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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
(03-20-2019 09:25 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  The Sun Belt has the men’s and women’s tournaments at the same place and we only need 1 gym, why does CUSA need 2?

Because game times could be seen as discriminatory against the wymen.

No that's bull****.
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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
(03-20-2019 09:39 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:25 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  The Sun Belt has the men’s and women’s tournaments at the same place and we only need 1 gym, why does CUSA need 2?

Because game times could be seen as discriminatory against the wymen.

No that's bull****.

Why you hate da wymens?
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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
(03-20-2019 09:41 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:39 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:25 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  The Sun Belt has the men’s and women’s tournaments at the same place and we only need 1 gym, why does CUSA need 2?

Because game times could be seen as discriminatory against the wymen.

No that's bull****.

Why you hate da wymens?

Your reasoning is bull****. They played their championship game before the men and the second court was empty.
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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
(03-20-2019 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
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(03-20-2019 09:39 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:25 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  The Sun Belt has the men’s and women’s tournaments at the same place and we only need 1 gym, why does CUSA need 2?

Because game times could be seen as discriminatory against the wymen.

No that's bull****.

Why you hate da wymens?

Your reasoning is bull****. They played their championship game before the men and the second court was empty.

My sarcasm aside, there's no real reason why the men's and women's tournaments need to be in the same location outside of convenience for administrators (conference and schools) that feel they need to make an appearance at both tourneys. The press to get them all done in a set time period, and thus the need to have two games going at the same time is a huge factor in why we play in a football practice facility with a curtain. Have the men and women in separate locations and you can play your games in actual basketball arenas with good sightlines and actual replay screens. If those separate locations are at host school campus even better.
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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
(03-18-2019 03:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-17-2019 10:19 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
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(03-16-2019 09:01 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Monroe, Louisiana. What a large media market.

#137 out of 210 to be exact https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...on_markets

And sharing that market with Louisiana Tech. This is the biggest stumbling block, in my opinion, to these C-USA and Sunbelt merger threads.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner here. That is why La.-Monroe would not get invited into the same conference with La. Tech. If both schools play at the same time on the same day and both on tv at the same time? It would steal viewers away from both teams. Just like Texas State would not get in with UTSA because of their close proximity. UTEP would have the same issues with New Mexico State. South Alabama and Troy do kinda share the same market as well.

So, you are saying proximity is a killer for these schools. Yet, proximity doesn't hurt other conference schools, i.e. just to name a few:

Pac 12 - USC - UCLA, Arizona - ASU
SEC - Alabama - Auburn, Ole Miss - Miss State
Big 10 - Michigan - Michigan State
Big 12 - Texas, Baylor, TCU, TX Tech

Your argument is ludicrous. These make for great rivalries and fan interest and attendance.
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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
(03-20-2019 10:28 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 03:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-17-2019 10:19 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 11:43 PM)debragga Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 09:01 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Monroe, Louisiana. What a large media market.

#137 out of 210 to be exact https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...on_markets

And sharing that market with Louisiana Tech. This is the biggest stumbling block, in my opinion, to these C-USA and Sunbelt merger threads.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner here. That is why La.-Monroe would not get invited into the same conference with La. Tech. If both schools play at the same time on the same day and both on tv at the same time? It would steal viewers away from both teams. Just like Texas State would not get in with UTSA because of their close proximity. UTEP would have the same issues with New Mexico State. South Alabama and Troy do kinda share the same market as well.

So, you are saying proximity is a killer for these schools. Yet, proximity doesn't hurt other conference schools, i.e. just to name a few:

Pac 12 - USC - UCLA, Arizona - ASU
SEC - Alabama - Auburn, Ole Miss - Miss State
Big 10 - Michigan - Michigan State
Big 12 - Texas, Baylor, TCU, TX Tech

Your argument is ludicrous. These make for great rivalries and fan interest and attendance.

In general, the perceived better school in a local rivalry doesn't want to give the perceived lesser school a chance to equal or better them for prestige and local recruiting reasons. Ironically when these situations reverse the former underdog usually reacts in the exact same way. There's a lot of cutting off your nose to spite your face in these interactions.
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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
(03-20-2019 09:25 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  The Sun Belt has the men’s and women’s tournaments at the same place and we only need 1 gym, why does CUSA need 2?

Because game times could be seen as discriminatory against the wymen.

I'm curious, is there a woman in your life that doesn't require batteries or a major credit card?
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You'll never get any collective agreement on what the possible new league's goal would be. Would it be to get the best available to be another "tweener" league? If so, in football or basketball? Would it be to regionally group school? Would it be to maximize any media money?
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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
(03-20-2019 09:39 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:25 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  The Sun Belt has the men’s and women’s tournaments at the same place and we only need 1 gym, why does CUSA need 2?

Because game times could be seen as discriminatory against the wymen.

No that's bull****.

When the tournament was in El Paso, the men’s games were at the 12k seat Don Haskins Center and the women’s games were at 5,200 seat Memorial Gym which is across the street and it’s the home of the Lady Miners basketball and volleyball teams. I guess UTEP is in the minority when it comes to two on campus venues for basketball.
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(03-23-2019 12:34 PM)2Buck Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:25 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 09:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  The Sun Belt has the men’s and women’s tournaments at the same place and we only need 1 gym, why does CUSA need 2?

Because game times could be seen as discriminatory against the wymen.

I'm curious, is there a woman in your life that doesn't require batteries or a major credit card?

I just asked my wife this. She said batteries aren't needed, she likes corded equipment, less reliability issues. She really likes her credit card but rarely uses it, most of our needs are covered by our paychecks. Does that answer your question?
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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
(03-23-2019 12:49 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  You'll never get any collective agreement on what the possible new league's goal would be. Would it be to get the best available to be another "tweener" league? If so, in football or basketball? Would it be to regionally group school? Would it be to maximize any media money?

Ideally I think it needs to be a configuration that maximizes BB revenue.

Take in some schools like VCU and Dayton to become something like CUSA 1.0.
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(03-24-2019 01:15 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(03-23-2019 12:49 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  You'll never get any collective agreement on what the possible new league's goal would be. Would it be to get the best available to be another "tweener" league? If so, in football or basketball? Would it be to regionally group school? Would it be to maximize any media money?

Ideally I think it needs to be a configuration that maximizes BB revenue.

Take in some schools like VCU and Dayton to become something like CUSA 1.0.

Unless the A-10 implodes, and the trigger for that would almost certainly be at least one of VCU/Dayton going to the Big East or AAC, I can't imagine either would be interested in CUSA as it's constructed now. Though I guess it would be at least a little fitting since they were two of the three schools from the Metro and Great Midwest not to be invited to CUSA in the first place.
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(09-19-2018 10:56 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 03:54 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 01:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Unless theres a significant new funding stream....nobody is likely to go anywhere. You need to get 3/4ths of both conferences to approve a split up/rehash. Otherwise youre spending 2 or 3 payday games revenue to split it up, minimum. None of our teams are flush with cash.

Remember, La Tech wont play with ULM
UALR and UTA get full votes
Baseball matters in the Sun Belt
Arkansas State and WKU recruit Alabama extensively
Marshall wants to stay with at least one of the F_Us and preferably both
USA prefers to stay West
10 teams, rather than 14, actually maximizes revenue
Arkansas State is comfortable with the Belt at this time.

And thats before you get into unknown issues, such as...would USM or UAB block USA or Troy? How do the CUSA Texas schools feel about Texas State? Do MTSU, UNT, and WKU decide to turn their noses up at teams from the Belt?


It doesn't have to be a rehash between both conferences. This is going to be the best programs breaking away to form a new conference. No worries, I don't see South Alabama making the cut unless both So Miss and UAB decided to push for you guys.

That is already what happened. The CUSA invited the biggest budget Sun Belt programs. UNT, WKU, MTSU, FAU and FIU were clearly the top budget Sun Belt schools. It went straight down the line. ODU, UNCC and UTSA had bigger budgets than anyone in the Sun Belt. La Tech was the only exception in the bunch.

UNT, WKU, MTSU, FAU, and FIU have all had success in football for the past few years. ODU has had success in basketball. Those seem like good adds to me.
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(09-14-2018 11:17 PM)esayem Wrote:  Looking back at history, you all should realize these reorganizations never happen. It’s dog eat dog, rat eat rat. C-USA>Sun Belt in the great totem pole of college athletics. Maybe Rice and UTEP escape to the Mountain West, but that’s about it.

App State > UNC
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Lets not forget Dallas Baptist is only a D1 baseball school which could help the conference out in baseball. It would be a coup on MVC.
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(05-28-2020 09:27 AM)Boys of Fall Wrote:  
(09-14-2018 11:17 PM)esayem Wrote:  Looking back at history, you all should realize these reorganizations never happen. It’s dog eat dog, rat eat rat. C-USA>Sun Belt in the great totem pole of college athletics. Maybe Rice and UTEP escape to the Mountain West, but that’s about it.

App State > UNCC

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