Make sure to listen to the ending.

I'd gladly split California and give the Native's their own nation. Hell, I'd gladly just give them the entire state of California.

(08-05-2018 03:24 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I'd gladly split California and give the Native's their own nation. Hell, I'd gladly just give them the entire state of California.

The N.A. peoples would no doubt improve it. They are a proud people. And they don't tolerate trash and laziness.

(08-05-2018 03:29 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:24 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I'd gladly split California and give the Native's their own nation. Hell, I'd gladly just give them the entire state of California.

The N.A. peoples would no doubt improve it. They are a proud people. And they don't tolerate trash and laziness.

Ok. Serious thought proposal...

1. Give Cali to N.A. peoples. The entire state. From there, they could utilize their councils or whatever and divide up the land the way they see fit.

2. Keep the current Reservations (simply b/c I'm not into forced relocation). If N.A. peoples want to stay where they are, so be it.

3. Due to granting N.A. peoples the state of California, nullify any and all federal aid to current existing reservations. The people could stay if they want to, but all land not already privately owned goes back to the states/feds. People who stay are subject to state laws, taxes, etc. Create laws, MOUs, etc that would allow the new N.A. nation to work well economically and benefit the N.A. and the U.S. via trade laws that benefit both nations.

Initial thoughts?

(08-05-2018 03:44 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:29 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:24 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I'd gladly split California and give the Native's their own nation. Hell, I'd gladly just give them the entire state of California.

The N.A. peoples would no doubt improve it. They are a proud people. And they don't tolerate trash and laziness.

Ok. Serious thought proposal...

1. Give Cali to N.A. peoples. The entire state. From there, they could utilize their councils or whatever and divide up the land the way they see fit.

2. Keep the current Reservations (simply b/c I'm not into forced relocation). If N.A. peoples want to stay where they are, so be it.

3. Due to granting N.A. peoples the state of California, nullify any and all federal aid to current existing reservations. The people could stay if they want to, but all land not already privately owned goes back to the states/feds. People who stay are subject to state laws, taxes, etc. Create laws, MOUs, etc that would allow the new N.A. nation to work well economically and benefit the N.A. and the U.S. via trade laws that benefit both nations.

Initial thoughts?

I think the reservations are a problem just waiting to erupt, lead by some corrupt person or even a foreign power. We ought to try to buy out their treaty autonomy and set up the reservations as a separate county in the various states, giving them political autonomy, even if we shift state lines like ND/SD for the Sioux and Arizona/Utah/NM for the Navajo. In California and New Mexico they would have to be cities since they are so small, but in most other places, they could be counties. I imagine all but a handful would be willing.

(08-05-2018 03:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:44 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:29 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:24 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I'd gladly split California and give the Native's their own nation. Hell, I'd gladly just give them the entire state of California.

The N.A. peoples would no doubt improve it. They are a proud people. And they don't tolerate trash and laziness.

Ok. Serious thought proposal...

1. Give Cali to N.A. peoples. The entire state. From there, they could utilize their councils or whatever and divide up the land the way they see fit.

2. Keep the current Reservations (simply b/c I'm not into forced relocation). If N.A. peoples want to stay where they are, so be it.

3. Due to granting N.A. peoples the state of California, nullify any and all federal aid to current existing reservations. The people could stay if they want to, but all land not already privately owned goes back to the states/feds. People who stay are subject to state laws, taxes, etc. Create laws, MOUs, etc that would allow the new N.A. nation to work well economically and benefit the N.A. and the U.S. via trade laws that benefit both nations.

Initial thoughts?

I think the reservations are a problem just waiting to erupt, lead by some corrupt person or even a foreign power. We ought to try to buy out their treaty autonomy and set up the reservations as a separate county in the various states, giving them political autonomy, even if we shift state lines like ND/SD for the Sioux and Arizona/Utah/NM for the Navajo. In California and New Mexico they would have to be cities since they are so small, but in most other places, they could be counties. I imagine all but a handful would be willing.

^^^^^

(08-05-2018 03:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:44 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:29 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:24 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I'd gladly split California and give the Native's their own nation. Hell, I'd gladly just give them the entire state of California.

The N.A. peoples would no doubt improve it. They are a proud people. And they don't tolerate trash and laziness.

Ok. Serious thought proposal...

1. Give Cali to N.A. peoples. The entire state. From there, they could utilize their councils or whatever and divide up the land the way they see fit.

2. Keep the current Reservations (simply b/c I'm not into forced relocation). If N.A. peoples want to stay where they are, so be it.

3. Due to granting N.A. peoples the state of California, nullify any and all federal aid to current existing reservations. The people could stay if they want to, but all land not already privately owned goes back to the states/feds. People who stay are subject to state laws, taxes, etc. Create laws, MOUs, etc that would allow the new N.A. nation to work well economically and benefit the N.A. and the U.S. via trade laws that benefit both nations.

Initial thoughts?

I think the reservations are a problem just waiting to erupt, lead by some corrupt person or even a foreign power. We ought to try to buy out their treaty autonomy and set up the reservations as a separate county in the various states, giving them political autonomy, even if we shift state lines like ND/SD for the Sioux and Arizona/Utah/NM for the Navajo. In California and New Mexico they would have to be cities since they are so small, but in most other places, they could be counties. I imagine all but a handful would be willing.

I'm all for redrawing cities, districts, borders, nations, mickey mouse cartoons... ANYTHING in which the N.A. peoples take ownership of California.

(08-05-2018 03:58 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:44 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:29 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:24 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I'd gladly split California and give the Native's their own nation. Hell, I'd gladly just give them the entire state of California.

The N.A. peoples would no doubt improve it. They are a proud people. And they don't tolerate trash and laziness.

Ok. Serious thought proposal...

1. Give Cali to N.A. peoples. The entire state. From there, they could utilize their councils or whatever and divide up the land the way they see fit.

2. Keep the current Reservations (simply b/c I'm not into forced relocation). If N.A. peoples want to stay where they are, so be it.

3. Due to granting N.A. peoples the state of California, nullify any and all federal aid to current existing reservations. The people could stay if they want to, but all land not already privately owned goes back to the states/feds. People who stay are subject to state laws, taxes, etc. Create laws, MOUs, etc that would allow the new N.A. nation to work well economically and benefit the N.A. and the U.S. via trade laws that benefit both nations.

Initial thoughts?

I think the reservations are a problem just waiting to erupt, lead by some corrupt person or even a foreign power. We ought to try to buy out their treaty autonomy and set up the reservations as a separate county in the various states, giving them political autonomy, even if we shift state lines like ND/SD for the Sioux and Arizona/Utah/NM for the Navajo. In California and New Mexico they would have to be cities since they are so small, but in most other places, they could be counties. I imagine all but a handful would be willing.

I'm all for redrawing cities, districts, borders, nations, mickey mouse cartoons... ANYTHING in which the N.A. peoples take ownership of California.

Yes, but any deal MUST be contingent on the U.S. retaining full 100% control of all military bases and commercial ports.

You can't give that up to anyone.

Many European observers were struck by gourmandizing as well as by what struck them as subsequent "profligacy" or "indolence." At times, Indians used everything. But on occasions they did not, and the observers remarked upon "putrified carcasses," animals left untouched, or Indians who took only "the best parts of the meat." Sometimes Indians were said to kill "whole herds" only for the fat-filled tongues.

http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tser...ffalob.htm

Noble race and what not, harumph


Humans gonna human.

Always felt the reservation system should never have happened, I was for total immersion into society. I like the idea of giving at least part of Cali back to them. However, we keep bases etc., let rest of Cali go to the kooks out there and also send them all the other nutjobs.


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(08-05-2018 03:29 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 03:24 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I'd gladly split California and give the Native's their own nation. Hell, I'd gladly just give them the entire state of California.

The N.A. peoples would no doubt improve it. They are a proud people. And they don't tolerate trash and laziness.

I would strongly challenge this assertion.

(08-05-2018 04:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Many European observers were struck by gourmandizing as well as by what struck them as subsequent "profligacy" or "indolence." At times, Indians used everything. But on occasions they did not, and the observers remarked upon "putrified carcasses," animals left untouched, or Indians who took only "the best parts of the meat." Sometimes Indians were said to kill "whole herds" only for the fat-filled tongues.

http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tser...ffalob.htm

Noble race and what not, harumph


Humans gonna human.

I guess the fact that the different tribes of the Americas ruthlessly killed each other for 10,000 years is fake history. Good grief, sometimes the idiocy makes me laugh.

These people have minds so open there's no room for any brain cells.

(08-07-2018 03:44 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Always felt the reservation system should never have happened, I was for total immersion into society. I like the idea of giving at least part of Cali back to them. However, we keep bases etc., let rest of Cali go to the kooks out there and also send them all the other nutjobs.


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Like Oklahoma.

Let's just give California to Putin instead.

(08-07-2018 03:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Let's just give California to Putin instead.

He doesn't want that shitehole. Lol

Indians did not have real estate ownership records. They routinely "stole" land from other tribes. Euros were another tribe that won.

People who have 30%-100% Indian DNA are the majority in California.