57.4 BILLION. Per year. That could pay for several manned missions back and forth to the moon.

Quote:Such a plan would be a boon for American taxpayers, who currently spend about $57.4 billion a year on paying for the welfare, crime, and schooling costs of the country’s mass importation of 1.5 million new, mostly low skilled legal immigrants every year. In the last decade, the U.S. has imported more than 10 million foreign nationals and is on track to import the same amount in the coming decade if legal immigration controls are not implemented.

Read more here....

or build two walls....

it still amazes me we give ANY illegal ANYTHING from taxpayer funds....

Only the most radical leftists would be against this.

(08-09-2018 06:06 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Only the most radical leftists would be against this.

and they will be.

(08-09-2018 04:13 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  or build two walls....

it still amazes me we give ANY illegal ANYTHING from taxpayer funds....

The border wall needs to be engraved with the names of EVERY American citizen murdered by illegal aliens. It needs to serve as a border protection wall AND a memorial to those whose lives were snuffed out at the alter of liberalism.

(08-09-2018 04:13 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  or build two walls....

it still amazes me we give ANY illegal ANYTHING from taxpayer funds....

This ban if on welfare for legal immigrants.

So, basically it would be preventing anyone who needs welfare from immigrating to the U.S., if I'm reading it correctly.

No savings is EVER passed back to the citizens in a tax cut. Otherwise, good.

(08-09-2018 04:13 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  or build two walls....

it still amazes me we give ANY illegal ANYTHING from taxpayer funds....

The article did not say Illegal Aliens, it said, Legal Citizens who are here legally in the USA who eventually becoming legal citizens of the USA. I do not think people are not complaining about the legals being here since they are legal to work here and pay taxes. I know many people like myself who are against giving welfare to Illegals, but do not mind legals who do live and work here should have the access to it since they are contributing to this country. I have a former co-worker and friend from Mexico, that her family got in this country the legal way for medical emergency Green Card. Her daughter learned English quickly, and she is smart enough to become a doctor and all that. My friend, and her husband are legal, work and pay taxes.

(08-09-2018 08:44 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:13 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  or build two walls....

it still amazes me we give ANY illegal ANYTHING from taxpayer funds....

The article did not say Illegal Aliens, it said, Legal Citizens who are here legally in the USA who eventually becoming legal citizens of the USA. I do not think people are not complaining about the legals being here since they are legal to work here and pay taxes. I know many people like myself who are against giving welfare to Illegals, but do not mind legals who do live and work here should have the access to it since they are contributing to this country. I have a former co-worker and friend from Mexico, that her family got in this country the legal way for medical emergency Green Card. Her daughter learned English quickly, and she is smart enough to become a doctor and all that. My friend, and her husband are legal, work and pay taxes.

That's great, apparently your friends won't be affected by this at all. Maybe one effect of this will be to discourage low skilled people, unlike your friends, to come here and live off people like me and you, and of course, your friends.

(08-09-2018 08:34 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(08-09-2018 04:13 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  or build two walls....

it still amazes me we give ANY illegal ANYTHING from taxpayer funds....

The border wall needs to be engraved with the names of EVERY American citizen murdered by illegal aliens. It needs to serve as a border protection wall AND a memorial to those whose lives were snuffed out at the alter of liberalism.

I love that idea.


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He's setting up immigration reform, which is badly needed.

Instead of the lottery system we have now we need to move towards a merit based system.

(08-09-2018 04:13 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  or build two walls....

it still amazes me we give ANY illegal ANYTHING from taxpayer funds....

This plan is banning welfare for legal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants add billions more on top of this.

(08-09-2018 08:42 AM)Paul M Wrote:  No savings is EVER passed back to the citizens in a tax cut. Otherwise, good.

This

I like this but the idea we get any tax savings back is fantasy. We have to fund space force.

Basically what Ive been saying for years. Dry up the incentives for people to immigrate based upon benefits they can receive. Come here and stand on your own..or leave. Add to this policy stepped up policing of the hiring of illegals(anyone without a green card) and harsh punishments for those caught doing it. Make the fines and punishments so harsh that it is not worth to risk involved. Dry up the benefits...Dry up the jobs and we will see the flow of illegals dry up accordingly.

Nothing would work better and actually be a revenue generator instead of costing massive monies than harsh penalties for hiring.

(08-10-2018 08:23 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Nothing would work better and actually be a revenue generator instead of costing massive monies than harsh penalties for hiring.

Then you should be praising your President and the agencies that work for him.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-ex...and-nevada

Quote:During a multi-state operation led by special agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), a series of criminal arrest warrants were executed Wednesday for 17 individuals connected to an alleged criminal conspiracy to exploit illegal alien laborers for profit, fraud, wire fraud and money laundering in Nebraska and Minnesota.

In addition to these arrest warrants, authorities also served search warrants for worksite hiring violations at agricultural firms in Nebraska and Minnesota, and federal document search warrants at locations throughout Nebraska, in Sleepy Eye, Minnesota; Appleton, Minnesota; and Las Vegas, Nevada. During this investigation, authorities identified employees who were subject to arrest for immigration violations and were unlawfully working at these businesses. These individuals have been illegally residing and working in the United States; they may also have been exploited as part of this alleged criminal conspiracy. During the execution of these search warrants Aug. 8, 133 illegal workers were administratively arrested for immigration violations; some will be issued notices to appear before a federal immigration judge and released from custody; the rest will remain in ICE custody pending immigration court proceedings.

Law enforcement believes the alleged conspirators, 17 individuals located in multiple states, colluded to create an illegal alien workforce in their respective businesses. By doing so, they defrauded the U.S. government and created an unfair advantage over their competition businesses. Additionally, authorities suspect the illegal aliens who were knowingly hired as part of this alleged conspiracy were exploited by the conspirators through force, coercion, or threat of arrest and/or deportation. Specifically, these illegal aliens were allegedly required to cash their paychecks at an illegal remittance business for a fee, have tax money deducted from their pay even though this money was never paid to the government, and were coerced to remain quiet about this criminal activity.

Search warrants were served at the following businesses and locations:

Christensen Farms with numerous locations in Appleton, Minnesota; Sleepy Eye, Minnesota; and Atkinson, Nebraska;
Elkhorn River Farms in O’Neill, Nebraska;
O’Neill Ventures in O’Neill, Nebraska;
La Herradura Restaurant in O’Neill, Nebraska;
El Mercadito (grocery store) in O’Neill, Nebraska;
A private ranch in O’Neill, Nebraska;
La Herradura Restaurant in Stromsburg, Nebraska;
GJW LLC with three locations in Ainsworth, Nebraska;
J.E. Meurets Grain Company in Ainsworth, Nebraska;
Herd Co Cattle Company in Bartlett, Nebraska; and
Long Pine (farm) in Royal, Nebraska.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-de...nationwide

Quote:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) announced Tuesday the results of a two-phase nationwide operation in which I-9 audit notices were served to more than 5,200 businesses around the country since January. A notice of inspection (NOI) informs business owners that ICE is going to audit their hiring records to determine whether they are complying with existing law.

From July 16 to 20, the second phase of the operation, HSI served 2,738 NOIs and made 32 arrests. During the first phase of the operation, Jan. 29 to March 30, HSI served 2,540 NOIs and made 61 arrests.

Quote:HSI’s worksite enforcement strategy focuses on the criminal prosecution of employers who knowingly break the law, and the use of I-9 audits and civil fines to encourage compliance with the law. HSI’s worksite enforcement investigators help combat worker exploitation, illegal wages, child labor and other illegal practices.

HSI’s worksite enforcement investigations often involve additional criminal activity, such as alien smuggling, human trafficking, money laundering, document fraud, worker exploitation and/or substandard wage and working conditions.

(08-10-2018 10:24 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 08:23 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Nothing would work better and actually be a revenue generator instead of costing massive monies than harsh penalties for hiring.

Then you should be praising your President and the agencies that work for him.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-ex...and-nevada

Quote:During a multi-state operation led by special agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), a series of criminal arrest warrants were executed Wednesday for 17 individuals connected to an alleged criminal conspiracy to exploit illegal alien laborers for profit, fraud, wire fraud and money laundering in Nebraska and Minnesota.

In addition to these arrest warrants, authorities also served search warrants for worksite hiring violations at agricultural firms in Nebraska and Minnesota, and federal document search warrants at locations throughout Nebraska, in Sleepy Eye, Minnesota; Appleton, Minnesota; and Las Vegas, Nevada. During this investigation, authorities identified employees who were subject to arrest for immigration violations and were unlawfully working at these businesses. These individuals have been illegally residing and working in the United States; they may also have been exploited as part of this alleged criminal conspiracy. During the execution of these search warrants Aug. 8, 133 illegal workers were administratively arrested for immigration violations; some will be issued notices to appear before a federal immigration judge and released from custody; the rest will remain in ICE custody pending immigration court proceedings.

Law enforcement believes the alleged conspirators, 17 individuals located in multiple states, colluded to create an illegal alien workforce in their respective businesses. By doing so, they defrauded the U.S. government and created an unfair advantage over their competition businesses. Additionally, authorities suspect the illegal aliens who were knowingly hired as part of this alleged conspiracy were exploited by the conspirators through force, coercion, or threat of arrest and/or deportation. Specifically, these illegal aliens were allegedly required to cash their paychecks at an illegal remittance business for a fee, have tax money deducted from their pay even though this money was never paid to the government, and were coerced to remain quiet about this criminal activity.

Search warrants were served at the following businesses and locations:

Christensen Farms with numerous locations in Appleton, Minnesota; Sleepy Eye, Minnesota; and Atkinson, Nebraska;
Elkhorn River Farms in O’Neill, Nebraska;
O’Neill Ventures in O’Neill, Nebraska;
La Herradura Restaurant in O’Neill, Nebraska;
El Mercadito (grocery store) in O’Neill, Nebraska;
A private ranch in O’Neill, Nebraska;
La Herradura Restaurant in Stromsburg, Nebraska;
GJW LLC with three locations in Ainsworth, Nebraska;
J.E. Meurets Grain Company in Ainsworth, Nebraska;
Herd Co Cattle Company in Bartlett, Nebraska; and
Long Pine (farm) in Royal, Nebraska.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-de...nationwide

Quote:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) announced Tuesday the results of a two-phase nationwide operation in which I-9 audit notices were served to more than 5,200 businesses around the country since January. A notice of inspection (NOI) informs business owners that ICE is going to audit their hiring records to determine whether they are complying with existing law.

From July 16 to 20, the second phase of the operation, HSI served 2,738 NOIs and made 32 arrests. During the first phase of the operation, Jan. 29 to March 30, HSI served 2,540 NOIs and made 61 arrests.

Quote:HSI’s worksite enforcement strategy focuses on the criminal prosecution of employers who knowingly break the law, and the use of I-9 audits and civil fines to encourage compliance with the law. HSI’s worksite enforcement investigators help combat worker exploitation, illegal wages, child labor and other illegal practices.

HSI’s worksite enforcement investigations often involve additional criminal activity, such as alien smuggling, human trafficking, money laundering, document fraud, worker exploitation and/or substandard wage and working conditions.

That'll leave a mark.

You see that money right there ? Take all of it and put it aside for Starfleet Academy (aka the Space Force).

Sounds great on the surface but I would like to see more detailed long term analysis.
These legal immigrants that collect "welfare" are typically doing the low paying, menial jobs that no American wants to do.

So what happens if that "welfare" is no longer available to them:

1) They become poorer, leading to a host of socioeconomic issues that would be bad overall for our society.
2) They go back to their home country, which means there is no one to do those jobs. What are the short term and long term effects on the economy?

Immigration reform is required but it needs to be well thought out which this does not appear to be.

(08-10-2018 11:28 AM)BobL Wrote:  Sounds great on the surface but I would like to see more detailed long term analysis.
These legal immigrants that collect "welfare" are typically doing the low paying, menial jobs that no American wants to do.

So what happens if that "welfare" is no longer available to them:

1) They become poorer, leading to a host of socioeconomic issues that would be bad overall for our society.
2) They go back to their home country, which means there is no one to do those jobs. What are the short term and long term effects on the economy?

Immigration reform is required but it needs to be well thought out which this does not appear to be.

Like what? List these jobs and be as specific as possible.