(08-07-2018 09:12 AM)Oman Wrote:  Do you watch Ancient Astronauts?

That's basically what he's resorted to. Unless of course he's just trolling......

(08-07-2018 09:03 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Attention Deficit Disorder is not name calling. I’m saying stick to one topic. You are opening up another line of questioning before finishing the first. That is what we in the profession call Attention Deficit. Easily distracted. Not a name call. If you took it that way my humblest apologies sir.

Now get back to answering has he lied continuously about colluding. Yes or No?

Yes, you and the MSM have lied continuously about him colluding.

At least they have lied. Sadly, you might actually believe it.

Its not even Jedi mind tricks. Just MSM telling a lie enough times, gullible people believe it in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

(08-07-2018 07:37 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Each paragraph below is an excerpt from the article. It’s a long read but incredibly terrifying and plausible.



It was already apparent in 2016 that the highest-profile parts of Russia’s messaging machine, like RT and Sputnik, were biased toward Trump. But now we know that its social-media activity employed precise demographic and geographic targeting — far more precise than a foreign country would be expected to have and notably concentrated on “key demographic groups in areas of the states that turned out to be pivotal,” CNN reported. That information is highly valuable: When a Republican staffer named Aaron Nevins received stolen Democratic Party voter-profile data from Guccifer 2.0, the Russian-backed hacker, that summer, he wrote to the hacker, “This is probably worth millions of dollars.” The Alfa Bank server connection might not have been put to the exact same kind of collaborative purpose, but Russia’s social-media operation needed some fine-grained expertise to direct its targeted messages. It likely got it from somebody connected to Trump and quite possibly used the server to transmit directly with Trump Tower. If that server was transmitting data to and from Moscow, who in Trump Tower was feeding it?

The closest model for how Russia covertly operates may be the Brexit campaign in the U.K., which took place months before the 2016 American election. Driving Britain out of the European Union advanced the decades-long Russian goal of splitting Western nations apart, and Russia found willing allies on the British far right. Not only did Russia use social media to covertly promote Brexit, but Russian officials also met secretly several times with Arron Banks, the millionaire British businessman who supported the Brexit campaign, with the largest political donation in British history. Leaked documents reveal that the Russians discussed letting Banks in on a gold-mining deal that could have produced several billion dollars in easy profit. It might seem preposterous that a national vote that changed the course of British history was determined by a secret Russian operation. British conservatives long dismissed suspicions of covert Russian involvement as a “conspiracy theory.” Yet the conspiracy appears to have been very real.

Why would Manafort, who has a law degree from Georgetown and years of experience around white-collar crime, behave like this? Of all those in Trump’s camp, he is the furthest thing from a true believer, and he lacks any long-standing personal ties to the president or his family, so what incentive does he have to spend most or all of his remaining years in prison rather than betray Trump? One way to make sense of his behavior is the possibility that Manafort is keeping his mouth shut because he’s afraid of being killed.

The latter fear is hardly paranoid. Russia murders people routinely, at home and abroad. In the nine months after Trump’s election, nine Russian officials were murdered or died mysteriously. At least one was suspected to have been a likely source for Steele. The attorney for the firm that hired Steele told the Senate last August, “Somebody’s already been killed as a result of the publication of this dossier.”

Now that he’s in office, Trump’s ties to Russia have attracted close scrutiny, and he has found his room to maneuver with Putin sharply constrained by his party. In early 2017, Congress passed sanctions to retaliate against Russia’s election attack. Trump lobbied to weaken them, and when they passed by vetoproof supermajorities, he was reportedly “apoplectic” and took four days to agree to sign the bill even knowing he couldn’t block it. After their passage, Trump has failed to enforce the sanctions as directed.




And if you’re Putin, embarking upon a coveted summit with the most Russophilic president since World War II, who is taking a crowbar to the alliance of your enemies, why wouldn’t you help him in 2018 and 2020? Ever since the fall of 2016, when Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell privately turned down an Obama-administration proposal for a bipartisan warning to Russia not to interfere in the election, the underlying dynamic has been set: Most Republicans would rather win an election with Putin’s help than lose one without it. The Democrats, brimming with rage, threaten to investigate Russian activity if they win a chamber of Congress this November. For Putin to redouble his attack — by hacking into voting machines or some other method — would be both strategic and in keeping with his personality. Why stop now?

The bolder part above speaks volumes about this room.



Much much much more inside . Terrifying.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...usion.html

Lol. Nut jobs that pen this type of stuff have taken the “Birther”. Movement to a new level. The delusional conspiracy thinking of the left has entered its most entertaining phase yet. Can’t wait until 2020 when experts expect liberal looneyness to reach its zenith.

(08-07-2018 09:03 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Attention Deficit Disorder is not name calling. I’m saying stick to one topic. You are opening up another line of questioning before finishing the first. That is what we in the profession call Attention Deficit. Easily distracted. Not a name call. If you took it that way my humblest apologies sir.

Now get back to answering has he lied continuously about colluding. Yes or No?

It is when the person being called that is definitely not ADD. Lol, this is hilarious. I guess it's only name calling when it's a lie against you or someone you agree with? Anyway, it's a common message board tactic resulting when one has nothing logically relevant to add and a definite sign and person is losing an argument. I blame Al Gore.

(08-07-2018 09:12 AM)Oman Wrote:  Do you watch Ancient Astronauts?

Show some respect for Giorgia Tsoukalos! It's Ancient Aliens. Besides, they at least have a premise.

(08-07-2018 09:23 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 09:12 AM)Oman Wrote:  Do you watch Ancient Astronauts?

That's basically what he's resorted to. Unless of course he's just trolling......

Hey, come on now, nothing wrong with the Ancient Astronaut theory. Look at me. Yeah, Ok. I'm cuckoo for cocoa puffs but let's just forget that for a second, lol...

I think it is actually quite more plausible than Trump being a "Russian Agent".

Hell, I think there is more proof the Earth is flat then there is that Trump is a "Russian Agent".

The left's biggest fear: What if Trump isn't?

Mach, your article uses the words, "apparent," "likely," "quite possibly," "may be," "possibility," "suspected to have been a likely," and, "would be." In other words, it conjures up this hysterical scenario without basing it on anything more than speculation. Get back to us when some of those carefully hedged words become factual statements.

Lots of things might have happened. The question is which ones did.

(08-07-2018 07:58 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Its outlandish and not plausible in the least. Trump has been tougher on Russia than any president in the last 40 years. If Trump was a Putin asset, then why is he doing so many things that are anti-Russia? Its much more plausible that the Russia narrative is a madeup story to delegitimize a political opponent. Whats come out strongly supports that conclusion.

Even if it was true, we'd have to thank Putin for making america great again and putting america first. Im surprised Putin wants the US to succeed so strongly! (This last part is joking of course)

Trump and or his/campaign

1) Intervened in the GOP Platform committee to soften language about the naked invasion of Ukraine by Russia
2) Has engaged in the dimishment of NATO, which is to Russia's benefit
3) Has engaged in assisting the diminishment of the EU, which is to Russia's benefit
4) Has engaged in helping prop up oil prices with Iran sanctions (but not against Chinese companies like ZTE, who got a free pass after investing in a Trump project in Indonesia) which helps not only Russia, but just about every bad actor on planet Earth
5) Has tried to undermine sanctions against Russians involved in the murder of an attorney doing nothing more than defend an AMERICAN businessman against Russian charges
6) Has refused to criticize any Russian actions with regards to human rights

None of Trump's actions on Russia help the USA. NATO helps the USA (we might not like how much they helped, but far more than Russia has), the EU provides a better option for communication with Europe than dealing with 27 statelets, from a foreign policy perspective oil prices are better for the USA when they are lower, and if defending Bill Browder's attorney against getting whacked by the Russian state for the 'crime' of simply defending his client isn't an American interest, then I don't know what is.

Nothing that Trump has done has put America first.

(08-07-2018 07:37 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Each paragraph below is an excerpt from the article. It’s a long read but incredibly terrifying and plausible.



It was already apparent in 2016 that the highest-profile parts of Russia’s messaging machine, like RT and Sputnik, were biased toward Trump. But now we know that its social-media activity employed precise demographic and geographic targeting — far more precise than a foreign country would be expected to have and notably concentrated on “key demographic groups in areas of the states that turned out to be pivotal,” CNN reported. That information is highly valuable: When a Republican staffer named Aaron Nevins received stolen Democratic Party voter-profile data from Guccifer 2.0, the Russian-backed hacker, that summer, he wrote to the hacker, “This is probably worth millions of dollars.” The Alfa Bank server connection might not have been put to the exact same kind of collaborative purpose, but Russia’s social-media operation needed some fine-grained expertise to direct its targeted messages. It likely got it from somebody connected to Trump and quite possibly used the server to transmit directly with Trump Tower. If that server was transmitting data to and from Moscow, who in Trump Tower was feeding it?

The closest model for how Russia covertly operates may be the Brexit campaign in the U.K., which took place months before the 2016 American election. Driving Britain out of the European Union advanced the decades-long Russian goal of splitting Western nations apart, and Russia found willing allies on the British far right. Not only did Russia use social media to covertly promote Brexit, but Russian officials also met secretly several times with Arron Banks, the millionaire British businessman who supported the Brexit campaign, with the largest political donation in British history. Leaked documents reveal that the Russians discussed letting Banks in on a gold-mining deal that could have produced several billion dollars in easy profit. It might seem preposterous that a national vote that changed the course of British history was determined by a secret Russian operation. British conservatives long dismissed suspicions of covert Russian involvement as a “conspiracy theory.” Yet the conspiracy appears to have been very real.

Why would Manafort, who has a law degree from Georgetown and years of experience around white-collar crime, behave like this? Of all those in Trump’s camp, he is the furthest thing from a true believer, and he lacks any long-standing personal ties to the president or his family, so what incentive does he have to spend most or all of his remaining years in prison rather than betray Trump? One way to make sense of his behavior is the possibility that Manafort is keeping his mouth shut because he’s afraid of being killed.

The latter fear is hardly paranoid. Russia murders people routinely, at home and abroad. In the nine months after Trump’s election, nine Russian officials were murdered or died mysteriously. At least one was suspected to have been a likely source for Steele. The attorney for the firm that hired Steele told the Senate last August, “Somebody’s already been killed as a result of the publication of this dossier.”

Now that he’s in office, Trump’s ties to Russia have attracted close scrutiny, and he has found his room to maneuver with Putin sharply constrained by his party. In early 2017, Congress passed sanctions to retaliate against Russia’s election attack. Trump lobbied to weaken them, and when they passed by vetoproof supermajorities, he was reportedly “apoplectic” and took four days to agree to sign the bill even knowing he couldn’t block it. After their passage, Trump has failed to enforce the sanctions as directed.




And if you’re Putin, embarking upon a coveted summit with the most Russophilic president since World War II, who is taking a crowbar to the alliance of your enemies, why wouldn’t you help him in 2018 and 2020? Ever since the fall of 2016, when Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell privately turned down an Obama-administration proposal for a bipartisan warning to Russia not to interfere in the election, the underlying dynamic has been set: Most Republicans would rather win an election with Putin’s help than lose one without it. The Democrats, brimming with rage, threaten to investigate Russian activity if they win a chamber of Congress this November. For Putin to redouble his attack — by hacking into voting machines or some other method — would be both strategic and in keeping with his personality. Why stop now?

The bolder part above speaks volumes about this room.



Much much much more inside . Terrifying.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...usion.html

That sentence in extra-large font... pure opinion and doesn't represent fact.

But go ahead.

(08-07-2018 10:06 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 07:37 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Each paragraph below is an excerpt from the article. It’s a long read but incredibly terrifying and plausible.



It was already apparent in 2016 that the highest-profile parts of Russia’s messaging machine, like RT and Sputnik, were biased toward Trump. But now we know that its social-media activity employed precise demographic and geographic targeting — far more precise than a foreign country would be expected to have and notably concentrated on “key demographic groups in areas of the states that turned out to be pivotal,” CNN reported. That information is highly valuable: When a Republican staffer named Aaron Nevins received stolen Democratic Party voter-profile data from Guccifer 2.0, the Russian-backed hacker, that summer, he wrote to the hacker, “This is probably worth millions of dollars.” The Alfa Bank server connection might not have been put to the exact same kind of collaborative purpose, but Russia’s social-media operation needed some fine-grained expertise to direct its targeted messages. It likely got it from somebody connected to Trump and quite possibly used the server to transmit directly with Trump Tower. If that server was transmitting data to and from Moscow, who in Trump Tower was feeding it?

The closest model for how Russia covertly operates may be the Brexit campaign in the U.K., which took place months before the 2016 American election. Driving Britain out of the European Union advanced the decades-long Russian goal of splitting Western nations apart, and Russia found willing allies on the British far right. Not only did Russia use social media to covertly promote Brexit, but Russian officials also met secretly several times with Arron Banks, the millionaire British businessman who supported the Brexit campaign, with the largest political donation in British history. Leaked documents reveal that the Russians discussed letting Banks in on a gold-mining deal that could have produced several billion dollars in easy profit. It might seem preposterous that a national vote that changed the course of British history was determined by a secret Russian operation. British conservatives long dismissed suspicions of covert Russian involvement as a “conspiracy theory.” Yet the conspiracy appears to have been very real.

Why would Manafort, who has a law degree from Georgetown and years of experience around white-collar crime, behave like this? Of all those in Trump’s camp, he is the furthest thing from a true believer, and he lacks any long-standing personal ties to the president or his family, so what incentive does he have to spend most or all of his remaining years in prison rather than betray Trump? One way to make sense of his behavior is the possibility that Manafort is keeping his mouth shut because he’s afraid of being killed.

The latter fear is hardly paranoid. Russia murders people routinely, at home and abroad. In the nine months after Trump’s election, nine Russian officials were murdered or died mysteriously. At least one was suspected to have been a likely source for Steele. The attorney for the firm that hired Steele told the Senate last August, “Somebody’s already been killed as a result of the publication of this dossier.”

Now that he’s in office, Trump’s ties to Russia have attracted close scrutiny, and he has found his room to maneuver with Putin sharply constrained by his party. In early 2017, Congress passed sanctions to retaliate against Russia’s election attack. Trump lobbied to weaken them, and when they passed by vetoproof supermajorities, he was reportedly “apoplectic” and took four days to agree to sign the bill even knowing he couldn’t block it. After their passage, Trump has failed to enforce the sanctions as directed.




And if you’re Putin, embarking upon a coveted summit with the most Russophilic president since World War II, who is taking a crowbar to the alliance of your enemies, why wouldn’t you help him in 2018 and 2020? Ever since the fall of 2016, when Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell privately turned down an Obama-administration proposal for a bipartisan warning to Russia not to interfere in the election, the underlying dynamic has been set: Most Republicans would rather win an election with Putin’s help than lose one without it. The Democrats, brimming with rage, threaten to investigate Russian activity if they win a chamber of Congress this November. For Putin to redouble his attack — by hacking into voting machines or some other method — would be both strategic and in keeping with his personality. Why stop now?

The bolder part above speaks volumes about this room.



Much much much more inside . Terrifying.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...usion.html

That sentence in extra-large font... pure opinion and doesn't represent fact.

But go ahead.

Yeah, but you can't really blame him for thinking that. It's apparently what the MSM told him to think.

The funny thing about all of this is that the same people who are happy InfoWars was shut down for being conspiracy theories and fake news just eat this Russian bull**** right up.

(08-07-2018 10:08 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The funny thing about all of this is that the same people who are happy InfoWars was shut down for being conspiracy theories and fake news just eat this Russian bull**** right up.

So this Butina thing is just made up?
So the NRA didn't get Russian money?
So the Russians didn't try to help Trump?

So Trump and/or his campaign didn't help out Russia at the GOP convention?
So Trump didn't try to weaken/delay sanctions against Russia?

And thats just SOME of the stuff we're already aware of

THEY. CANT. ADMIT. THE. TRUTH.

Trump admitted to collusion this weekend and not one of them will admit to it! These are facts people. Facts. You no longer have to deny it 49 times like your dear leader. The gig is up.

Just wait til the money laundering comes forward..........

(08-07-2018 10:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  1) Intervened in the GOP Platform committee to soften language about the naked invasion of Ukraine by Russia
2) Has engaged in the dimishment of NATO, which is to Russia's benefit
3) Has engaged in assisting the diminishment of the EU, which is to Russia's benefit

I'll comment on just these three for now:

1) When is the last time anybody paid attention to platform language?
2) How?
3) How?

whats next? He is a Russian asset that was elected with the help of aliens?

(08-07-2018 10:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  whats next? He is a Russian asset that was elected with the help of aliens?

If that will help get him impeached I'm sure they'd go that route. Whatever it takes. This whole sideshow is hilarious. They are so desperate to get him out they don't see the absurdity of their supposed connections.

(08-07-2018 10:21 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  THEY. CANT. ADMIT. THE. TRUTH.

Trump admitted to collusion this weekend and not one of them will admit to it! These are facts people. Facts. You no longer have to deny it 49 times like your dear leader. The gig is up.

49 times....Get with it Mach, the number du jour of MAGA is actually 17.

(08-07-2018 10:42 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 10:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  whats next? He is a Russian asset that was elected with the help of aliens?

If that will help get him impeached I'm sure they'd go that route. Whatever it takes. This whole sideshow is hilarious. They are so desperate to get him out they don't see the absurdity of their supposed connections.

you can just tell how desperate they are to get rid of him, even on this board, with the amount of anti Trump threads that get started every single day by the same posters