(10-15-2018 10:36 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Not sure why I’m posting on a political hot topic, but here it goes. I can’t imagine what it is like to be a female, and having to think and consider these things when going out with friends, much less going out alone. I’m a man, with a mother, sister, wife and daughter, and I know the stories my wife has told me and I worry about my daughter having to deal with such things.

In the same instance, I also worry about my son in a time where just the allegation of an assault can destroy him. There has been examples of women that have claimed assault, man punished(jail, life ruined) and women then rebukes own statement. We really are in terrible times.

You should be vastly, overwhelmingly more worried about your daughter than your son. The numbers on false accusations are out there. There ain’t many of them. It’s like worrying about your daughter getting in a car crash and then also bringing up how you’re worried your son might get struck by lightning.

Please don’t take this as a defense of sexual assault, but who determines what the difference is between an interested person or something that is unwanted and now a crime???

If I were to ask a girl out, have dinner, movie, the usual date stuff, at the end of said date, I think things went well and attempt a good night kiss. Girl doesn’t see things the same and denies my attempt of a kiss, have I committed a sexual assault???

I’m not making light of this subject but I think this is where people are having an issue with this.

Now, in this example, 20 years later girl says I sexually assaulted her, how do I defend myself and how does she prove the event happened? It comes to his word against hers and who do you believe. I’m not sure we will ever have a best answer for that.

This is an impossible subject to tackle. Unfortunately there will always be bad people, the best you can do as a parent is teach your kids to not put themselves into bad situations, to always be aware of their surroundings, and that doesn’t always mean protecting your daughter, but your entire family, from any threat.

(10-15-2018 11:23 PM)Usajags Wrote:  If I were to ask a girl out, have dinner, movie, the usual date stuff, at the end of said date, I think things went well and attempt a good night kiss. Girl doesn’t see things the same and denies my attempt of a kiss, have I committed a sexual assault???

If you kept trying to kiss her, then yes. If you stop when she says stop, you’re all good.

(10-15-2018 10:06 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:24 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:51 AM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 10:51 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  1. I'm sorry
2. I'm pretty sure she can do any of those things

There’s a reason why my sisters who are in their 20s do a better job of letting people know where they’re going and who they’re with than they did when they were in high school.

There’s a reason why the old pizza place I used to work at was extremely hesitant to hire girls as delivery drivers.

There’s a reason why I’ve been asked more than a few times to hang around the office for 5-10 more minutes (we finish around midnight) so that the girl who would otherwise be alone had someone to walk to the parking lot with.

There’s a reason why I get asked to watch a drink at a bar when a friend goes to the bathroom.

I get the feeling that some of you would have nervous breakdowns if you had to keep your head on the same kind of swivel that many women do.

I have a younger sister in her 20's. I'm not heartless. But I do know that this song is in response people saying it's a dangerous time for men. This song is making fun of of those people. Completely ignoring that a large number of Americans were just calling for a man's career and life to be ruined based off of a sexual abuse allegation despite the lack of evidence. As a conservative man who has been called racist, homophobe, sexist, nazi, and terrorist (non of which accurately describe me) my head is always on a swivel.

Kavanaugh going back to “just” being a federal judge would have been ruining his life? You have an interesting concept of what it means to have your life ruined.

He and his family have been dragged through the mud by people labeling him a rapist. Political cartoons were posted of his daughter praying for her "angry, lying, alcoholic father." Your post is proof that the democrats didn't really care if he was actually a rapist or not, they just didn't want him on the bench. If they truly believed he was guilty then it appears that they don't really care if rapists go free as long as a conservative isn't in the SCOTUS.

(10-15-2018 10:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:24 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:51 AM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 10:51 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  1. I'm sorry
2. I'm pretty sure she can do any of those things

There’s a reason why my sisters who are in their 20s do a better job of letting people know where they’re going and who they’re with than they did when they were in high school.

There’s a reason why the old pizza place I used to work at was extremely hesitant to hire girls as delivery drivers.

There’s a reason why I’ve been asked more than a few times to hang around the office for 5-10 more minutes (we finish around midnight) so that the girl who would otherwise be alone had someone to walk to the parking lot with.

There’s a reason why I get asked to watch a drink at a bar when a friend goes to the bathroom.

I get the feeling that some of you would have nervous breakdowns if you had to keep your head on the same kind of swivel that many women do.

I have a younger sister in her 20's. I'm not heartless. But I do know that this song is in response people saying it's a dangerous time for men. This song is making fun of of those people. Completely ignoring that a large number of Americans were just calling for a man's career and life to be ruined based off of a sexual abuse allegation despite the lack of evidence. As a conservative man who has been called racist, homophobe, sexist, nazi, and terrorist (non of which accurately describe me) my head is always on a swivel.

"Ruined his career"

I didn't know he was going to be fired based on a sexual assault claim? The question was, is a person who may have truthfully committed a sexual assault, the type person that should be getting a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land?

Even if the Senate had voted no...he goes back to life as a federal judge, most people forget about him, and he still lives a comfortable life in relative peace. In all honesty, he probably would have been better off stepping aside gracefully halfway through. Most of the stuff goes away. Now that he's going to be on the highest court in the land, it's not going away. More people will end up looking into it, more people will come forward, and if it ever came out that he really did this, he'll be off the bench before you could say "impeachment"

No, the question was are we really going to let an allegation without any proof keep a qualified man from being appointed to the highest court in the land. And a lot of people wanted to.

(10-15-2018 11:49 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:23 PM)Usajags Wrote:  If I were to ask a girl out, have dinner, movie, the usual date stuff, at the end of said date, I think things went well and attempt a good night kiss. Girl doesn’t see things the same and denies my attempt of a kiss, have I committed a sexual assault???

If you kept trying to kiss her, then yes. If you stop when she says stop, you’re all good.

What if she claims he didn't stop when she said no? Who do we believe?

(10-15-2018 11:54 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:24 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:51 AM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 10:51 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  1. I'm sorry
2. I'm pretty sure she can do any of those things

There’s a reason why my sisters who are in their 20s do a better job of letting people know where they’re going and who they’re with than they did when they were in high school.

There’s a reason why the old pizza place I used to work at was extremely hesitant to hire girls as delivery drivers.

There’s a reason why I’ve been asked more than a few times to hang around the office for 5-10 more minutes (we finish around midnight) so that the girl who would otherwise be alone had someone to walk to the parking lot with.

There’s a reason why I get asked to watch a drink at a bar when a friend goes to the bathroom.

I get the feeling that some of you would have nervous breakdowns if you had to keep your head on the same kind of swivel that many women do.

I have a younger sister in her 20's. I'm not heartless. But I do know that this song is in response people saying it's a dangerous time for men. This song is making fun of of those people. Completely ignoring that a large number of Americans were just calling for a man's career and life to be ruined based off of a sexual abuse allegation despite the lack of evidence. As a conservative man who has been called racist, homophobe, sexist, nazi, and terrorist (non of which accurately describe me) my head is always on a swivel.

"Ruined his career"

I didn't know he was going to be fired based on a sexual assault claim? The question was, is a person who may have truthfully committed a sexual assault, the type person that should be getting a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land?

Even if the Senate had voted no...he goes back to life as a federal judge, most people forget about him, and he still lives a comfortable life in relative peace. In all honesty, he probably would have been better off stepping aside gracefully halfway through. Most of the stuff goes away. Now that he's going to be on the highest court in the land, it's not going away. More people will end up looking into it, more people will come forward, and if it ever came out that he really did this, he'll be off the bench before you could say "impeachment"

No, the question was are we really going to let an allegation without any proof keep a qualified man from being appointed to the highest court in the land. And a lot of people wanted to.

I think actually the question should be, why were Republicans OK with a sham of an FBI investigation in which they hardly spoke to anyone and they all agreed he was “cleared”? Seems they had no interest in getting to the bottom of things and they just wanted their man in...a very specific man. See, I can say the same thing you are about Democrats.

(10-16-2018 12:31 AM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:54 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:24 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:51 AM)CC Eagle Wrote:  There’s a reason why my sisters who are in their 20s do a better job of letting people know where they’re going and who they’re with than they did when they were in high school.

There’s a reason why the old pizza place I used to work at was extremely hesitant to hire girls as delivery drivers.

There’s a reason why I’ve been asked more than a few times to hang around the office for 5-10 more minutes (we finish around midnight) so that the girl who would otherwise be alone had someone to walk to the parking lot with.

There’s a reason why I get asked to watch a drink at a bar when a friend goes to the bathroom.

I get the feeling that some of you would have nervous breakdowns if you had to keep your head on the same kind of swivel that many women do.

I have a younger sister in her 20's. I'm not heartless. But I do know that this song is in response people saying it's a dangerous time for men. This song is making fun of of those people. Completely ignoring that a large number of Americans were just calling for a man's career and life to be ruined based off of a sexual abuse allegation despite the lack of evidence. As a conservative man who has been called racist, homophobe, sexist, nazi, and terrorist (non of which accurately describe me) my head is always on a swivel.

"Ruined his career"

I didn't know he was going to be fired based on a sexual assault claim? The question was, is a person who may have truthfully committed a sexual assault, the type person that should be getting a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land?

Even if the Senate had voted no...he goes back to life as a federal judge, most people forget about him, and he still lives a comfortable life in relative peace. In all honesty, he probably would have been better off stepping aside gracefully halfway through. Most of the stuff goes away. Now that he's going to be on the highest court in the land, it's not going away. More people will end up looking into it, more people will come forward, and if it ever came out that he really did this, he'll be off the bench before you could say "impeachment"

No, the question was are we really going to let an allegation without any proof keep a qualified man from being appointed to the highest court in the land. And a lot of people wanted to.

I think actually the question should be, why were Republicans OK with a sham of an FBI investigation in which they hardly spoke to anyone and they all agreed he was “cleared”? Seems they had no interest in getting to the bottom of things and they just wanted their man in...a very specific man. See, I can say the same thing you are about Democrats.

There was no evidence to even warrant an FBI investigation. And after 7 FBI investigations there was still no evidence.

(10-15-2018 11:50 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:06 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:24 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:51 AM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 10:51 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  1. I'm sorry
2. I'm pretty sure she can do any of those things

There’s a reason why my sisters who are in their 20s do a better job of letting people know where they’re going and who they’re with than they did when they were in high school.

There’s a reason why the old pizza place I used to work at was extremely hesitant to hire girls as delivery drivers.

There’s a reason why I’ve been asked more than a few times to hang around the office for 5-10 more minutes (we finish around midnight) so that the girl who would otherwise be alone had someone to walk to the parking lot with.

There’s a reason why I get asked to watch a drink at a bar when a friend goes to the bathroom.

I get the feeling that some of you would have nervous breakdowns if you had to keep your head on the same kind of swivel that many women do.

I have a younger sister in her 20's. I'm not heartless. But I do know that this song is in response people saying it's a dangerous time for men. This song is making fun of of those people. Completely ignoring that a large number of Americans were just calling for a man's career and life to be ruined based off of a sexual abuse allegation despite the lack of evidence. As a conservative man who has been called racist, homophobe, sexist, nazi, and terrorist (non of which accurately describe me) my head is always on a swivel.

Kavanaugh going back to “just” being a federal judge would have been ruining his life? You have an interesting concept of what it means to have your life ruined.

He and his family have been dragged through the mud by people labeling him a rapist. Political cartoons were posted of his daughter praying for her "angry, lying, alcoholic father." Your post is proof that the democrats didn't really care if he was actually a rapist or not, they just didn't want him on the bench. If they truly believed he was guilty then it appears that they don't really care if rapists go free as long as a conservative isn't in the SCOTUS.

I would wager a sizable amount of money that none of us could pick his wife or kids out of a lineup.

Are there some crazy people who might know them and yell at them? Maybe.

But there isn’t some mob following them around. Meanwhile, last I heard, Ford and her family still aren’t back in their home due to ongoing threats.

(10-16-2018 12:31 AM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:54 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:24 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:51 AM)CC Eagle Wrote:  There’s a reason why my sisters who are in their 20s do a better job of letting people know where they’re going and who they’re with than they did when they were in high school.

There’s a reason why the old pizza place I used to work at was extremely hesitant to hire girls as delivery drivers.

There’s a reason why I’ve been asked more than a few times to hang around the office for 5-10 more minutes (we finish around midnight) so that the girl who would otherwise be alone had someone to walk to the parking lot with.

There’s a reason why I get asked to watch a drink at a bar when a friend goes to the bathroom.

I get the feeling that some of you would have nervous breakdowns if you had to keep your head on the same kind of swivel that many women do.

I have a younger sister in her 20's. I'm not heartless. But I do know that this song is in response people saying it's a dangerous time for men. This song is making fun of of those people. Completely ignoring that a large number of Americans were just calling for a man's career and life to be ruined based off of a sexual abuse allegation despite the lack of evidence. As a conservative man who has been called racist, homophobe, sexist, nazi, and terrorist (non of which accurately describe me) my head is always on a swivel.

"Ruined his career"

I didn't know he was going to be fired based on a sexual assault claim? The question was, is a person who may have truthfully committed a sexual assault, the type person that should be getting a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land?

Even if the Senate had voted no...he goes back to life as a federal judge, most people forget about him, and he still lives a comfortable life in relative peace. In all honesty, he probably would have been better off stepping aside gracefully halfway through. Most of the stuff goes away. Now that he's going to be on the highest court in the land, it's not going away. More people will end up looking into it, more people will come forward, and if it ever came out that he really did this, he'll be off the bench before you could say "impeachment"

No, the question was are we really going to let an allegation without any proof keep a qualified man from being appointed to the highest court in the land. And a lot of people wanted to.

I think actually the question should be, why were Republicans OK with a sham of an FBI investigation in which they hardly spoke to anyone and they all agreed he was “cleared”? Seems they had no interest in getting to the bottom of things and they just wanted their man in...a very specific man. See, I can say the same thing you are about Democrats.

I have tried to stay out of this political discussion, but when I see comments such as this, I have to chime in. Have you ever been through a background investigation? I have, on numerous occasions. My first one was in 1981 when I was awarded a ROTC scholarship. They checked my criminal history. They talked to my friends and neighbors. They talked to the people I worked with and for. And that was for a Secret clearance. When i changed military branches to Military Intelligence and required a Top Secret Clearance, I went through an even more intense background investigation. They pull you criminal history, your credit history and relook at everything you said on previous investigations. They talk to the people you submitted as references, then ask them for other people that might know you. They talk to your neighbors. They look at your relatives. They go to places you frequent. Bottom line: they are looking anything that would make you a target for blackmail and see if there is anything in which you are being less than truthful. You go through that every 5 years. I went through 6. Kavanaugh went through several background investigations.

The last investigation was to look specifically at the allegation Ford made and the other woman from Yale. Ford couldn't name the date, month or year. She couldn't tell where the house was located. She couldn't say who invited her. She couldn't say how she got there or how she got home. Every person she named as being there all denied being at such a party. Her best friend stated that she didn't know Kavanaugh and knew of no party that she was ever at that he attended.

I hate when people say "you must believe the woman." No, we don't have to believe the woman. We need to listen to her. We need to look at evidence. But when she says it happened and numerous people say no, then you can't label someone a rapist, attempted rapist, gang rapist, etc. And, for those saying false claims rarely happen, that doesn't matter. Duke Lacrosse players were facing decades in jail because a woman lied and a corrupt DA wanted to be reelected. A promising football player from Georgia went to jail because a girl didn't want her father to know she had sex with a black man. You have a woman just recently go to jail because she falsely accused football players of rape. Four dentists were falsely accused of sexual assault in California. A college kid at Washington (I believe) has had to spend $12,000 defending himself because a girl decided, after the fact, that their heavy petting session was a little too heavy. School said there was nothing there.

The most horrible thing to come from the Kavanaugh hearings is something nobody is talking about and most don't want to admit:

It truly showed how pathetically awful both political parties are.

1. The left didn't care whether her claim was true or care to protect her. That's why they sat on that information until it was politically advantageous to hopefully get a delay.

2. The right didn't care whether her claim was true or not, because Kavanaugh votes their way. That's why they had the farce of an investigation.

Right now, the only two people that truly know whether the claim is true or not is Kavanaugh and Ford. And BOTH political parties are perfectly fine with that because one side can just dismiss it, and the other side can cry about lack of a view.

They turned a potential crime into a political chess piece, and it only reinforces how sickening political figures are. They could give zero sh!ts about America, they just want to make sure they stay in power.

(10-16-2018 11:26 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  The most horrible thing to come from the Kavanaugh hearings is something nobody is talking about and most don't want to admit:

It truly showed how pathetically awful both political parties are.

1. The left didn't care whether her claim was true or care to protect her. That's why they sat on that information until it was politically advantageous to hopefully get a delay.

2. The right didn't care whether her claim was true or not, because Kavanaugh votes their way. That's why they had the farce of an investigation.

Right now, the only two people that truly know whether the claim is true or not is Kavanaugh and Ford. And BOTH political parties are perfectly fine with that because one side can just dismiss it, and the other side can cry about lack of a view.

They turned a potential crime into a political chess piece, and it only reinforces how sickening political figures are. They could give zero sh!ts about America, they just want to make sure they stay in power.

My thoughts exactly. I feel most Americans are fed up with the whole circus both parties have created.

I fear you are not correct. I think the political climate in this country has deteriorated to the point where 99% of the people don't care anymore if their side is doing the right thing... They just care that their side wins.

Have a friend who is a diehard democrat. She is begging people to vote straight blue. I asked her if that representative will do what's right (meaning, will that rep listen to his/her constituents and you know... BE a representative? Or will they just be another vote for the party?). She said "who cares? He's not a republican."

Different friend, diehard republican. Said we have to vote for Cruz, otherwise the democrats will take the house. I asked what he knew of O'Rourke, he said he's a democrat, that's all he needed to know.

People are now so lazy and are conditioned to vote for party, not for person. Because "my" party has to win! Otherwise... ARMAGEDDON!

It sickens me.

(10-16-2018 11:26 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  The most horrible thing to come from the Kavanaugh hearings is something nobody is talking about and most don't want to admit:

It truly showed how pathetically awful both political parties are.

1. The left didn't care whether her claim was true or care to protect her. That's why they sat on that information until it was politically advantageous to hopefully get a delay.

2. The right didn't care whether her claim was true or not, because Kavanaugh votes their way. That's why they had the farce of an investigation.

Right now, the only two people that truly know whether the claim is true or not is Kavanaugh and Ford. And BOTH political parties are perfectly fine with that because one side can just dismiss it, and the other side can cry about lack of a view.

They turned a potential crime into a political chess piece, and it only reinforces how sickening political figures are. They could give zero sh!ts about America, they just want to make sure they stay in power.

I am pretty darn conservative but I will tell you what I cared about and that was if there was a credible allegation with any proof. She offered an allegation with ZERO proof. There was nothing to be investigated. Every witness she named all said "didn't happen." You had no scene, no witness, and 36 years of time. Had there been something credible, I would have said to hell with him. This was held on purpose for political gain to destroy the nomination, his career and family. It wasn't a "farce of an investigation" because there was nothing to investigate. Saying it was a farce shows a political bias that perhaps folks don't want to admit.

(10-15-2018 11:49 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:23 PM)Usajags Wrote:  If I were to ask a girl out, have dinner, movie, the usual date stuff, at the end of said date, I think things went well and attempt a good night kiss. Girl doesn’t see things the same and denies my attempt of a kiss, have I committed a sexual assault???

If you kept trying to kiss her, then yes. If you stop when she says stop, you’re all good.

Why do people act like this is so hard to understand? It's very easy, basic life stuff.

(10-16-2018 12:09 PM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 11:26 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  The most horrible thing to come from the Kavanaugh hearings is something nobody is talking about and most don't want to admit:

It truly showed how pathetically awful both political parties are.

1. The left didn't care whether her claim was true or care to protect her. That's why they sat on that information until it was politically advantageous to hopefully get a delay.

2. The right didn't care whether her claim was true or not, because Kavanaugh votes their way. That's why they had the farce of an investigation.

Right now, the only two people that truly know whether the claim is true or not is Kavanaugh and Ford. And BOTH political parties are perfectly fine with that because one side can just dismiss it, and the other side can cry about lack of a view.

They turned a potential crime into a political chess piece, and it only reinforces how sickening political figures are. They could give zero sh!ts about America, they just want to make sure they stay in power.

Every witness she named all said "didn't happen."

This is patently false, but depending where you get your news, this could have been what you heard being parroted over and over. Nobody said outright that it didn’t happen except Kavanaugh himself. The others said they have no recollection of it happening, which is not the same thing. One woman came forward by name to say she had no recollection of it, but that she believed Ford was telling the truth.

To say every witness she called said “didn’t happen” is absolutely false.

(10-16-2018 12:26 PM)Macho America Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:49 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:23 PM)Usajags Wrote:  If I were to ask a girl out, have dinner, movie, the usual date stuff, at the end of said date, I think things went well and attempt a good night kiss. Girl doesn’t see things the same and denies my attempt of a kiss, have I committed a sexual assault???

If you kept trying to kiss her, then yes. If you stop when she says stop, you’re all good.

Why do people act like this is so hard to understand? It's very easy, basic life stuff.

It’s also not hard to understand why they’re doing it: to muddy the waters and make all of this out to be an attack on men. Because they’re scared things are changing (for the better). They’re the real victims here.