dragon2owl
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OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
Rice slips to #16, tied with Cornell. Rice was #14 last year, tied with Brown, Cornell, and Vanderbilt and #15 in 2017 rankings.
1. Princeton
2. Harvard
3. Columbia
3. MIT
3. U of Chicago
3. Yale
7. Stanford
8. Duke
8. Penn
10. Johns Hopkins
10. Northwestern
12. Cal Tech
12. Darmouth
14. Brown
14. Vanderbilt
16. Cornell
16. Rice
18. Notre Dame
19. UCLA
19. WUSTL
49. UT
59. SMU
66. A&M
78. Baylor
80. TCU
129. UT Dallas
171. Houston
187. Texas Tech
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...src=usn_tw
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Antarius
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
Bump.
Just bumping cause the thread got posted 3 times so let's use this one for discussion?
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
(09-10-2018 09:06 AM)dragon2owl Wrote: Rice slips to #16, tied with Cornell. Rice was #14 last year, tied with Brown, Cornell, and Vanderbilt and #15 in 2017 rankings.
1. Princeton
2. Harvard
3. Columbia
3. MIT
3. U of Chicago
3. Yale
7. Stanford
8. Duke
8. Penn
10. Johns Hopkins
10. Northwestern
12. Cal Tech
12. Darmouth
14. Brown
14. Vanderbilt
16. Cornell
16. Rice
18. Notre Dame
19. UCLA
19. WUSTL
49. UT
59. SMU
66. A&M
78. Baylor
80. TCU
129. UT Dallas
171. Houston
187. Texas Tech
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...src=usn_tw
Meh, no real reaction to this really. We had been climbing for a couple years so they had knock us down a notch to shuffle to order a bit.
UT rose quite a bit this year. They had been on a downward trend for several years in this ranking.
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
Surprised UCLA is ahead of Berkeley.
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Antarius
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
The academic cornerstone clocks in at 171.
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
(09-10-2018 09:22 AM)Antarius Wrote: The academic cornerstone clocks in at 171.
Get your branding right! It's the "powerhouse!"
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
I don’t worry much about a move up or down a couple spots but it does irk me to see Vandy above us. Not representative of the students I knew attending 10 years ago (the top students could get into Rice but the lower end definitely couldn’t).
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
Disappointing to say the least. How do we break into that next tier with NW and Cal Tech? More alumni donations (as a %)? Med school? Be more selective with admissions?
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09-10-2018 09:52 AM |
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owl95
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
Duke has really climbed in my lifetime. When i was at Rice in the early 90's, Duke was barely a top 20 school and now they are sitting at #8.
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09-10-2018 10:11 AM |
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
(09-10-2018 09:52 AM)Hou_Lawyer Wrote: Disappointing to say the least. How do we break into that next tier with NW and Cal Tech? More alumni donations (as a %)? Med school? Be more selective with admissions?
1. Yes, our alumni giving participation rate continues to lag other schools, and this is dragging is down at least 2 - 3 ranking spots.
2. Yes, a med school or law school would improve our rankings, but it just is not going to happen. It's not who we are. Accept it.
3. Are recent admissions has been more selective than it has ever been in the school's history.
The reality is that the criteria used in the USN&WR rankings puts Rice at a disadvantage vs. others schools. Fortunately, we stack up incredibly well in the various Princeton rankings, and that has become the bible used by high school students and parents in evaluating schools.
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09-10-2018 10:16 AM |
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
(09-10-2018 10:11 AM)owl95 Wrote: Duke has really climbed in my lifetime. When i was at Rice in the early 90's, Duke was barely a top 20 school and now they are sitting at #8.
The difference between Duke and us over the past 30+ years...
1. Their success in basketball has made it a more attractive destination for quality northeastern students.
2. Law school, med school, much larger business school
3. Alumni giving participation rates in the mid-to-upper 30% range vs. upper 20% - low 30% range for Rice.
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09-10-2018 10:20 AM |
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ExcitedOwl18
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
Not sure why all the consternation. We've floated between #14-18 for the last 7-8 years and continue to maintain the same peer group: Vandy, Cornell, Notre Dame, etc.
I wish we could be better than Johns Hopkins as I think they're even more irrelevant than us from a national brand perspective but I guess that's what having a good med school does for you.
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09-10-2018 10:21 AM |
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
(09-10-2018 10:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: (09-10-2018 10:11 AM)owl95 Wrote: Duke has really climbed in my lifetime. When i was at Rice in the early 90's, Duke was barely a top 20 school and now they are sitting at #8.
The difference between Duke and us over the past 30+ years...
1. Their success in basketball has made it a more attractive destination for quality northeastern students.
2. Law school, med school, much larger business school
3. Alumni giving participation rates in the mid-to-upper 30% range vs. upper 20% - low 30% range for Rice.
Walt, that basically sums up how I feel about Rice over the last 20 years. It's most obvious in athletics that we haven't kept up, but i also feel that we haven't done a great job keeping up with our elite peers as a University. I know we've some success on the academic side, but at our level, that should be expected. It doesn't feel like we are boldly pushing at anything, outside of the B-school.
(This post was last modified: 09-10-2018 10:27 AM by owl95.)
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
(09-10-2018 10:25 AM)owl95 Wrote: (09-10-2018 10:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: (09-10-2018 10:11 AM)owl95 Wrote: Duke has really climbed in my lifetime. When i was at Rice in the early 90's, Duke was barely a top 20 school and now they are sitting at #8.
The difference between Duke and us over the past 30+ years...
1. Their success in basketball has made it a more attractive destination for quality northeastern students.
2. Law school, med school, much larger business school
3. Alumni giving participation rates in the mid-to-upper 30% range vs. upper 20% - low 30% range for Rice.
Walt, that basically sums up how I feel about Rice over the last 20 years. It's most obvious in athletics that we haven't kept up, but i also feel that we haven't done a great job keeping up with our elite peers as a University. I know we've some success on the academic side, but at our level, that should be expected, but it doesn't feel like we are boldly pushing at anything, outside of the B-school.
Clearly, the athletics has hurt us badly. However, I don't think your final comment is fair. In addition to the ever-improving ranking of our b-school, the Sheperd School is a plus, as is the Baker Institute, and since we lured Antonio Merlo from Penn, our Econ department has been skyrocketing up the national rankings. For better or worse, Rice has elected to focus on undergraduate education and research, and maintaining a relatively small student enrollment. This helps create our uniqueness, and defines who we are, but it also limits our national brand and hurts in some of the national rankings based on criteria used.
(This post was last modified: 09-10-2018 11:05 AM by waltgreenberg.)
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
(09-10-2018 10:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: (09-10-2018 10:11 AM)owl95 Wrote: Duke has really climbed in my lifetime. When i was at Rice in the early 90's, Duke was barely a top 20 school and now they are sitting at #8.
The difference between Duke and us over the past 30+ years...
1. Their success in basketball has made it a more attractive destination for quality northeastern students.
2. Law school, med school, much larger business school
3. Alumni giving participation rates in the mid-to-upper 30% range vs. upper 20% - low 30% range for Rice.
I've been always disappointed with the alumni office's efforts to improve giving participation rates. It should be emphasized, ad nauseum, that these matter for rankings. Instead, it used to *not even be mentioned* (!!!) in our marketing materials, and even now, I find only passing references in the middle of a paragraph somewhere.
Instead, there need to be emails, etc. asking for gifts where the subject of the email emphasizes how much even a $1 gift matters
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
(09-10-2018 11:02 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote: (09-10-2018 10:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: (09-10-2018 10:11 AM)owl95 Wrote: Duke has really climbed in my lifetime. When i was at Rice in the early 90's, Duke was barely a top 20 school and now they are sitting at #8.
The difference between Duke and us over the past 30+ years...
1. Their success in basketball has made it a more attractive destination for quality northeastern students.
2. Law school, med school, much larger business school
3. Alumni giving participation rates in the mid-to-upper 30% range vs. upper 20% - low 30% range for Rice.
I've been always disappointed with the alumni office's efforts to improve giving participation rates. It should be emphasized, ad nauseum, that these matter for rankings. Instead, it used to *not even be mentioned* (!!!) in our marketing materials, and even now, I find only passing references in the middle of a paragraph somewhere.
Instead, there need to be emails, etc. asking for gifts where the subject of the email emphasizes how much even a $1 gift matters
They emphasize it to young alums quite frequently. You’d be amazed how many of my classmates say “I’ll never give $1 to Rice”.
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
(09-10-2018 11:02 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote: (09-10-2018 10:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: (09-10-2018 10:11 AM)owl95 Wrote: Duke has really climbed in my lifetime. When i was at Rice in the early 90's, Duke was barely a top 20 school and now they are sitting at #8.
The difference between Duke and us over the past 30+ years...
1. Their success in basketball has made it a more attractive destination for quality northeastern students.
2. Law school, med school, much larger business school
3. Alumni giving participation rates in the mid-to-upper 30% range vs. upper 20% - low 30% range for Rice.
I've been always disappointed with the alumni office's efforts to improve giving participation rates. It should be emphasized, ad nauseum, that these matter for rankings. Instead, it used to *not even be mentioned* (!!!) in our marketing materials, and even now, I find only passing references in the middle of a paragraph somewhere.
Instead, there need to be emails, etc. asking for gifts where the subject of the email emphasizes how much even a $1 gift matters
Couldn't agree more on your final point. It's something I emphasize in my reunion solicitation letters/e-mails. However, this is not the alumni office's responsibility, but rather, the role of the Annual Fund team and the Development Office. Over the past several years, they've made a concerted effort to get the Senior class to start giving-- even a token amount-- to get the ball rolling among the young alumni, but there are still way too many "older" alums-- including many of whom who now have the financial wherewithall to give and many who were very active while at Rice (not simply the weanies)-- who have not given gifts in years, if ever.
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RE: OT- 2019 USNEWS Rankings
(09-10-2018 11:10 AM)cr11owl Wrote: (09-10-2018 11:02 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote: (09-10-2018 10:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: (09-10-2018 10:11 AM)owl95 Wrote: Duke has really climbed in my lifetime. When i was at Rice in the early 90's, Duke was barely a top 20 school and now they are sitting at #8.
The difference between Duke and us over the past 30+ years...
1. Their success in basketball has made it a more attractive destination for quality northeastern students.
2. Law school, med school, much larger business school
3. Alumni giving participation rates in the mid-to-upper 30% range vs. upper 20% - low 30% range for Rice.
I've been always disappointed with the alumni office's efforts to improve giving participation rates. It should be emphasized, ad nauseum, that these matter for rankings. Instead, it used to *not even be mentioned* (!!!) in our marketing materials, and even now, I find only passing references in the middle of a paragraph somewhere.
Instead, there need to be emails, etc. asking for gifts where the subject of the email emphasizes how much even a $1 gift matters
They emphasize it to young alums quite frequently. You’d be amazed how many of my classmates say “I’ll never give $1 to Rice”.
I've got to think part of that is the skyrocketing costs. Rice used to be affordable. I know we try to make up for it with financial aid, but the sticker cost has gotten pretty outrageous.
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09-10-2018 11:31 AM |
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(09-10-2018 11:10 AM)cr11owl Wrote: (09-10-2018 11:02 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote: (09-10-2018 10:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: (09-10-2018 10:11 AM)owl95 Wrote: Duke has really climbed in my lifetime. When i was at Rice in the early 90's, Duke was barely a top 20 school and now they are sitting at #8.
The difference between Duke and us over the past 30+ years...
1. Their success in basketball has made it a more attractive destination for quality northeastern students.
2. Law school, med school, much larger business school
3. Alumni giving participation rates in the mid-to-upper 30% range vs. upper 20% - low 30% range for Rice.
I've been always disappointed with the alumni office's efforts to improve giving participation rates. It should be emphasized, ad nauseum, that these matter for rankings. Instead, it used to *not even be mentioned* (!!!) in our marketing materials, and even now, I find only passing references in the middle of a paragraph somewhere.
Instead, there need to be emails, etc. asking for gifts where the subject of the email emphasizes how much even a $1 gift matters
They emphasize it to young alums quite frequently. You’d be amazed how many of my classmates say “I’ll never give $1 to Rice”.
Classmates in my generation, even though tuition was relatively affordable back then, used to say that too..hell, I used to say it. You know what brought me back? Athletics, specifically football in 2006 and 2008. This is what I keep saying athletics can do for the University in terms of alumni engagement, but while we aren't getting that benefit right now as things are..dropping to DIII will definitely make it worse amongst my peer group, and it certainly won't make it better.
(This post was last modified: 09-10-2018 11:52 AM by owl95.)
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