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RE: Would it make sense for the B1G to subsume Big 8 States in the next round of realignm
(08-18-2018 05:28 PM)JRsec Wrote: (08-18-2018 03:59 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote: With 4 of the "original" Big 12 schools having left the Big12 (A&M, Colorado, Missouri, and Nebraska) I've had the lingering thought that perhaps the B1G could get part of the old Big 8 band back together again in the B1G West. We already have Nebraska and Iowa, we could add the namesake Universities in the remainder of the states (Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, & Missouri) to take us to 18. We obviously can't double down in sparsely populated states and by only taking the Flagships in each state the lack of population per school is somewhat mitigated.
The question is the financial viability of such an arrangement and if the schools would be interest and/or able to leave their current alignment.
Missouri: long wanted the B1G before being left at the alter in 2010. I think the idea would still garner a lot of support from the academics. Major issue would be the Grant of rights with the SEC however I don't get the feeling that the SEC loves Mizzou like the love A&M. In fact I think most SEC fans would be open to the idea of losing Mizzou.
Colorado: I think that the shine of the Pac 12 especially the woeful underperformance thus far of the Pac 12 Networks leaves an opening that can be exploited along with historic and more proximate rivals from the old Big 8.
Oklahoma & Kansas: both have the same problem. The other university in the state. A&M was able to pull it off but will the politics of their state allow it. In many regards I would say these 2 are the most realistic of all candidates for the B1G and I think there is massive support for each of these schools for a B1G move.
What about Iowa State, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State? Iowa plays Iowa State in everything every year and I think if Kansas and Oklahoma are able to politically make this move that the lawmakers will require annual competitions in all sponsored sports.
What about Texas? Texas will do whatever Texas wants to do. They are in a position financially, geographically, and prestigiously to go to any conference they want or go independent or try to hold the Big 12 together. The Big 12 would only lose 2 taking them to 8 and the Big 12 would probably add the UCF/USF duo and some combination of the Best available in Texas, Mountain states and/or Mid-South to get back to a number Texas would be comfortable with. Because it is ALL ABOUT TEXAS!
It would have made a lot of sense had it not been for the market footprint model beckoning the SEC to take Missouri and the Big 10 to take Maryland and Rutgers.
If the Big 10 had taken the old Big 8 schools the SEC might have finished out with the old SWC schools, well at least Texas & Texas Tech. And if Missouri wanted the Big 10 then perhaps we could again turn our attention to a 2nd Florida school which in a streaming world make a ton of sense instead of adding another school without SEC cachet just to get a market.
I'll submit that this might have made the most sense for all three of the Big 10, SEC and ACC:
Big 10 West:
Colorado, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma
Big 10 East:
Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St., Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue, Wisconsin
SEC East:
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
SEC West:
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Miami, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
ACC North:
Boston College, Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
ACC South:
Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Wake Forest
Now I ask you wouldn't those 3 conferences made a helluva lot more sense than what we have now?
While the content would seem appealing but the B1G gained more by adding PSU. Also, while some of the games in that revised ACC would be geographically appealing for PSU the one team they want to play each year more than anyone else is Ohio St.
The best way to restore every IMPORTANT CFB rivaly in the last 50 years would be go back to the leagues as they were in 2010. Slide Arkansas over to the B12, and also add AZ/ASU/Utah. Let the B1G add the 4 California schools plus Wash & Oregon. The ACC(with MD.) adds ND, WVU & UCONN or Cincy and loses Ga. Tech & Louisville to the SEC.
**After typing this it came to me Penn St. & Notre Dame should flip leagues. PSU has a lot of rivalry and geographical games in the ACC and ND would have 5 historic rivals in the B1G with Mich, MSU, Purdue, USC & Stanford and by the B1G getting the west coast it still gives ND a national feel. This is really the best way to slide ND into a conference. Maybe PSU & OSU could play non-conference.
It looks like this:
B1G (18 teams): OSU, Mich., Notre Dame, MSU, Ind., Purdue, Wisconsin, Ill, Northwestern, Mn. Iowa, USC, UCLA, Stanford, CAL, Wash., Oregon, BYU.
***BYU could slide to the B12 for Iowa St or Missouri(both fit geographically an are AAU). Missouri has a stronger geographical rivalry with KU & KSU due to location than Iowa St. and had more success in the old Big 8 than ISU did against OU & Neb. but Missouri has some history with Illinois and could build history with Iowa and play KSU & KU out of conference. Either way it isn't an important national rivalry in football its probably more about basketball, I don't even think the B12 would mind that much if Missouri stayed in the SEC lol.
Big 12 (16 teams): Texas, A&M, TT, Baylor, OU, OSU, Neb., Col., KS, KSU, Missouri, Iowa St., Arkansas, AZ, ASU, Utah
SEC (16 teams) Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, MSU, Fl, Ga., Tn., Vandy, KY, SC, Ga. Tech, Louisville (& 3 of UCF, Cincy, TCU, Houston)
ACC: (16 teams)Penn St., NC, Duke, NC St., Va., Va. Tech, Maryland, Miami, Pitt, FSU, Clemson, BC, Syracuse, WF, WVU, Rutgers
This would restore all the important rivalries that were at least once conference games. It would be 4 pretty equal leagues and might be close enough in value to negotiate as one entity. The only 2 left out are Oregon St & Wash. St.
The only team that is hard to fit that I really think needs to find a spot for based on the history of the sport and following is BYU. It would have to be the B1G or B12.
I know the SEC didn't add a lot of firepower but quite frankly they don't need to. Louisville vs KY in bball would be a big add for bball and Ga. Tech is solidly in the footprint. UCF could develop quite nicely in the SEC as a program with their enrollment.
(This post was last modified: 08-24-2018 01:33 PM by Win5002.)
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