. Border Patrol in Arizona nabbed 650 over the last 2 days, Thursday and Friday. The Caravan is an NGO manufactured event.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Caravan wasn't financed by YOUR side.

We can treat asylum seekers fairly, provide them with due process, and treat them with kindness in the process.

Either way, we have a fundamental difference about what kind of country we are. I'm comfortable that my view, which is to hear their claims fairly, provide asylum if merited, and work to reduce the problems that are generating the claims is the best way to go. And at least my concept of morality and charity is consistent with my views. BTW, even if 1% of the entire population of those countries came here, it would only be 300,000 people. Not a huge number (and probably a vast overestimate of those with legitimate asylum claims.

You know, there are things that we could be doing to reduce the problems.

1) Increased aid (economic as well as technical) to the 3 countries comprising the bulk of the asylum requests
2) Placing a moratorium on deporting gang members back to Central America at the end of their sentences. This is the biggest reason for the instability in the 3 countries. Enact a kind of permanent parole for those leaving American prisons that might be deported to places where they will end up in a system that cannot control them (such as a VERY enhanced parole) and give the person the choice of accepting the requirements or being deported.
3) Increasing the number of judges and lawyers available to asylum seekers so that we can humanely process the claims.
4) A greater focus on stopping drug/money laundering/gun running activity between the USA and Central America as to help weaken the gangs that are the root of 90 percent of the problems.

These are things we can try. Right now, we're doing nothing. That doesn't appear to be consistent with my moral beliefs.

(11-17-2018 04:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 04:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Bible commands all things must be done decently and in order. Rushing the border and sneaking in does not meet that criteria.


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How about blocking the border at legal points for people seeking to apply for asylum by legal means at legal points of entry in compliance with US law? You know we are doing that right?

Guys, if you guys want to use your religion to defend the denial of goodwill and charity to those fleeing persecution....that's, sadly, your right.

But you will lead no one to Christ by doing so. This whole line of "Christianity" that endorses what is objectively unendorsable in a contemporary Christian context sounds a bit "Fred Phelpsy" to a lot of people.

We will know you by your works

You can't give asylum to everyone Tom just because they come from a chithole country. 70% of the population of planet Earth would qualify. Mexico offered asylum. I think daily between legal checkpoints and illegal border crossings Border Patrol details between 1,500-2,000 illegals. Border Patrol in Arizona nabbed 650 over the last 2 days, Thursday and Friday. The Caravan is an NGO manufactured event.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Caravan wasn't financed by YOUR side.

We can treat asylum seekers fairly, provide them with due process, and treat them with kindness in the process.

Either way, we have a fundamental difference about what kind of country we are. I'm comfortable that my view, which is to hear their claims fairly, provide asylum if merited, and work to reduce the problems that are generating the claims is the best way to go. And at least my concept of morality and charity is consistent with my views. BTW, even if 1% of the entire population of those countries came here, it would only be 300,000 people. Not a huge number (and probably a vast overestimate of those with legitimate asylum claims.

You know, there are things that we could be doing to reduce the problems.

1) Increased aid (economic as well as technical) to the 3 countries comprising the bulk of the asylum requests
2) Placing a moratorium on deporting gang members back to Central America at the end of their sentences. This is the biggest reason for the instability in the 3 countries. Enact a kind of permanent parole for those leaving American prisons that might be deported to places where they will end up in a system that cannot control them (such as a VERY enhanced parole) and give the person the choice of accepting the requirements or being deported.
3) Increasing the number of judges and lawyers available to asylum seekers so that we can humanely process the claims.
4) A greater focus on stopping drug/money laundering/gun running activity between the USA and Central America as to help weaken the gangs that are the root of 90 percent of the problems.

These are things we can try. Right now, we're doing nothing. That doesn't appear to be consistent with my moral beliefs.

LOL at the bold. Wrong team.
USA treats people more than fair. There is already at least 22 Million here residing illegally. We can't stop anything or put a dent in anything until there is a much more secure border. Giving money to corrupt leaders of those countries won't help.

We need a gazillion more beds to house detainees. Dam near everyone gets released and they vanish into the USA. We need more judges and they can have the cases heard inside detention facilites, not released.

(11-17-2018 03:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Bible commands all things must be done decently and in order. Rushing the border and sneaking in does not meet that criteria.


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How about blocking the border at legal points for people seeking to apply for asylum by legal means at legal points of entry in compliance with US law? You know we are doing that right?

Guys, if you guys want to use your religion to defend the denial of goodwill and charity to those fleeing persecution....that's, sadly, your right.

But you will lead no one to Christ by doing so. This whole line of "Christianity" that endorses what is objectively unendorsable in a contemporary Christian context sounds a bit "Fred Phelpsy" to a lot of people.

We will know you by your works

Not everyone gets into heaven, people are blocked there.


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(11-17-2018 05:20 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Bible commands all things must be done decently and in order. Rushing the border and sneaking in does not meet that criteria.


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How about blocking the border at legal points for people seeking to apply for asylum by legal means at legal points of entry in compliance with US law? You know we are doing that right?

Guys, if you guys want to use your religion to defend the denial of goodwill and charity to those fleeing persecution....that's, sadly, your right.

But you will lead no one to Christ by doing so. This whole line of "Christianity" that endorses what is objectively unendorsable in a contemporary Christian context sounds a bit "Fred Phelpsy" to a lot of people.

We will know you by your works

Not everyone gets into heaven, people are blocked there.


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Its a blatantly obvious lie to say the only way we can help people are to let them across our boarders.

We already give literally trillions of dollars in aid to poor countries and will literally give trillions more. Billions more will come from individuals and churches across the nation.

The lefts entire position here is a lie stacked on a lie stacked on a lie. Classic progressive liberalism.

(11-17-2018 11:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 06:52 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I'm hearing a wave of openly godless liberals all parroting each other trying to use Mathew 25 against republicans, conservatives and Christians as an excuse to allow millions of illegals to break our laws, charge across our boarders and rack up millions on the taxpayers dollars of Americas.

Well lets take a hard look at that very thing. Matthew 25 in no way says you are expected or required to allow millions of people to break your laws and steal millions from the US taxpayers in the name of Jesus. That is a LIE and NOT what Matthew 25 says. In fact, Christ said nothing in Matt 25 about a government response to illegal immigration in any shape of form. The text is about what individuals CHOOSE to share and do according to their own means and heart, AS INDIVIDUALS.

Its also a blatantly obvious fact that anyone who is on the verge of starving to death is not going to be able to hike 2000 miles from El Salvador to the US boarder.

Its also a fact that not one single person in that or any other caravan has to cross the US boarder to get any support or help from the America government or her citizens, or the gigantic nation they are using as a crossing bridge (Mexico).

The reality is America is already one of the most generous and giving nations that have ever existed on the face of this planet. And the individual citizens are some of the most giving that have ever existed as well. American gives TRILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid to heal, feed, cloth, shelter and support poor people across the globe. I, like most Americans, want to do what I can to help poor people across the globe and do so. But that in non way requires us to take in millions of illegals who openly defy our laws, rip off our taxpayers and refuse to learn our langue or join or society at all.

Don't let these godless liars use the Gospel against you in such a dishonest manner. PUSH BACK WITH THE TRUTH. Matthew 25 says NOTHING about a governments response to illegal immigration, and illegal immigration is NOT a viable solution to global poverty. Matthew 25 speaks of each individuals response to help the poor and needy and is NOT an endorsement of open boarders and illegal immigration.

In fact, Christ taught quite clearly to respect the laws of the land that they are put there by the will of GOD, and render unto Caesar what is his. He NEVER spoke of telling the poor to break laws, charge illegally across boarders and steal from honest tax payers.

Let me just distill what many, if not most Americans feel about religious views like the one you espouse here.

"I got mine, screw you"
"Migrants are criminals"
"People who don't speak English are bad people"
"My God requires YOUR compliance with laws that I decide are godly, but requires MY non-compliance with ones that I decide are ungodly"

But hey, don't forget to send your kids down to Costa Rica on a Spring Break Mission Trip so they can paint half a wall somewhere. Congrats. You fixed Central America!

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The fastest growing religious preference is 'decline to state/none' precisely because we know you through your works.

I get it. Atheists and pagans deny God yet, in Alinsky fashion, try to use the Bible against Christians all the while not even realizing they have no clue what they're talking about.

Sure, there are so-called Christians who are "woke". They get the Bible wrong, too.


Here's an idea, stop trying to "trick" Christians by using the Bible.

It doesn't look good on y'all.

(11-17-2018 11:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Let me just distill what many, if not most Americans feel about religious views like the one you espouse here.

"I got mine, screw you"
"Migrants are criminals"
"People who don't speak English are bad people"
"My God requires YOUR compliance with laws that I decide are godly, but requires MY non-compliance with ones that I decide are ungodly"

But hey, don't forget to send your kids down to Costa Rica on a Spring Break Mission Trip so they can paint half a wall somewhere. Congrats. You fixed Central America!

What a ridiculously self-serving and false attribution. For someone who comes on here seeking to be respected for your minority views, you sure have no problem painting others with your broad and judgmental brush

(11-17-2018 03:36 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The GOP's religion is politics too.

The reason why the Dems do better than the GOP in fundraising from individual donors is that Dems tend to be wealthier overall. The top 20 wealthiest Congressional Districts are all Democrat. Even with gerrymandering, 63% of the nations GDP is created/earned in Democratic represented districts.

In the GOP, a far larger percentage of campaign money has come from mega donors. So many GOP donors sit on the sidelines, expecting Foster Fries or Sheldon Adelson to foot the bill. Dems have mega donors too, but its not as consolidated like in the GOP.

The Dems also have much better ways of raising money, especially from small/medium sized donors.

Dems do give to charity too. And some of that GOP charity is inherently political too. Or just wasted (like donating to a mega rich super pastor like Osteen)

I can't keep your spin straight.
Is the GOP supporting 'their' God or the GOP? YOu argue both sides of your mouth here.... of course you know this.

You then admit that your party is owned by small wealthy portions of the electorate... and then begrudge a few wealthy Republicans for fighting back against the tyranny of the wealthy


You really need to stop arguing for the DNC. You're not helping them

(11-17-2018 03:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 03:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Bible commands all things must be done decently and in order. Rushing the border and sneaking in does not meet that criteria.


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How about blocking the border at legal points for people seeking to apply for asylum by legal means at legal points of entry in compliance with US law? You know we are doing that right?

Guys, if you guys want to use your religion to defend the denial of goodwill and charity to those fleeing persecution....that's, sadly, your right.

But you will lead no one to Christ by doing so. This whole line of "Christianity" that endorses what is objectively unendorsable in a contemporary Christian context sounds a bit "Fred Phelpsy" to a lot of people.

We will know you by your works

“We shall know them by their works” is not just aimed at Christians but all people. I think Christians as a whole have represented Christ in a good way. It’s lasted 2000 years. How has atheism represented?
The Bible also says “you shall know them by their words”. You are easy to “know”.

(11-17-2018 03:40 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:26 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:11 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Better yet he won't because that's what he does. He doesn't debate he hits his talking points and veers into whataboutism when further discussion is to be had. He's a NPC.
Immigration good cause media says so...
Point countered by non NPC...
Orange man bad here's why.

You can just google "Jerry Fallwell Trump Stormy Daniels" or "evangelical pastor supports Trump adultery" and find ample evidence of evangelicals supporting Trump in the face of demonstrable hedonism. That was my point. And I stand by it.

If the choice is between a nationalist womanizer who supports religious freedom and a progressive globalist who attacks religious freedom and wants open boarders and millions of illegals on the taxpayer dime, Christians are going to support the nationalist freedom of religion womanizer every single time.

Of course many republicans are not even really Christians and basically non religious so your entire point is dishonest and stupid.

Republicans vote for a Political leader who respects our rights and morals, not a religious leader to play president. Liberals vote for a high priest or priestess of their religion, which is liberal progressivism.

May be why the Democrats have had such a money advantage the last 10 years. Their religion is their politics and they give to it. Conservatives give to their churches and charities.

They contribute to the church of liberalism. The main sacrament of the church of liberalism is abortion.


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Only liberals get abortions?