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(10-19-2018 04:46 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 09:01 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 08:54 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Watching Bearcat Insider, and the players say we are going to run more and play faster this year.

Don't we hear that every year :)

To be fair last year was UC's second fastest team in terms of offensive tempo. They were a middle of the pack team in offense pace. However, overall tempo numbers for his teams are highly skewed because on defense they make teams use a ton of time to get any looks.

I'd be shocked if a Mick Cronin team ever played particularly fast over the course of a season, but they've had really slow paced teams and a couple moderate paced teams.

is 242/351 in average possession length on offense really middle of the pack? it was the same exact length of possession as 2016. thats probably about as fast as we'll ever see a cronin team play.

My beef with Cronin’s offense is not the pace. I’m ok with a deliberate offense as long as it gets you a great look at the basket near the end of your possession. Too often we have ended up killing ants at the top of the key with nobody moving, and then end up jacking up a desperation three at the end of the shot clock.

Last year was much better, but my frustration with past offenses was a bunch of wasted time early in the shot clock with pointless passes to the wing, or a guy dribbling the ball so far away from the basket there was no threat of him scoring. There also seemed to be a bunch of times when guys would pass up open shots only to get worse looks later on when rushed. Caupain was a master of bringing the ball slowly up the court, waving his hands around and looking toward the bench until there was about 10 seconds left. Then it’s too late.

Sometimes its ok to push the ball and try for fast break points-even if you get stopped. Sometimes its okay to take a shot when you get a good look even if its 10 seconds into the shot clock. You get 30 seconds to get a shot off, and IMHO you have to be probing that defense every single moment to get the best possible look you can. Lots of times Cronin’s teams just seem disinterested on the offensive end. That’s all I’m sayin’

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(10-19-2018 07:43 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 04:46 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 09:01 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 08:54 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Watching Bearcat Insider, and the players say we are going to run more and play faster this year.

Don't we hear that every year :)

To be fair last year was UC's second fastest team in terms of offensive tempo. They were a middle of the pack team in offense pace. However, overall tempo numbers for his teams are highly skewed because on defense they make teams use a ton of time to get any looks.

I'd be shocked if a Mick Cronin team ever played particularly fast over the course of a season, but they've had really slow paced teams and a couple moderate paced teams.

is 242/351 in average possession length on offense really middle of the pack? it was the same exact length of possession as 2016. thats probably about as fast as we'll ever see a cronin team play.

My beef with Cronin’s offense is not the pace. I’m ok with a deliberate offense as long as it gets you a great look at the basket near the end of your possession. Too often we have ended up killing ants at the top of the key with nobody moving, and then end up jacking up a desperation three at the end of the shot clock.

Last year was much better, but my frustration with past offenses was a bunch of wasted time early in the shot clock with pointless passes to the wing, or a guy dribbling the ball so far away from the basket there was no threat of him scoring. There also seemed to be a bunch of times when guys would pass up open shots only to get worse looks later on when rushed. Caupain was a master of bringing the ball slowly up the court, waving his hands around and looking toward the bench until there was about 10 seconds left. Then it’s too late.

Sometimes its ok to push the ball and try for fast break points-even if you get stopped. Sometimes its okay to take a shot when you get a good look even if its 10 seconds into the shot clock. You get 30 seconds to get a shot off, and IMHO you have to be probing that defense every single moment to get the best possible look you can. Lots of times Cronin’s teams just seem disinterested on the offensive end. That’s all I’m sayin’

there is nothing wrong at all with running a slow offense. only thing that matters is efficiency. unfortunately this team looks like it might drop back down to around 100th in efficiency on kenpom like the 13, 14, and 15 teams. we dont run very good offense, with the talent last years team had, no reason to be 49th in the country in efficiency. gonna be tough this year when the posts dont demand double teams. the guards are going to have their hands full this year.

(10-19-2018 08:23 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 07:43 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 04:46 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 09:01 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 08:54 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Watching Bearcat Insider, and the players say we are going to run more and play faster this year.

Don't we hear that every year :)

To be fair last year was UC's second fastest team in terms of offensive tempo. They were a middle of the pack team in offense pace. However, overall tempo numbers for his teams are highly skewed because on defense they make teams use a ton of time to get any looks.

I'd be shocked if a Mick Cronin team ever played particularly fast over the course of a season, but they've had really slow paced teams and a couple moderate paced teams.

is 242/351 in average possession length on offense really middle of the pack? it was the same exact length of possession as 2016. thats probably about as fast as we'll ever see a cronin team play.

My beef with Cronin’s offense is not the pace. I’m ok with a deliberate offense as long as it gets you a great look at the basket near the end of your possession. Too often we have ended up killing ants at the top of the key with nobody moving, and then end up jacking up a desperation three at the end of the shot clock.

Last year was much better, but my frustration with past offenses was a bunch of wasted time early in the shot clock with pointless passes to the wing, or a guy dribbling the ball so far away from the basket there was no threat of him scoring. There also seemed to be a bunch of times when guys would pass up open shots only to get worse looks later on when rushed. Caupain was a master of bringing the ball slowly up the court, waving his hands around and looking toward the bench until there was about 10 seconds left. Then it’s too late.

Sometimes its ok to push the ball and try for fast break points-even if you get stopped. Sometimes its okay to take a shot when you get a good look even if its 10 seconds into the shot clock. You get 30 seconds to get a shot off, and IMHO you have to be probing that defense every single moment to get the best possible look you can. Lots of times Cronin’s teams just seem disinterested on the offensive end. That’s all I’m sayin’

there is nothing wrong at all with running a slow offense. only thing that matters is efficiency. unfortunately this team looks like it might drop back down to around 100th in efficiency on kenpom like the 13, 14, and 15 teams. we dont run very good offense, with the talent last years team had, no reason to be 49th in the country in efficiency. gonna be tough this year when the posts dont demand double teams. the guards are going to have their hands full this year.

hopefully double teaming jarron doesn't completely wreck any chance of success

(10-20-2018 05:20 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 08:23 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 07:43 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 04:46 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 09:01 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  To be fair last year was UC's second fastest team in terms of offensive tempo. They were a middle of the pack team in offense pace. However, overall tempo numbers for his teams are highly skewed because on defense they make teams use a ton of time to get any looks.

I'd be shocked if a Mick Cronin team ever played particularly fast over the course of a season, but they've had really slow paced teams and a couple moderate paced teams.

is 242/351 in average possession length on offense really middle of the pack? it was the same exact length of possession as 2016. thats probably about as fast as we'll ever see a cronin team play.

My beef with Cronin’s offense is not the pace. I’m ok with a deliberate offense as long as it gets you a great look at the basket near the end of your possession. Too often we have ended up killing ants at the top of the key with nobody moving, and then end up jacking up a desperation three at the end of the shot clock.

Last year was much better, but my frustration with past offenses was a bunch of wasted time early in the shot clock with pointless passes to the wing, or a guy dribbling the ball so far away from the basket there was no threat of him scoring. There also seemed to be a bunch of times when guys would pass up open shots only to get worse looks later on when rushed. Caupain was a master of bringing the ball slowly up the court, waving his hands around and looking toward the bench until there was about 10 seconds left. Then it’s too late.

Sometimes its ok to push the ball and try for fast break points-even if you get stopped. Sometimes its okay to take a shot when you get a good look even if its 10 seconds into the shot clock. You get 30 seconds to get a shot off, and IMHO you have to be probing that defense every single moment to get the best possible look you can. Lots of times Cronin’s teams just seem disinterested on the offensive end. That’s all I’m sayin’

there is nothing wrong at all with running a slow offense. only thing that matters is efficiency. unfortunately this team looks like it might drop back down to around 100th in efficiency on kenpom like the 13, 14, and 15 teams. we dont run very good offense, with the talent last years team had, no reason to be 49th in the country in efficiency. gonna be tough this year when the posts dont demand double teams. the guards are going to have their hands full this year.

hopefully double teaming jarron doesn't completely wreck any chance of success

I think he's too good a passer for that to be effective.

(10-19-2018 07:43 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 04:46 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 09:01 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 08:54 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Watching Bearcat Insider, and the players say we are going to run more and play faster this year.

Don't we hear that every year :)

To be fair last year was UC's second fastest team in terms of offensive tempo. They were a middle of the pack team in offense pace. However, overall tempo numbers for his teams are highly skewed because on defense they make teams use a ton of time to get any looks.

I'd be shocked if a Mick Cronin team ever played particularly fast over the course of a season, but they've had really slow paced teams and a couple moderate paced teams.

is 242/351 in average possession length on offense really middle of the pack? it was the same exact length of possession as 2016. thats probably about as fast as we'll ever see a cronin team play.

My beef with Cronin’s offense is not the pace. I’m ok with a deliberate offense as long as it gets you a great look at the basket near the end of your possession. Too often we have ended up killing ants at the top of the key with nobody moving, and then end up jacking up a desperation three at the end of the shot clock.

Last year was much better, but my frustration with past offenses was a bunch of wasted time early in the shot clock with pointless passes to the wing, or a guy dribbling the ball so far away from the basket there was no threat of him scoring. There also seemed to be a bunch of times when guys would pass up open shots only to get worse looks later on when rushed. Caupain was a master of bringing the ball slowly up the court, waving his hands around and looking toward the bench until there was about 10 seconds left. Then it’s too late.

Sometimes its ok to push the ball and try for fast break points-even if you get stopped. Sometimes its okay to take a shot when you get a good look even if its 10 seconds into the shot clock. You get 30 seconds to get a shot off, and IMHO you have to be probing that defense every single moment to get the best possible look you can. Lots of times Cronin’s teams just seem disinterested on the offensive end. That’s all I’m sayin’

Good analysis. Bolded, UC was bailed out on those long possessions last year by Clark and Washington stepping out and knocking down a 3 pointer on many occasions. Among the frontline players, who is most likely to develop confidence in that shot? It's an important weapon in the arsenal when post defenders jam the lane.

(10-19-2018 07:59 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  After seeing Logan Johnson play , he has the potential to be something special .

when I watched youtube videos of Logan Johnson I was very impressed. He's the real deal. Hopes he gets to play alot.He's got basketball smarts and good court savvy.

(10-19-2018 11:44 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 10:15 AM)levydl Wrote:  LOL at you guys parsing the box score!

why not?

YEAH If box scores weren't parsed, there would be no point.