My alma mater, the University of Montevallo, a Division 2 school, has both men’s & women’s soccer teams, and usually does quite well in both sports. They have even upgraded the field/stadium since I graduated. That being said, I was disappointed to see that not many Division 1 schools have men’s soccer at all. Why not?

(10-29-2018 06:56 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  My alma mater, the University of Montevallo, a Division 2 school, has both men’s & women’s soccer teams, and usually does quite well in both sports. They have even upgraded the field/stadium since I graduated. That being said, I was disappointed to see that not many Division 1 schools have men’s soccer at all. Why not?

probably due to title 9 stuff

All of the schools in the ACC with the exception of Georgia Tech and Miami play men's soccer.

Soccer does not draw a crowd.


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(10-29-2018 07:02 PM)UCBearcat4ever Wrote:  

(10-29-2018 06:56 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  My alma mater, the University of Montevallo, a Division 2 school, has both men’s & women’s soccer teams, and usually does quite well in both sports. They have even upgraded the field/stadium since I graduated. That being said, I was disappointed to see that not many Division 1 schools have men’s soccer at all. Why not?

probably due to title 9 stuff

Exactly.

Title IX compliance and just general lack of interest in soccer among Americans

It's boring.

(10-29-2018 07:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  All of the schools in the ACC with the exception of Georgia Tech and Miami play men's soccer.

I don’t think Florida St has a team.

Title 9 is also to blame for a lot of discontinued wrestling programs

(10-29-2018 07:45 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  It's boring.

I wanted someone else to say it first, but watching grass grow has an edge in excitement


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(10-29-2018 07:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Title 9 is also to blame for a lot of discontinued wrestling programs

That is the excuse given.

Basic Reasons in Order
1. Football
2. Title IX
3. Increasing proportion of Women to Men in College
4. Lack of money for the sport, so lack of quality athletes, thus lack of interest in the product
5. Lacrosse, Cross Country, Golf and Tennis have yield better APR students

(10-29-2018 07:02 PM)UCBearcat4ever Wrote:  

(10-29-2018 06:56 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  My alma mater, the University of Montevallo, a Division 2 school, has both men’s & women’s soccer teams, and usually does quite well in both sports. They have even upgraded the field/stadium since I graduated. That being said, I was disappointed to see that not many Division 1 schools have men’s soccer at all. Why not?

probably due to title 9 stuff

Beat me to it. The trade off is often having a college football team.

(10-29-2018 08:48 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-29-2018 07:02 PM)UCBearcat4ever Wrote:  

(10-29-2018 06:56 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  My alma mater, the University of Montevallo, a Division 2 school, has both men’s & women’s soccer teams, and usually does quite well in both sports. They have even upgraded the field/stadium since I graduated. That being said, I was disappointed to see that not many Division 1 schools have men’s soccer at all. Why not?

probably due to title 9 stuff

Beat me to it. The trade off is often having a college football team.

Wichita State must not have gotten that memo these last 30+ years.

Soccer, like Hockey, needs top athletes to be fun to watch for most.

That’s why neither NCAA Hockey nor NCAA Soccer is viewed favorably. Neither is getting more than 30% of the top college-aged athletes in their sport. Thus, a non-big time product.

(10-29-2018 10:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  That’s why neither NCAA Hockey nor NCAA Soccer is viewed favorably. Neither is getting more than 30% of the top college-aged athletes in their sport. Thus, a non-big time product.

I don't think you want to rely on that analogy. Your "non big time" adjective applies to every college sport other than football; if that's the only criteria for college sports being entertaining, then you have eliminated every college sport other than some of college football. College baseball gets far fewer than 30% of the best baseball players in the college age group. College basketball is also very far below the level of play in the NBA -- try watching any college game this season and then watch an NBA game right after that. Of all of last season's college basketball players, only 31 are in the NBA right now. That's an average of less than one player for every 10 teams in Division I. Well over 90% of the college basketball players that you see on TV this season will never play pro basketball at any level, NBA, G-League, Europe, Australia, wherever.

College Basketball gets significantly more of the top athletes than college baseball/hockey/soccer. 31 is actually quite high when accounting for only 60 getting drafted and the NBA having roughly half the spots available as MLB and 60-65% of NHL.

College baseball/hockey/soccer are competing with international or professional competition that swallows much of the talent pool. College basketball still remains the go-to hub for capable players - by a good margin.

Watch an NHL game and see how many players come from the OHL, WHL, QMJHL, European leagues, etc. Then watch an NBA and see how many come from college. It’s night and day.

(10-29-2018 08:21 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-29-2018 07:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Title 9 is also to blame for a lot of discontinued wrestling programs

That is the excuse given.

Well, until someone comes up with a women's sport that can justify 85 scholarships to offset football, non-revenue men's sports such as wrasslin and soccer will not be at a lot of schools that play football.

Soccer at the college level is an amazing sport. It takes Americans a while to understand the nuances of the game but once they do, they are usually hooked.
CJ

(10-30-2018 07:32 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  College Basketball gets significantly more of the top athletes than college baseball/hockey/soccer. 31 is actually quite high when accounting for only 60 getting drafted and the NBA having roughly half the spots available as MLB and 60-65% of NHL.

College baseball/hockey/soccer are competing with international or professional competition that swallows much of the talent pool. College basketball still remains the go-to hub for capable players - by a good margin.

Watch an NHL game and see how many players come from the OHL, WHL, QMJHL, European leagues, etc. Then watch an NBA and see how many come from college. It’s night and day.

OK, so 99.5% of the college basketball players you see will never play in the NBA, while for college hockey it's 99.9% who will never be in the NHL. That's not a significant difference in quality of play. Extremely few college basketball players are potential NBA players, and it's apparent to anyone who watches that the gap in quality between college hoops and the NBA is gigantic -- which is also true of the gap between college baseball and MLB, or college hockey and the NHL. The soccer comparison is somewhat different because MLS isn't the top league in its sport, it's more like the equivalent of AA pro baseball.