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(11-05-2018 09:45 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  TOTAL VIEWERS (Listed in millions)

THROUGH WEEK 7

TOTAL
155.823 - SEC
129.835 - Big Ten
109.472 - ACC
72.024 - Pac 12
69.790 - Big 12

20.163 - AAC
14.285 - MWC
6.882 - MAC
4.737 - Sun Belt
3.738 - CUSA

AVERAGE
11.130 - SEC
9.274 - Big Ten
7.819 - ACC
6.979 - Big 12
6.002 - Pac 12

1.680 - AAC
1.190 - MWC
0.574 - MAC
0.395 - Sun Belt
0.267 - CUSA

MEDIAN
9.332 - SEC
6.860 - Big Ten
6.424 - Big 12
5.788 - Pac 12
5.525 - ACC

0.980 - AAC
0.455 - MWC
0.314 - MAC
0.002 - CUSA
0.000 - Sun Belt

And here are total viewers by team:

AAC
4.449 - Memphis (3)
3.742 - Cincinnati (2)
3.057 - Temple (5)
2.511 - Houston (3)
2.361 - South Florida (2)
1.139 - Connecticut (3)
0.820 - Central Florida (3)
0.695 - Navy (2)
0.633 - Tulsa (2)
0.384 - East Carolina (3)
0.372 - SMU (1)

MWC
4.843 - Boise State (5)
2.070 - Fresno State (1)
2.034 - Colorado State (2)
1.760 - Utah State (1)
1.053 - New Mexico (1)
0.455 - Hawaii (1)
0.455 - Wyoming (1)
0.450 - UNLV (2)
0.421 - Nevada (1)
0.400 - San Jose State (2)
0.344 - San Diego State (1)

Great data!!! Would be very interested to find current stats this year.

And it clearly highlights that UC is on the wrong side of the chasm. The lowest P5 has in excess of 3 times as many viewers. P6? - ROFLMAO

You have to look at networks. Put the American on ESPN and they draw. I think you have to see how each league does on each network because ESPN isn’t the same as ESPNU and CBS isn’t the same as CBSSN.

(11-05-2018 09:52 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:45 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  TOTAL VIEWERS (Listed in millions)

THROUGH WEEK 7

TOTAL
155.823 - SEC
129.835 - Big Ten
109.472 - ACC
72.024 - Pac 12
69.790 - Big 12

20.163 - AAC
14.285 - MWC
6.882 - MAC
4.737 - Sun Belt
3.738 - CUSA

AVERAGE
11.130 - SEC
9.274 - Big Ten
7.819 - ACC
6.979 - Big 12
6.002 - Pac 12

1.680 - AAC
1.190 - MWC
0.574 - MAC
0.395 - Sun Belt
0.267 - CUSA

MEDIAN
9.332 - SEC
6.860 - Big Ten
6.424 - Big 12
5.788 - Pac 12
5.525 - ACC

0.980 - AAC
0.455 - MWC
0.314 - MAC
0.002 - CUSA
0.000 - Sun Belt

And here are total viewers by team:

AAC
4.449 - Memphis (3)
3.742 - Cincinnati (2)
3.057 - Temple (5)
2.511 - Houston (3)
2.361 - South Florida (2)
1.139 - Connecticut (3)
0.820 - Central Florida (3)
0.695 - Navy (2)
0.633 - Tulsa (2)
0.384 - East Carolina (3)
0.372 - SMU (1)

MWC
4.843 - Boise State (5)
2.070 - Fresno State (1)
2.034 - Colorado State (2)
1.760 - Utah State (1)
1.053 - New Mexico (1)
0.455 - Hawaii (1)
0.455 - Wyoming (1)
0.450 - UNLV (2)
0.421 - Nevada (1)
0.400 - San Jose State (2)
0.344 - San Diego State (1)

Great data!!! Would be very interested to find current stats this year.

And it clearly highlights that UC is on the wrong side of the chasm. The lowest P5 has in excess of 3 times as many viewers. P6? - ROFLMAO

You have to look at networks. Put the American on ESPN and they draw. I think you have to see how each league does on each network because ESPN isn’t the same as ESPNU and CBS isn’t the same as CBSSN.

The league has drawn really well when it's on ABC/ESPN. UCF v. Temple I think was the second highest rated Thursday night game of the year (the only game higher did not go against the NFL). I'd love to see a comparison across channels.

(11-05-2018 09:52 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:45 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  TOTAL VIEWERS (Listed in millions)

THROUGH WEEK 7

TOTAL
155.823 - SEC
129.835 - Big Ten
109.472 - ACC
72.024 - Pac 12
69.790 - Big 12

20.163 - AAC
14.285 - MWC
6.882 - MAC
4.737 - Sun Belt
3.738 - CUSA

AVERAGE
11.130 - SEC
9.274 - Big Ten
7.819 - ACC
6.979 - Big 12
6.002 - Pac 12

1.680 - AAC
1.190 - MWC
0.574 - MAC
0.395 - Sun Belt
0.267 - CUSA

MEDIAN
9.332 - SEC
6.860 - Big Ten
6.424 - Big 12
5.788 - Pac 12
5.525 - ACC

0.980 - AAC
0.455 - MWC
0.314 - MAC
0.002 - CUSA
0.000 - Sun Belt

And here are total viewers by team:

AAC
4.449 - Memphis (3)
3.742 - Cincinnati (2)
3.057 - Temple (5)
2.511 - Houston (3)
2.361 - South Florida (2)
1.139 - Connecticut (3)
0.820 - Central Florida (3)
0.695 - Navy (2)
0.633 - Tulsa (2)
0.384 - East Carolina (3)
0.372 - SMU (1)

MWC
4.843 - Boise State (5)
2.070 - Fresno State (1)
2.034 - Colorado State (2)
1.760 - Utah State (1)
1.053 - New Mexico (1)
0.455 - Hawaii (1)
0.455 - Wyoming (1)
0.450 - UNLV (2)
0.421 - Nevada (1)
0.400 - San Jose State (2)
0.344 - San Diego State (1)

Great data!!! Would be very interested to find current stats this year.

And it clearly highlights that UC is on the wrong side of the chasm. The lowest P5 has in excess of 3 times as many viewers. P6? - ROFLMAO

You have to look at networks. Put the American on ESPN and they draw. I think you have to see how each league does on each network because ESPN isn’t the same as ESPNU and CBS isn’t the same as CBSSN.

But the exact same thing can be said about the MWC, and they're further hindered by many of their teams playing in the Pacific time zone. Also, all the P5 conferences have plenty of games every week on secondary networks (ESPNU, FS1, their conference networks and so on). You can put UC or Boise on ABC at 3:30 and Ohio State or Michigan on the BTN at 11AM, and the latter is still going to draw more viewers than the former. And there's a simple business reason that isn't happening. The networks and their advertisers aren't selecting games in order to keep the AAC down. They're selecting the games for which there is the biggest market. People can spin it all they want, but there is no P6.

(11-05-2018 09:58 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:52 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:45 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  TOTAL VIEWERS (Listed in millions)

THROUGH WEEK 7

TOTAL
155.823 - SEC
129.835 - Big Ten
109.472 - ACC
72.024 - Pac 12
69.790 - Big 12

20.163 - AAC
14.285 - MWC
6.882 - MAC
4.737 - Sun Belt
3.738 - CUSA

AVERAGE
11.130 - SEC
9.274 - Big Ten
7.819 - ACC
6.979 - Big 12
6.002 - Pac 12

1.680 - AAC
1.190 - MWC
0.574 - MAC
0.395 - Sun Belt
0.267 - CUSA

MEDIAN
9.332 - SEC
6.860 - Big Ten
6.424 - Big 12
5.788 - Pac 12
5.525 - ACC

0.980 - AAC
0.455 - MWC
0.314 - MAC
0.002 - CUSA
0.000 - Sun Belt

And here are total viewers by team:

AAC
4.449 - Memphis (3)
3.742 - Cincinnati (2)
3.057 - Temple (5)
2.511 - Houston (3)
2.361 - South Florida (2)
1.139 - Connecticut (3)
0.820 - Central Florida (3)
0.695 - Navy (2)
0.633 - Tulsa (2)
0.384 - East Carolina (3)
0.372 - SMU (1)

MWC
4.843 - Boise State (5)
2.070 - Fresno State (1)
2.034 - Colorado State (2)
1.760 - Utah State (1)
1.053 - New Mexico (1)
0.455 - Hawaii (1)
0.455 - Wyoming (1)
0.450 - UNLV (2)
0.421 - Nevada (1)
0.400 - San Jose State (2)
0.344 - San Diego State (1)

Great data!!! Would be very interested to find current stats this year.

And it clearly highlights that UC is on the wrong side of the chasm. The lowest P5 has in excess of 3 times as many viewers. P6? - ROFLMAO

You have to look at networks. Put the American on ESPN and they draw. I think you have to see how each league does on each network because ESPN isn’t the same as ESPNU and CBS isn’t the same as CBSSN.

But the exact same thing can be said about the MWC, and they're further hindered by many of their teams playing in the Pacific time zone. Also, all the P5 conferences have plenty of games every week on secondary networks (ESPNU, FS1, their conference networks and so on). You can put UC or Boise on ABC at 3:30 and Ohio State or Michigan on the BTN at 11AM, and the latter is still going to draw more viewers than the former. And there's a simple business reason that isn't happening. The networks and their advertisers aren't selecting games in order to keep the AAC down. They're selecting the games for which there is the biggest market. People can spin it all they want, but there is no P6.

That isn’t true either. Go look at ratings when the American plays on top level network they do as good as most power schools outside of the elite programs.

(11-05-2018 09:52 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:45 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  TOTAL VIEWERS (Listed in millions)

THROUGH WEEK 7

TOTAL
155.823 - SEC
129.835 - Big Ten
109.472 - ACC
72.024 - Pac 12
69.790 - Big 12

20.163 - AAC
14.285 - MWC
6.882 - MAC
4.737 - Sun Belt
3.738 - CUSA

AVERAGE
11.130 - SEC
9.274 - Big Ten
7.819 - ACC
6.979 - Big 12
6.002 - Pac 12

1.680 - AAC
1.190 - MWC
0.574 - MAC
0.395 - Sun Belt
0.267 - CUSA

MEDIAN
9.332 - SEC
6.860 - Big Ten
6.424 - Big 12
5.788 - Pac 12
5.525 - ACC

0.980 - AAC
0.455 - MWC
0.314 - MAC
0.002 - CUSA
0.000 - Sun Belt

And here are total viewers by team:

AAC
4.449 - Memphis (3)
3.742 - Cincinnati (2)
3.057 - Temple (5)
2.511 - Houston (3)
2.361 - South Florida (2)
1.139 - Connecticut (3)
0.820 - Central Florida (3)
0.695 - Navy (2)
0.633 - Tulsa (2)
0.384 - East Carolina (3)
0.372 - SMU (1)

MWC
4.843 - Boise State (5)
2.070 - Fresno State (1)
2.034 - Colorado State (2)
1.760 - Utah State (1)
1.053 - New Mexico (1)
0.455 - Hawaii (1)
0.455 - Wyoming (1)
0.450 - UNLV (2)
0.421 - Nevada (1)
0.400 - San Jose State (2)
0.344 - San Diego State (1)

Great data!!! Would be very interested to find current stats this year.

And it clearly highlights that UC is on the wrong side of the chasm. The lowest P5 has in excess of 3 times as many viewers. P6? - ROFLMAO

You have to look at networks. Put the American on ESPN and they draw. I think you have to see how each league does on each network because ESPN isn’t the same as ESPNU and CBS isn’t the same as CBSSN.

Lol. And the reason they are not on those networks is that advertisers don't want to pay for a UC - SMU game. Heck, SMU fans dont want to pay to go to a game. Advertisers, and that silly thing so many AAC white knighters want to dismiss - MONEY, dictates who is on what network and when. Just like MACnation being forced to play games on Tuesday night.

(11-05-2018 09:58 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  But the exact same thing can be said about the MWC, and they're further hindered by many of their teams playing in the Pacific time zone. Also, all the P5 conferences have plenty of games every week on secondary networks (ESPNU, FS1, their conference networks and so on). You can put UC or Boise on ABC at 3:30 and Ohio State or Michigan on the BTN at 11AM, and the latter is still going to draw more viewers than the former. And there's a simple business reason that isn't happening. The networks and their advertisers aren't selecting games in order to keep the AAC down. They're selecting the games for which there is the biggest market. People can spin it all they want, but there is no P6.

I guess it depends what you mean. Clearly there is more money and value in the other 5 leagues. Though again compare AAC games on ABC / ESPN with Big 12 games on Fox / FS1 and I think the gap narrows considerably.

The point of the P6 argument is as much about separation from the rest of the G4 as it is about being an actual P6. To that end, the league has better numbers than the G4 and has had better overall computer numbers year after year. Every time a national guy argues that there is no P6 that the AAC claims it gets the conference in that conversation. It's absolutely been a winning strategy for the league. Whether it can ever get to a place where it reflects the argument in results /ratings I am skeptical, but I like the ambition and I think it has paid dividends.

(11-05-2018 10:05 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:58 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  But the exact same thing can be said about the MWC, and they're further hindered by many of their teams playing in the Pacific time zone. Also, all the P5 conferences have plenty of games every week on secondary networks (ESPNU, FS1, their conference networks and so on). You can put UC or Boise on ABC at 3:30 and Ohio State or Michigan on the BTN at 11AM, and the latter is still going to draw more viewers than the former. And there's a simple business reason that isn't happening. The networks and their advertisers aren't selecting games in order to keep the AAC down. They're selecting the games for which there is the biggest market. People can spin it all they want, but there is no P6.

I guess it depends what you mean. Clearly there is more money and value in the other 5 leagues. Though again compare AAC games on ABC / ESPN with Big 12 games on Fox / FS1 and I think the gap narrows considerably.

The point of the P6 argument is as much about separation from the rest of the G4 as it is about being an actual P6. To that end, the league has better numbers than the G4 and has had better overall computer numbers year after year. Every time a national guy argues that there is no P6 that the AAC claims it gets the conference in that conversation. It's absolutely been a winning strategy for the league. Whether it can ever get to a place where it reflects the argument in results /ratings I am skeptical, but I like the ambition and I think it has paid dividends.

To me it comes of as ridiculous, alienates the other G5 conferences and does nothing to gain any attention from the P5. From a public relations standpoint it comes off more as bragging about being the smartest kid on the short bus than moving the system in any meaningful way. I'd much rather the AAC find a constructive way to work with the other G5s and present a unified front to get a G5 autobid in an 8 team league as opposed to tilting at windmills.

I think that having games on CBS Sports Network has been a real downer for ratings. A lot of viewers simply can't get CBSSN without paying more, if at all.

A couple of weeks ago, sitting with friends in a restaurant with multiple TV's, CBSSN simply was not available.

Once you get used to not having your team available to watch, you don't bother to go looking for it. (OSU fans don't have that problem) It feeds on itself. Certainly there is more to it, but I think it is a real factor.

And as to the original question - G5 championship is a BAD idea.

(11-05-2018 10:22 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 10:05 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:58 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  But the exact same thing can be said about the MWC, and they're further hindered by many of their teams playing in the Pacific time zone. Also, all the P5 conferences have plenty of games every week on secondary networks (ESPNU, FS1, their conference networks and so on). You can put UC or Boise on ABC at 3:30 and Ohio State or Michigan on the BTN at 11AM, and the latter is still going to draw more viewers than the former. And there's a simple business reason that isn't happening. The networks and their advertisers aren't selecting games in order to keep the AAC down. They're selecting the games for which there is the biggest market. People can spin it all they want, but there is no P6.

I guess it depends what you mean. Clearly there is more money and value in the other 5 leagues. Though again compare AAC games on ABC / ESPN with Big 12 games on Fox / FS1 and I think the gap narrows considerably.

The point of the P6 argument is as much about separation from the rest of the G4 as it is about being an actual P6. To that end, the league has better numbers than the G4 and has had better overall computer numbers year after year. Every time a national guy argues that there is no P6 that the AAC claims it gets the conference in that conversation. It's absolutely been a winning strategy for the league. Whether it can ever get to a place where it reflects the argument in results /ratings I am skeptical, but I like the ambition and I think it has paid dividends.

To me it comes of as ridiculous, alienates the other G5 conferences and does nothing to gain any attention from the P5. From a public relations standpoint it comes off more as bragging about being the smartest kid on the short bus than moving the system in any meaningful way. I'd much rather the AAC find a constructive way to work with the other G5s and present a unified front to get a G5 autobid in an 8 team league as opposed to tilting at windmills.

Agreed. And yes, UC is on the short bus to the Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl vs a CUSA team. A great turnaround season for the coaches and players - but that will be our prize.

(11-05-2018 09:45 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  TOTAL VIEWERS (Listed in millions)

THROUGH WEEK 7

TOTAL
155.823 - SEC
129.835 - Big Ten
109.472 - ACC
72.024 - Pac 12
69.790 - Big 12

20.163 - AAC
14.285 - MWC
6.882 - MAC
4.737 - Sun Belt
3.738 - CUSA

AVERAGE
11.130 - SEC
9.274 - Big Ten
7.819 - ACC
6.979 - Big 12
6.002 - Pac 12

1.680 - AAC
1.190 - MWC
0.574 - MAC
0.395 - Sun Belt
0.267 - CUSA

MEDIAN
9.332 - SEC
6.860 - Big Ten
6.424 - Big 12
5.788 - Pac 12
5.525 - ACC

0.980 - AAC
0.455 - MWC
0.314 - MAC
0.002 - CUSA
0.000 - Sun Belt

And here are total viewers by team:

AAC
4.449 - Memphis (3)
3.742 - Cincinnati (2)
3.057 - Temple (5)
2.511 - Houston (3)
2.361 - South Florida (2)
1.139 - Connecticut (3)
0.820 - Central Florida (3)
0.695 - Navy (2)
0.633 - Tulsa (2)
0.384 - East Carolina (3)
0.372 - SMU (1)

MWC
4.843 - Boise State (5)
2.070 - Fresno State (1)
2.034 - Colorado State (2)
1.760 - Utah State (1)
1.053 - New Mexico (1)
0.455 - Hawaii (1)
0.455 - Wyoming (1)
0.450 - UNLV (2)
0.421 - Nevada (1)
0.400 - San Jose State (2)
0.344 - San Diego State (1)

Great data!!! Would be very interested to find current stats this year.

And it clearly highlights that UC is on the wrong side of the chasm. The lowest P5 has in excess of 3 times as many viewers. P6? - ROFLMAO

To be fair - i wonder how much of this is influenced by our media deal being less than relative to these other schools. At one point we were on par (somewhat) in the Big East. When accessible in the same way as smaller metro schools are in these P5 conferences how did we compare viewership wise? IDK.





mc

(11-04-2018 05:33 PM)jarr Wrote:  I know the idea of a G5 championship has been thrown around, and I agree that it sort of admits to being minor league. I do wonder of there was a way the top 2 G5 teams could play each other at a neutral site prior to the bowl selections, basically move the conference championship games up. This would allow a team like UCF to get another quality win opportunity, this year it would most likely be UCF vs Utah St. or Fresno, basically the MW winner.

From looking at UCF's schedule, it is too bad they couldn't get some better OOC teams to help their cause. If they go undefeated again and get denied it may be tile to lawyer up. This may be a good year to get snubbed anyway as Alabama and Clemson currently look to be on a different world right now no matter who they play. UCF may be better off facing a team like Washington St. or LSU in the Peach Bowl.

lol heck no

This year is showing how much the P5 and their mainstream media partners want to bury the G5. This helps the P5 keep everyone else out from ever having a Cinderella run and showing there's hope and the media networks get to undercut the G5 on rights deals.

On a somewhat related note, the biggest thing UCF is getting hammered for so far is Strength of Schedule. Let's say somehow UC runs the table this year, gets some momentum and hype going into next season, and then runs the table next year which would include a win AT Ohio State. I know it would still be a long shot but would there be ANY chance of getting a playoff shot if they were one of the only undefeated teams left standing?

All this UCF disrespect makes me wonder what it would ever take for a G5 team to even get remotely close to the playoff as it stands? I keep praying for more realignment in the future. With the renovated Nippert and 5/3 I can't think of a school more prepared to make the jump to the P5.

(11-05-2018 12:30 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 10:22 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 10:05 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:58 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  But the exact same thing can be said about the MWC, and they're further hindered by many of their teams playing in the Pacific time zone. Also, all the P5 conferences have plenty of games every week on secondary networks (ESPNU, FS1, their conference networks and so on). You can put UC or Boise on ABC at 3:30 and Ohio State or Michigan on the BTN at 11AM, and the latter is still going to draw more viewers than the former. And there's a simple business reason that isn't happening. The networks and their advertisers aren't selecting games in order to keep the AAC down. They're selecting the games for which there is the biggest market. People can spin it all they want, but there is no P6.

I guess it depends what you mean. Clearly there is more money and value in the other 5 leagues. Though again compare AAC games on ABC / ESPN with Big 12 games on Fox / FS1 and I think the gap narrows considerably.

The point of the P6 argument is as much about separation from the rest of the G4 as it is about being an actual P6. To that end, the league has better numbers than the G4 and has had better overall computer numbers year after year. Every time a national guy argues that there is no P6 that the AAC claims it gets the conference in that conversation. It's absolutely been a winning strategy for the league. Whether it can ever get to a place where it reflects the argument in results /ratings I am skeptical, but I like the ambition and I think it has paid dividends.

To me it comes of as ridiculous, alienates the other G5 conferences and does nothing to gain any attention from the P5. From a public relations standpoint it comes off more as bragging about being the smartest kid on the short bus than moving the system in any meaningful way. I'd much rather the AAC find a constructive way to work with the other G5s and present a unified front to get a G5 autobid in an 8 team league as opposed to tilting at windmills.

Agreed. And yes, UC is on the short bus to the Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl vs a CUSA team. A great turnaround season for the coaches and players - but that will be our prize.

UC wins the home games. I really believe the Military Bowl gives UC a bid. Temple has been there more recently and is still looking at 7-5 most likely. USF is staying in Florida and Houston is going to get whatever is the best bowl in closest to them.

UCF-Peach
Cincinnati-Military
Houston-Frisco

Most bowl projections outside the New Years are just so bad by most sites. They ignore things bowl tie-ins and selection order. No way SMU plays in Military Bowl and UC is in Texas which is the Sporting News pick. I have seen a projection where the American doesn’t fill the Military so they can fill the Cure Bowl?

Does the media even try?

(11-05-2018 10:29 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 12:30 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 10:22 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 10:05 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:58 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  But the exact same thing can be said about the MWC, and they're further hindered by many of their teams playing in the Pacific time zone. Also, all the P5 conferences have plenty of games every week on secondary networks (ESPNU, FS1, their conference networks and so on). You can put UC or Boise on ABC at 3:30 and Ohio State or Michigan on the BTN at 11AM, and the latter is still going to draw more viewers than the former. And there's a simple business reason that isn't happening. The networks and their advertisers aren't selecting games in order to keep the AAC down. They're selecting the games for which there is the biggest market. People can spin it all they want, but there is no P6.

I guess it depends what you mean. Clearly there is more money and value in the other 5 leagues. Though again compare AAC games on ABC / ESPN with Big 12 games on Fox / FS1 and I think the gap narrows considerably.

The point of the P6 argument is as much about separation from the rest of the G4 as it is about being an actual P6. To that end, the league has better numbers than the G4 and has had better overall computer numbers year after year. Every time a national guy argues that there is no P6 that the AAC claims it gets the conference in that conversation. It's absolutely been a winning strategy for the league. Whether it can ever get to a place where it reflects the argument in results /ratings I am skeptical, but I like the ambition and I think it has paid dividends.

To me it comes of as ridiculous, alienates the other G5 conferences and does nothing to gain any attention from the P5. From a public relations standpoint it comes off more as bragging about being the smartest kid on the short bus than moving the system in any meaningful way. I'd much rather the AAC find a constructive way to work with the other G5s and present a unified front to get a G5 autobid in an 8 team league as opposed to tilting at windmills.

Agreed. And yes, UC is on the short bus to the Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl vs a CUSA team. A great turnaround season for the coaches and players - but that will be our prize.

UC wins the home games. I really believe the Military Bowl gives UC a bid. Temple has been there more recently and is still looking at 7-5 most likely. USF is staying in Florida and Houston is going to get whatever is the best bowl in closest to them.

UCF-Peach
Cincinnati-Military
Houston-Frisco

UC - Pitt in Annapolis
Not the best weather destination, but I did make the trip to the International Bowl in Toronto

I would take that as a positive final game to a great season.

Update: Just booked a hotel 20 minutes away.

(11-05-2018 10:22 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 10:05 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:58 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  But the exact same thing can be said about the MWC, and they're further hindered by many of their teams playing in the Pacific time zone. Also, all the P5 conferences have plenty of games every week on secondary networks (ESPNU, FS1, their conference networks and so on). You can put UC or Boise on ABC at 3:30 and Ohio State or Michigan on the BTN at 11AM, and the latter is still going to draw more viewers than the former. And there's a simple business reason that isn't happening. The networks and their advertisers aren't selecting games in order to keep the AAC down. They're selecting the games for which there is the biggest market. People can spin it all they want, but there is no P6.

I guess it depends what you mean. Clearly there is more money and value in the other 5 leagues. Though again compare AAC games on ABC / ESPN with Big 12 games on Fox / FS1 and I think the gap narrows considerably.

The point of the P6 argument is as much about separation from the rest of the G4 as it is about being an actual P6. To that end, the league has better numbers than the G4 and has had better overall computer numbers year after year. Every time a national guy argues that there is no P6 that the AAC claims it gets the conference in that conversation. It's absolutely been a winning strategy for the league. Whether it can ever get to a place where it reflects the argument in results /ratings I am skeptical, but I like the ambition and I think it has paid dividends.

To me it comes of as ridiculous, alienates the other G5 conferences and does nothing to gain any attention from the P5. From a public relations standpoint it comes off more as bragging about being the smartest kid on the short bus than moving the system in any meaningful way. I'd much rather the AAC find a constructive way to work with the other G5s and present a unified front to get a G5 autobid in an 8 team league as opposed to tilting at windmills.

It is no more ridiculous than Alabama claiming to be National Champion in football last season, when clearly South Florida was the defacto National Champion by winning all of their games and beating a team that beat Alabama along the way.

(11-05-2018 10:56 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 10:29 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 12:30 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 10:22 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 10:05 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I guess it depends what you mean. Clearly there is more money and value in the other 5 leagues. Though again compare AAC games on ABC / ESPN with Big 12 games on Fox / FS1 and I think the gap narrows considerably.

The point of the P6 argument is as much about separation from the rest of the G4 as it is about being an actual P6. To that end, the league has better numbers than the G4 and has had better overall computer numbers year after year. Every time a national guy argues that there is no P6 that the AAC claims it gets the conference in that conversation. It's absolutely been a winning strategy for the league. Whether it can ever get to a place where it reflects the argument in results /ratings I am skeptical, but I like the ambition and I think it has paid dividends.

To me it comes of as ridiculous, alienates the other G5 conferences and does nothing to gain any attention from the P5. From a public relations standpoint it comes off more as bragging about being the smartest kid on the short bus than moving the system in any meaningful way. I'd much rather the AAC find a constructive way to work with the other G5s and present a unified front to get a G5 autobid in an 8 team league as opposed to tilting at windmills.

Agreed. And yes, UC is on the short bus to the Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl vs a CUSA team. A great turnaround season for the coaches and players - but that will be our prize.

UC wins the home games. I really believe the Military Bowl gives UC a bid. Temple has been there more recently and is still looking at 7-5 most likely. USF is staying in Florida and Houston is going to get whatever is the best bowl in closest to them.

UCF-Peach
Cincinnati-Military
Houston-Frisco

UC - Pitt in Annapolis
Not the best weather destination, but I did make the trip to the International Bowl in Toronto

I would take that as a positive final game to a great season.

Update: Just booked a hotel 20 minutes away.

Thanks for the early hint. Just booked Westin Annapolis 2 miles away.

(11-05-2018 10:18 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  This year is showing how much the P5 and their mainstream media partners want to bury the G5. This helps the P5 keep everyone else out from ever having a Cinderella run and showing there's hope and the media networks get to undercut the G5 on rights deals.

On a somewhat related note, the biggest thing UCF is getting hammered for so far is Strength of Schedule. Let's say somehow UC runs the table this year, gets some momentum and hype going into next season, and then runs the table next year which would include a win AT Ohio State. I know it would still be a long shot but would there be ANY chance of getting a playoff shot if they were one of the only undefeated teams left standing?

All this UCF disrespect makes me wonder what it would ever take for a G5 team to even get remotely close to the playoff as it stands? I keep praying for more realignment in the future. With the renovated Nippert and 5/3 I can't think of a school more prepared to make the jump to the P5.

Think UCF may have created some of this hatred with their own "national champions" marketing campaign? One couldn't help but notice during its game last week whenever viewers got the field camera shot up toward the private boxes the nation saw the giant illuminated sign, "2017 National Champions".

From a distance, I at first admired their celebrations and poking the P5 powers in the eye. On the other hand, had UC been in that position, I don't think our University would have wanted to be the poster child for that cause. In making the point, UCF also brought ridicule upon its program. Imagine how we'd feel if a MAC school went undefeated, won the access bowl, and made a similar claim? This board would be filled with comments about "little brother syndrome" and that the outcome was a total fluke.

On a positive note though, UCF's celebrations and proclamations, along with winning 21 straight, have kept a hot spotlight on the problem far longer than the CFP folks ever imagined; they wanted it buried long ago. Some sportswriters and talking heads have taken up the cause and added fuel to the fire for an expanded playoff.

The P5 group created a caste system and humans innately like to divide and classify. It has worked to perfection for the "in crowd". So well in fact that it now casts a shadow over college basketball too with people referring to programs as P5 or G5 which is a complete misnomer.

Bottom line is that if UC was safely tucked into a P5 conference, none of us would likely give a damn about UCF claiming anything or the plight of G5 schools in general.