If AAC and MWC have been raided? Some of the schools could be gone.

ODU, UMass., Dayton and Southern Miss. are AAC candidates.
UTEP, UTSA, New Mexico State and Rice to the MWC.
Toledo, Northern Illinois, Buffalo and Ohio U. are also likely targets.
Even North Dakota State would be a likely target.

Lets remove them from the best of the rest.

La. Tech
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee State
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Bowling Green
Arkansas State
Appalachian State
South Alabama
Georgia Southern
Army

I will throw these FCS schools in.
Eastern Washington
Missouri State
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Illinois State
Jacksonville State
Chattanooga
James Madison
New Hampshire
Northern Arizona

James Madison, New Hampshire and South Dakota State are the strongest to make the best of the rest to go to 12 teams. I can say Eastern Washington is up there as well, but they do not have somebody close by.

(07-31-2018 11:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If AAC and MWC have been raided? Some of the schools could be gone.

ODU, UMass., Dayton and Southern Miss. are AAC candidates.
UTEP, UTSA, New Mexico State and Rice to the MWC.
Toledo, Northern Illinois, Buffalo and Ohio U. are also likely targets.
Even North Dakota State would be a likely target.

Lets remove them from the best of the rest.

La. Tech
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee State
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Bowling Green
Arkansas State
Appalachian State
South Alabama
Georgia Southern
Army

I will throw these FCS schools in.
Eastern Washington
Missouri State
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Illinois State
Jacksonville State
Chattanooga
James Madison
New Hampshire
Northern Arizona

James Madison, New Hampshire and South Dakota State are the strongest to make the best of the rest to go to 12 teams. I can say Eastern Washington is up there as well, but they do not have somebody close by.

What about the entirety of FCS and D2 you normally list?

(07-31-2018 11:31 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 11:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If AAC and MWC have been raided? Some of the schools could be gone.

ODU, UMass., Dayton and Southern Miss. are AAC candidates.
UTEP, UTSA, New Mexico State and Rice to the MWC.
Toledo, Northern Illinois, Buffalo and Ohio U. are also likely targets.
Even North Dakota State would be a likely target.

Lets remove them from the best of the rest.

La. Tech
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee State
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Bowling Green
Arkansas State
Appalachian State
South Alabama
Georgia Southern
Army

I will throw these FCS schools in.
Eastern Washington
Missouri State
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Illinois State
Jacksonville State
Chattanooga
James Madison
New Hampshire
Northern Arizona

James Madison, New Hampshire and South Dakota State are the strongest to make the best of the rest to go to 12 teams. I can say Eastern Washington is up there as well, but they do not have somebody close by.

What about the entirety of FCS and D2 you normally list?

This is the best of the rest. The list would be small. I had to say troy could get up there soon, and maybe Sam Houston State, UCA and McNeese State. There is really not many to choose from. Coastal is not there to pick, Charlotte was a disaster to move up, Georgia State still have issues with their team when they lose to Tennessee State, Troy just came back from being bad, and some others are not up there. I would put Jacksonville State on the list, but they are being block by the other Alabama schools already in FBS.

I'm not sure what incentive the MAC would have to be involved (which I will get to in another thread) but here is what I would do between SBC-CUSA.

Southern States Conference

West: North Texas, A-State, LaTech, Louisiana, So. Miss, UAB
East: Marshall, WKU, Middle Tenn, App State, Georgia St, FAU

-I would put the focus on FB schools. For example App St over Charlotte.

-In the case of Georgia State there is such a large market differential between an Atlanta based school and a Statesboro based school I would have go with the Panthers on this one.

-I placed emphasis on programs with bigger FB stadiums. Louisiana, SoMiss, Marshall have pretty big stadiums with the potential to draw. I think this is important for maintaining a perception of a higher level conference.

(07-31-2018 05:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  In my argument I left the MWC out because they are isolated in the west.

But there are certainly programs among C-USA, MAC, and Sun Belt that are better then some in the AAC.

While there are what some would call "bottom feeders" in the AAC I would take anyone we have over 99% of anyone not in the AAC or the MWC.

While on any given day any program can beat any other those programs, that would be defined as such in the AAC, they much stronger programs overall and most are not in the lower rung historically.

ECU for one has been down in football but they have a very strong fanbase for one and by that a solid group of donors.

Tulsa though small is historically a very strong overall program and very tough in football.

Tulane I'll give you is a drag more years than not in athletics but they are a very prestigious university and bring value to the conference off the field.

And on and on.....

Of the "best of the rest" so to speak at best it's a wash. You might trade say Tulane for a "football" school but they could be a zero everywhere else.

You have to look at the overall picture and it just isn't there. Like someone said earlier you don't see any AAC/MWC schools courting a move to CUSA, MAC, SunBelt....

What you do see are schools in those conferences either overtly or covertly campaigning for a potential place at one of those tables.

(08-01-2018 07:11 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I'm not sure what incentive the MAC would have to be involved (which I will get to in another thread) but here is what I would do between SBC-CUSA.

Southern States Conference

West: North Texas, A-State, LaTech, Louisiana, So. Miss, UAB
East: Marshall, WKU, Middle Tenn, App State, Georgia St, FAU

-I would put the focus on FB schools. For example App St over Charlotte.

-In the case of Georgia State there is such a large market differential between an Atlanta based school and a Statesboro based school I would have go with the Panthers on this one.

-I placed emphasis on programs with bigger FB stadiums. Louisiana, SoMiss, Marshall have pretty big stadiums with the potential to draw. I think this is important for maintaining a perception of a higher level conference.

Can you explain what the correlation between existing in large markets has to having a successful athletic department? Reality overwhelmingly shows there is no correlation and schools in smaller markets often outperform and outdraw those in large ones. Hence the attendance issues at Georgia State and Charlotte despite being in major metro areas.

(07-31-2018 11:03 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 10:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 06:45 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  And if you combine all the schools, here are the top 12 in average BB/FB rank:

Toledo
Louisiana Tech
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Marshall
Western Michigan
Ohio
Northern Illinois
Louisiana-Lafayette
Buffalo
Old Dominion
Akron

Football wise App is 9-0 vs teams on that list.

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If you click on his link it gives a breakdow. App is seventh in football but 36th in basketball.

I was simply respond to the schools on that particular list. App basketball was getting into a good place until our former AD allowed a couple of influential boosters convince him into hiring a coach with ZERO coaching simply because he was a unc-ch grad and the coaching family tree he came from. Not only did his teams stink, he landed us in big APR issues, cost us scholarships, practice times and no chance of making conference tournament. Essentially destroyed the program. New coach has built the program and poised to have his best ever recruiting class.

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TrueBlueDrew is there year-round whenever the topic of Georgia State pops up. So flattering

(08-01-2018 09:47 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  TrueBlueDrew is there year-round whenever the topic of Georgia State pops up. So flattering

I was here well before people mentioned Georgia State, but thanks for the shout out

(08-01-2018 09:54 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 09:47 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  TrueBlueDrew is there year-round whenever the topic of Georgia State pops up. So flattering

I was here well before people mentioned Georgia State, but thanks for the shout out

Whenever my school is mentioned anywhere, i can almost expect your post lol

(08-01-2018 09:55 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 09:54 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 09:47 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  TrueBlueDrew is there year-round whenever the topic of Georgia State pops up. So flattering

I was here well before people mentioned Georgia State, but thanks for the shout out

Whenever my school is mentioned anywhere, i can almost expect your post lol

Okay great. This thread is discussing building a conference out of post realignment top teams. Feel free to add to that discussion and whine elsewhere.

(08-01-2018 09:59 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 09:55 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 09:54 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 09:47 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  TrueBlueDrew is there year-round whenever the topic of Georgia State pops up. So flattering

I was here well before people mentioned Georgia State, but thanks for the shout out

Whenever my school is mentioned anywhere, i can almost expect your post lol

Okay great. This thread is discussing building a conference out of post realignment top teams. Feel free to add to that discussion and whine elsewhere.

lol

(08-01-2018 08:45 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:11 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I'm not sure what incentive the MAC would have to be involved (which I will get to in another thread) but here is what I would do between SBC-CUSA.

Southern States Conference

West: North Texas, A-State, LaTech, Louisiana, So. Miss, UAB
East: Marshall, WKU, Middle Tenn, App State, Georgia St, FAU

-I would put the focus on FB schools. For example App St over Charlotte.

-In the case of Georgia State there is such a large market differential between an Atlanta based school and a Statesboro based school I would have go with the Panthers on this one.

-I placed emphasis on programs with bigger FB stadiums. Louisiana, SoMiss, Marshall have pretty big stadiums with the potential to draw. I think this is important for maintaining a perception of a higher level conference.

Can you explain what the correlation between existing in large markets has to having a successful athletic department? Reality overwhelmingly shows there is no correlation and schools in smaller markets often outperform and outdraw those in large ones. Hence the attendance issues at Georgia State and Charlotte despite being in major metro areas.

Large markets have more corporate sponsorship to work with.

I wouldn't put Georgia State and Charlotte in the same category. Georgia State is one of only 4 FBS programs in a talent rich state and is located in the biggest city in the south.

In my estimation, one of the issues with CUSA is it doesn't have a Georgia representative. Instead it has a team in Virginia which is far flung and a representative in North Carolina in Charlotte but its the wrong representative. They would be better of with Appalachian State and Arkansas State over ODU/UTSA despite the markets.

Georgia Southern after a few years in FBS is not doing that well because of the limitation of the triple option and that is why I would go in with Georgia State with its new stadium situation instead in addition to the larger market.

I'm sure Georgia Southern could find a spot in CUSA with the openings created. I don't know if ULM or Coastal will be quite as fortunate.

(07-31-2018 09:32 PM)andy98 Wrote:  Northern division
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Buffalo
Marshall

Southern division
Western Kentucky
MTSU
Old Dominion
Georgia State
Southern Miss
Louisiana Tech
Arkansas State

Make it happen. Attendance would soar

(08-01-2018 08:34 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 05:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  In my argument I left the MWC out because they are isolated in the west.

But there are certainly programs among C-USA, MAC, and Sun Belt that are better then some in the AAC.

While there are what some would call "bottom feeders" in the AAC I would take anyone we have over 99% of anyone not in the AAC or the MWC.

While on any given day any program can beat any other those programs, that would be defined as such in the AAC, they much stronger programs overall and most are not in the lower rung historically.

ECU for one has been down in football but they have a very strong fanbase for one and by that a solid group of donors.

Tulsa though small is historically a very strong overall program and very tough in football.

Tulane I'll give you is a drag more years than not in athletics but they are a very prestigious university and bring value to the conference off the field.

And on and on.....

Of the "best of the rest" so to speak at best it's a wash. You might trade say Tulane for a "football" school but they could be a zero everywhere else.

You have to look at the overall picture and it just isn't there. Like someone said earlier you don't see any AAC/MWC schools courting a move to CUSA, MAC, SunBelt....

What you do see are schools in those conferences either overtly or covertly campaigning for a potential place at one of those tables.

I think there’s a lot of schools that are potentially “better” fits for the AAC than some current AAC teams. Schools like Marshall, Toledo, WMU, and Buffalo would all be potential competitors.