This season's a disaster, so I'm responding in typical W&M fashion by talking about past glory days. (I'm not going back to 1977, sorry. The NCAA's stats database is annoying.) I was curious about who had the 2nd best season behind Campbell in 2004. I went through and looked at opposing defense's QB rating allowed and compared that with W&M's QB efficiency rating that season. I'll preface all this by saying that efficiency rating isn't perfect and by rounding numbers to two decimal places it's possible that impacts the results. I tried to compare QBs against the defenses they faced that year- for example, Jake Phillips didn't face Villanova in 2008 so their rating is pulled out of the average for him. Also I didn't make any adjustments for 1-A/Division II ratings.



Nothing too surprising at the top. Corley's 2001 was incredible and against a slightly tougher schedule than Campbell faced in 2003. Callahan rated higher than I expected. 2008 Phillips was worse than I thought, as was Archer 2009. I did remember Phillips 2006 being a train wreck so that checks out. Some day we'll find out what happened to Cluley between the 2015 and 2016 seasons- I stick by my theory that he became infected by a brain parasite that made him unable to distinguish which teammates were his.The most concerning thing that jumps out is how there are a lot of recent seasons at the bottom of the table. From 1998-2008 there were 3 seasons below average. There have been 7 since then.

Looks like we had some darn good quarterbacking between 1998 - 2004!!!

Rosantz, Yagiello, Knight, Lambiotte, Cook ... don’t need to do the analytics.

Those were great QB’s from 1977 on.

And yes, I agree with everything else Rocco posted above ... including that this season is a disaster.

JMU's Houston made an interesting comment in his weekly press conference prior to our game, when he stated that it was different preparing for us, since it is "an offense you'd have seen 10 years ago." Possible we have not adapted/progressed with where the college game has evolved??

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Bingo......

(10-03-2018 10:39 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  JMU's Houston made an interesting comment in his weekly press conference prior to our game, when he stated that it was different preparing for us, since it is "an offense you'd have seen 10 years ago." Possible we have not adapted/progressed with where the college game has evolved??

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Ouch!

(10-03-2018 01:01 PM)Got Ribe Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 10:39 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  JMU's Houston made an interesting comment in his weekly press conference prior to our game, when he stated that it was different preparing for us, since it is "an offense you'd have seen 10 years ago." Possible we have not adapted/progressed with where the college game has evolved??

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Ouch!

Yeah, Houston was all class and in total respect and admiration of Laycock in that press conference, so, no disrespect intended by Houston, as opposed to an honest statement. It stood out to me, though, when he said it. Question becomes, have defensive schemes evolved to where our offense is simply less effective, or, does it still all come down to player execution?

Shifting sports, I have admired Shaver's getting out on the forefront of where the college game has gone, with a 3 pt/perimeter oriented offense, and recruiting players to execute it. Villanova has ridden that same foresight to two recent NC's.

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(10-03-2018 10:39 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  JMU's Houston made an interesting comment in his weekly press conference prior to our game, when he stated that it was different preparing for us, since it is "an offense you'd have seen 10 years ago." Possible we have not adapted/progressed with where the college game has evolved??

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Past JMU coach Mickey Matthews made the same comments during his tenure.

(10-03-2018 02:33 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Shifting sports, I have admired Shaver's getting out on the forefront of where the college game has gone, with a 3 pt/perimeter oriented offense, and recruiting players to execute it. Villanova has ridden that same foresight to two recent NC's.

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Woah woah woah. I don’t think Shaver’s scrawny undersized guys pass the ball around the perimeter and jack up a 3 offense was on the forefront of where the college game has gone.

(10-03-2018 03:51 PM)TribeNomad Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 10:39 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  JMU's Houston made an interesting comment in his weekly press conference prior to our game, when he stated that it was different preparing for us, since it is "an offense you'd have seen 10 years ago." Possible we have not adapted/progressed with where the college game has evolved??

Past JMU coach Mickey Matthews made the same comments during his tenure.

Actually, Mickey's position was he had seen Jimmye's offense enough that he KNEW what JL would run in most situations. It rarely changed, in his opinion. His challenge became the ability to stop it in the actual game, which he said his team sometimes did better than they did in others.

(10-03-2018 06:08 PM)TheRealTribe Wrote:  Woah woah woah. I don’t think Shaver’s scrawny undersized guys pass the ball around the perimeter and jack up a 3 offense was on the forefront of where the college game has gone.

Well there were three teams in all of division one basketball that averaged more points per game than Tony's guys did last year, so I guess there's room for improvement on offense.

Ed: Also, thanks for the great OP, Rocco. I did not realize Callahan had such a nice season throwing the ball, although I do remember the air show at home against Richmond that year (and I don't mean dogs and frisbees!).

It would appear the once the rating passes 135 that the differential starts to accelerate.

(10-04-2018 03:25 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  It would appear the once the rating passes 135 that the differential starts to accelerate.

The defenses all tend to cluster in a general range.



(These numbers are a little different than the one in the previous post- they're entire season numbers and not specific to the games where a QB played.)

17 of the 20 defenses allowed efficiency ratings between 120-130. This helps McKee (and Mitchell, to some degree) and Corley's 1999 season as they were against the two defenses that were below that range.

Was curious about where one time, heralded Tribe commit, Hank Hughes, is now at, after we pulled his offer for Dean Rotger. He got no playing time in two years as a walk-on at Texas A&M, and transfered to Ball State last spring. He is 3rd string with soph eligibility, and has seen no action for a 2-4 team, behind their redshirt jr starter and a redshirt soph, who have both gotten all of the playing time.

Also, was curious about Sam Houston State QB Ty Brock, who was considered the #1 FCS recruit two years ago, ahead of Shon. He redshirted last year and was their backup the first three games before becoming their starter the last two games. SHSU is 3-2, and way overrated at #14 in the Coach's Poll, with two losses in conference and three wins against mediocre to bad teams.

Wouldn't trade where we are at with the position.

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(10-08-2018 04:40 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Was curious about where one time, heralded Tribe commit, Hank Hughes, is now at, after we pulled his offer for Dean Rotger. He got no playing time in two years as a walk-on at Texas A&M, and transfered to Ball State last spring. He is 3rd string with soph eligibility, and has seen no action for a 2-4 team, behind their redshirt jr starter and a redshirt soph, who have both gotten all of the playing time.

Also, was curious about Sam Houston State QB Ty Brock, who was considered the #1 FCS recruit two years ago, ahead of Shon. He redshirted last year and was their backup the first three games before becoming their starter the last two games. SHSU is 3-2, and way overrated at #14 in the Coach's Poll, with two losses in conference and three wins against mediocre to bad teams.

Wouldn't trade where we are at with the position.

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Funny you brought this up. I was just wondering how ol Hank was doing at Ball State. I think he would've been a good one here but someone got it in his head that he was big league ready. I wonder if he's even on scholarship with the chirp chirps.

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He is on schollie, as he was able to take advantage of the NCAA rule that grants immediate transfer eligibility, if you were previously just a walk-on and your new scholarship school didn't offer you out of HS.

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Both Corley and Lang Campbell had really good WR corps as well as a nice stable of backs, plus a solid TE (remember the red zone offense was a lot of play action to the TE, when you have a legit threat at RB, it will make defenses pause).
Anyway, the problem now for WM, is there is a lot more competition for recruits, back then you could scoop up guys that were left on the roadside because the Power schools did not think they were good enough.
But now you have a legit Liberty program, ODU, JMU is pretty much the Bama of FCS now, UR snags who they want and being a private school doesn't have to adhere to the same rules for admissions.
Anyway the time for getting those players, then being able to park some "good finds" as walk-ons (Lang Campbell was a walk-on), is probably gone, so whoever the new coach is, will have to find a way to do get back to it.

JMU offered Campbell a full scholarship but he, instead, took the decision to walk on at W&M. We need to bottle what we sold recruits a decade ago and use a few mists of it now.

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(10-09-2018 01:22 PM)Tribal Wrote:  JMU offered Campbell a full scholarship but he, instead, took the decision to walk on at W&M. We need to bottle what we sold recruits a decade ago and use a few mists of it now.

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Pretty sure he wasn't interested in handing off three times, then punting!