(08-02-2018 11:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 11:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 10:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 10:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Democrats hate America? I'm confused, but if that's the case then why are our enemies (Putin and Assaunge) doing so much to try to help the GOP.
Asking for a friend.

Are Putin and Assange our enemies? More so than the democrats?
What are they doing to help the GOP?

Putin supports genocide for LGBT persons. Has even overseen it in Southern Russia. Real death camps. Real genocide. If Putin isn't your enemy, then you should really consider yourself. This isn't hyperbole. Its fact. And its ongoing.
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Putin has been funding the NRA, using his agent Assaunge to hack the Dems, and has probably been funding the evangelicals too. All for the benefit of Donald Trump and the GOP.

OMG, conspiracy theory time.

More proof the Earth is flat than there is to any of that other stuff.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gay_p...n_Chechnya

Ongoing genocide. Fact.

(08-02-2018 11:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gay_p...n_Chechnya

Ongoing genocide. Fact.

Do you identify as anything other than a gay man?

Asking for a friend.

(08-02-2018 08:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 08:05 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I'm sure you could fill a 1,000 seat stadium, with gay people, black people, feminists, etc who would go absolutely nuts for Trump. Under the right circumstances that would seem like black people are crazy about him. Start trying to go beyond those thousand seats and it'll start looking like a Mississippi JUCO team playing in Ohio Stadium.

That's about right. The level of support that Trump as among minorities is NOT zero, but its pretty darn close.

Well it was enough to help him get elected so..................

(08-02-2018 11:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 11:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 11:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 10:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 10:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Democrats hate America? I'm confused, but if that's the case then why are our enemies (Putin and Assaunge) doing so much to try to help the GOP.
Asking for a friend.

Are Putin and Assange our enemies? More so than the democrats?
What are they doing to help the GOP?

Putin supports genocide for LGBT persons. Has even overseen it in Southern Russia. Real death camps. Real genocide. If Putin isn't your enemy, then you should really consider yourself. This isn't hyperbole. Its fact. And its ongoing.
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Putin has been funding the NRA, using his agent Assaunge to hack the Dems, and has probably been funding the evangelicals too. All for the benefit of Donald Trump and the GOP.

OMG, conspiracy theory time.

Nope. Pure fact. Putin is conducting a real genocide against his LGBT population. Real deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gay_p...n_Chechnya

And Russia just admitted that one of the reported victims that they denied was murdered was, in fact, murdered. They also said they know who killed him.....but no one has been arrested. Its an ongoing Genocide.

Look, lots of people liked Mussolini because he made the trains run on time.

Putin = Genocide. Support Putin, and AT BEST, you're enabling his actions.

The only "fact" that you provided supporting documentation for is his hard crackdown on gays. I agree that he shouldn't be doing it. Otherwise, it's not in our control to change that.

The balance of your facts are conspiracy theories that the left WANTS to be true...

(08-02-2018 09:16 PM)Momus Wrote:  Trump is clearly the most racist president of modern times. Not all of his supporters are racists, but most racists support him. There’s plenty who fit the description.

Apparently you aren't familiar with LBJ.

(08-02-2018 09:56 PM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:49 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:43 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:26 PM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yea, there's little nuance about Trump and the people who support him now. Its just simple racism/white supremacy. There's nothing subtle about it at all.

They’re still too cowardly to openly admit it.

Why don't you two get a room.

The only thing they have proven is that democrats hate white people, democrats hate straight people, democrats hate people that are for legal immigration, democrats hate people that want lower taxes, democrats hate people that agree with the constitution, democrats hate capitalism, democrats hate the flag.

In short, just remember, democrats hate you.

Democrats hate America.

Hatred is the right-wing game. We on the left are trying to save our great nation from the threat the right represents. The right is thoroughly Un-American. They line up shoulder to shoulder with America’s adversaries, with race-baiters, with white supremacists, with those who denigrate justice, and with those who tear down a free press. The right wants to turn America into a dictatorship. They want to limit the right to vote. They want to strip democracy away from our citizens. History will remember the modern right as the vile group that they are.

(08-02-2018 09:56 PM)Momus Wrote:  Hatred is the right-wing game. We on the left are trying to save our great nation from the threat the right represents. The right is thoroughly Un-American. They line up shoulder to shoulder with America’s adversaries, with race-baiters, with white supremacists, with those who denigrate justice, and with those who tear down a free press. The right wants to turn America into a dictatorship. They want to limit the right to vote. They want to strip democracy away from our citizens. History will remember the modern right as the vile group that they are.

Do you mean the "free press" who wants to harass and berate and espouse violence on anyone who agrees with the right?

Do you mean limit the right to vote to only those people who are LEGAL residents and follow the rules of our country?

Do you mean a dictatorship as in one supreme ruler - No Congress, no Senate, no Supreme Court?


Do you pay taxes? Do you have a job? Do you have to take care of anyone else besides yourself? Do you want to give most of what you earn away to the government to let them do with what they please and leave you just enough to have a warm house and some food - maybe. I will ask you the same thing I asked Mach in another thread - is your life really that much different today than it was 4 years ago. Are you "less free" than you were 4 years ago, are your core beliefs now putting your life in danger?

Momus - have you seen the "hatred" coming from the left in the last 18 months? You are an idiot if you think this is a "red thing" only.....

(08-02-2018 06:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 05:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 05:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. Bespoke group does what they were designed to do.

Meanwhile, we will see in November how well Trump is faring with African American voters.

Look, 3 to 5 percent of African Americans support Donald Trump. 5 to 10 percent of LGBT voters do. 10 percent or so of non-Cuban Hispanics support the Trump Admin. So, sure, Trump can trot out the same few supporters from those groups to try to sell Trump's racist and homophobic policies to the white voters that support Trump.

And that's the whole point of this 'award'. Trump and the GOP aren't trying to win minority voters, but rather to place some risible 'denial of racism' to the white voters that support him.

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Its so bad that you can find Trump's African American supporters in multiple places. Like the Blacks for Trump, Zircon and Burlap, and a few religious homophobes. They appear multiple times at multiple events. There's no groundswell of organic support by minorities for Trump or the GOP.

Why are the ones that offer a different opinion to the norm ostracized? Dak Prescott comes to mind. Yesterday he merely gave his opinion and was called a "coon" and "speaking for his master", etc. Makes no sense.

Here's why I condemn those from my community that publicly support Trump. Because they are used by Trump to refute claims of bigotry by Trump supporters. Basically the very few (usually well off) minority supporters of Trump are being used by Trump not as a two way street to influence Trump to be less of a bigot/racist, but as a way for Trump and his supporters to continue to be just as racist and bigoted as before and to try to provide cover to white supremacists and bigots that support Trumps policies.

So, are you saying those minorities that support Trump can not think for themselves and are only being used by Trump? Seems a tad bit racists to me.

Support for President Donald Trump among African American voters nearly doubled from August 2017 to August 2018. The percentage of black voters who approve of the job Mr. Trump is doing as president was 15% in the Rasmussen Reports Daily Presidential Tracking Poll on August 2, 2017.

As of August 2, 2018, the percentage of black voters who approve of the job Mr. Trump is doing as president has risen to 29%.

https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/polls...ack-voters

(08-03-2018 08:25 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Momus - have you seen the "hatred" coming from the left in the last 18 months? You are an idiot if you think this is a "red thing" only.....

One time, I had a liberal threaten to shoot my cat because I was a "gun nut".

Still laughing about that one.

(08-03-2018 10:06 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Support for President Donald Trump among African American voters nearly doubled from August 2017 to August 2018. The percentage of black voters who approve of the job Mr. Trump is doing as president was 15% in the Rasmussen Reports Daily Presidential Tracking Poll on August 2, 2017.

As of August 2, 2018, the percentage of black voters who approve of the job Mr. Trump is doing as president has risen to 29%.

https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/polls...ack-voters

LOL. Rasmussen. A far right outlier poll. And they don't have any methodology released either. Here's a real data point. In Alabama, the GOP got 2 percent of African American women voters and 5 percent overall. That's about where we are.

I encourage you to think that a third of African American voters will vote for Trump and plan y'all's campaigns around that assumption.

I actually met a Black person who supports Trump. He works for ICE. So sure, there are a couple thousand Blacks who, for a variety of reasons, will support Trump. Its not zero. But its damn close to it.

(08-03-2018 08:33 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 06:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 05:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 05:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. Bespoke group does what they were designed to do.

Meanwhile, we will see in November how well Trump is faring with African American voters.

Look, 3 to 5 percent of African Americans support Donald Trump. 5 to 10 percent of LGBT voters do. 10 percent or so of non-Cuban Hispanics support the Trump Admin. So, sure, Trump can trot out the same few supporters from those groups to try to sell Trump's racist and homophobic policies to the white voters that support Trump.

And that's the whole point of this 'award'. Trump and the GOP aren't trying to win minority voters, but rather to place some risible 'denial of racism' to the white voters that support him.

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Its so bad that you can find Trump's African American supporters in multiple places. Like the Blacks for Trump, Zircon and Burlap, and a few religious homophobes. They appear multiple times at multiple events. There's no groundswell of organic support by minorities for Trump or the GOP.

Why are the ones that offer a different opinion to the norm ostracized? Dak Prescott comes to mind. Yesterday he merely gave his opinion and was called a "coon" and "speaking for his master", etc. Makes no sense.

Here's why I condemn those from my community that publicly support Trump. Because they are used by Trump to refute claims of bigotry by Trump supporters. Basically the very few (usually well off) minority supporters of Trump are being used by Trump not as a two way street to influence Trump to be less of a bigot/racist, but as a way for Trump and his supporters to continue to be just as racist and bigoted as before and to try to provide cover to white supremacists and bigots that support Trumps policies.

So, are you saying those minorities that support Trump can not think for themselves and are only being used by Trump? Seems a tad bit racists to me.

Oh I think that some of them really support Trump. The problem is that many of them appear to be making a career out of being Trump supporters (BlacksforTrump.com, Zircon and Burlap, etc.).

The issue I was conveying was that Trump's Black supporters, whether wilful or otherwise, are not there to campaign for Trump in the African American community, but rather are there to try to sell 'see we're not racist - lookie there - a Black person!' to Trumps racist white base. That isn't on them, but really on Trump's white supporters.

Another poster said, you can fill a 1000 seat arena with Black supporters of Trump easily. Beyond that.....there'd be a problem.

TIL is wrong about 99% of the time. Its hysterical. The far left people are an absolute hoot. Idiots to the nth power.

(08-02-2018 06:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 05:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 05:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. Bespoke group does what they were designed to do.

Meanwhile, we will see in November how well Trump is faring with African American voters.

Look, 3 to 5 percent of African Americans support Donald Trump. 5 to 10 percent of LGBT voters do. 10 percent or so of non-Cuban Hispanics support the Trump Admin. So, sure, Trump can trot out the same few supporters from those groups to try to sell Trump's racist and homophobic policies to the white voters that support Trump.

And that's the whole point of this 'award'. Trump and the GOP aren't trying to win minority voters, but rather to place some risible 'denial of racism' to the white voters that support him.

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Its so bad that you can find Trump's African American supporters in multiple places. Like the Blacks for Trump, Zircon and Burlap, and a few religious homophobes. They appear multiple times at multiple events. There's no groundswell of organic support by minorities for Trump or the GOP.

Why are the ones that offer a different opinion to the norm ostracized? Dak Prescott comes to mind. Yesterday he merely gave his opinion and was called a "coon" and "speaking for his master", etc. Makes no sense.

Here's why I condemn those from my community that publicly support Trump. Because they are used by Trump to refute claims of bigotry by Trump supporters. Basically the very few (usually well off) minority supporters of Trump are being used by Trump not as a two way street to influence Trump to be less of a bigot/racist, but as a way for Trump and his supporters to continue to be just as racist and bigoted as before and to try to provide cover to white supremacists and bigots that support Trumps policies.

I know it does not fit your narrative, or jibe with the perception that lets you rationalize your views of the world, but only the wackos believe Trump is a racist or a bigot. He's loud, brash, criticizes everyone he disagrees with, and will call out anyone. When the object of that is a person of color or a minority you cry "RACISM". fine.

I think Trump believes in winning. period. If you can help him do that he had not problem with your color or nationality. If you are opposed to him he is opposed to you.

You seem to find outrage in the "white supremacists and bigots" who jump on the Trump train, but seem fine with the radical and violent alt left and minority groups who oppose him. Oh... I forgot.... only white people can be racist...

Your schtick about Trump racism is very old, very tired, very intellectually shallow.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...137382.htm

In a new Harvard/Harris poll released this week exclusively to The Hill, President Trump’s overall approval rating rose to 47 percent, just two points shy of the highest level of his presidency, per that survey. The main driver of his growing popularity now: a stunning 10 percent rise in Trump approval among Hispanics. 

Everybody loves Trump.

America is happy

Color blind America

We have the best big tent folks, super elites.




https://www.americanthinker.com/articles..._gays.html

Trump is Winning Over Blacks, Hispanics, Millennials, and Even Gays

(08-03-2018 10:13 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 10:06 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Support for President Donald Trump among African American voters nearly doubled from August 2017 to August 2018. The percentage of black voters who approve of the job Mr. Trump is doing as president was 15% in the Rasmussen Reports Daily Presidential Tracking Poll on August 2, 2017.

As of August 2, 2018, the percentage of black voters who approve of the job Mr. Trump is doing as president has risen to 29%.

https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/polls...ack-voters

LOL. Rasmussen. A far right outlier poll. And they don't have any methodology released either. Here's a real data point. In Alabama, the GOP got 2 percent of African American women voters and 5 percent overall. That's about where we are.

I encourage you to think that a third of African American voters will vote for Trump and plan y'all's campaigns around that assumption.

I actually met a Black person who supports Trump. He works for ICE. So sure, there are a couple thousand Blacks who, for a variety of reasons, will support Trump. Its not zero. But its damn close to it.

Trump got about 15% of the BM vote in 2016, and about 4% of the BW vote.
He got about 30% of the Hispanic vote. According to exit polling. He will get higher %'s next cycle. Not much of a bump with BW though.

On the Mexico border, Latino Republicans back Trump's immigration plans
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/...index.html

Trump's Approval Rating Rises Among Hispanics
In a new Harvard/Harris poll released this week exclusively to The Hill, President Trump’s overall approval rating rose to 47 percent, just two points shy of the highest level of his presidency, per that survey. The main driver of his growing popularity now: a stunning 10 percent rise in Trump approval among Hispanics.

Moreover, in contrast to the assumptions of the leftist identity-politics hucksters, Hispanics are far from uniform on immigration issues, and actually take a very moderate and pragmatic approach to the border and enforcement. In fact, per Zogby Analytics exit polling from 2016, twice as many Hispanics believe immigration enforcement is too lax versus too stringent. Regarding the recent border issues, an Economist/YouGov poll found that only 20 percent of Hispanics support the previous policies of “catch and release” where families entering the country illegally are not detained but summoned to report back for a later hearing – at which many never show up. Instead, 64 percent of Hispanics support either detaining the whole family together, or detaining parents and children separately. This will disappoint the Democrats, to be sure, but legal Hispanics hardly support open borders.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...37382.html

Am I the only one who thinks Presidential Approval Ratings are unimportant in regards to re-election chances ?

IMO, it all has to do with matchups. Many people will vote for someone they don't approve of; after the election, they tend to go back to whatever line they default to.

(08-03-2018 11:38 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Am I the only one who thinks Presidential Approval Ratings are unimportant in regards to re-election chances ?

IMO, it all has to do with matchups. Many people will vote for someone they don't approve of; after the election, they tend to go back to whatever line they default to.

Trump is 20 pts higher than the polls. Winning is fun. Big tent party. We love our voters. Crystal clear, clean, beautiful voters.