(07-23-2018 05:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 10:44 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 08:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Since the GOP/Non-Democrats are doing everything possible to encourage the spread of HIV...

That is everything except decriminalizing knowingly trying to spread it.

I'll also add that I'm a non-Democrat although certainly not a Republican. You've made quite the claim here. I've can't think of anything I've done to encourage the spread of HIV, except play wingman for my buddy but he's all PrEPed up anyway.

(07-22-2018 08:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  How about free Truvada? That would end HIV transmission, immediately.

No argument here. I'm not sure why this isn't on the list of main campaign issues for the Dems nationwide.

If you're a non-democrat, you are supporting 100 percent of the Trump agenda. Because that's what your vote does.

And the Trump Administration is encouraging the spread of HIV, by demolishing funding for treatment, encouraging direct and indirect healthcare discrimination against LGBT persons, removing education programs that actually will reach the communities impacted by the disease, encouraging the loss of insurance coverage for LGBT persons via attacks on insurance coverage and direct support for discrimination against LGBT persons in employment and benefits, and the decimation of funding of every organization in public health that is trusted by the communities.

Oh, come on. Gee whiz brother, do you realize how silly you sound right there ?

I mean, you sound about as silly as my cat when he still whines after I've fed him 7 cans of Fancy Feast.

(07-23-2018 05:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 12:33 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 10:44 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 08:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  [quote='Tom in Lazybrook' pid='15394860' dateline='1532308727']
How about free Truvada? That would end HIV transmission, immediately.

No argument here. I'm not sure why this isn't on the list of main campaign issues for the Dems nationwide.

Because free Truvada would literally do nothing to move the needle politically. HIV is such a small health issue compared to the obesity epidemic its not even funny.

And yet, here we are, talking about criminalizing people with HIV, and ignoring all other diseases that people transmit. The obvious conclusion is that this is yet another attempt by people who want to criminalize a disease because its a backdoor to justifying discrimination against LGBT persons.

The reason why we don't criminalize any other diseases is because doing so will cause people to avoid treatment and testing, thus harming public health.

The entire point of this discussion is to try out the old 1980's BS again, blaming Gay people for HIV as a way to encourage demonization of LGBT persons and to justify discrimination.

honestly, do you have the ability to read or just go full blown gay 100% of the time.....

there isn't a soul bashing your crew outside of 'sense o' humidor'.....

quit crying and start trying to figure it out differently in ewe're head.....not our problem son.....

I'm confused...so knowingly giving someone a disease that can kill them, isn't a crime? If I knowingly give someone poison, is that a crime? What is the difference?


This has nothing to do with criminalizing the LGBTQ community. It has everything to do with protecting the innocent.

(07-22-2018 06:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Criminalizing people with HIV is a very bad idea. All it will do is keep people from being tested and getting on treatment. And positive people will have higher viral loads, which will cause the disease to spread further. We went down this route during the 1980's. The GOP response then, as it is now, is to blame Gay people for being HIV+.

Yes, there are psychopaths out there (maybe a dozen out of millions of LGBT persons) that are out there infecting others. But the impact of criminalization is to make being HIV positive a crime. The key is to get everyone on Truvada and be done with it.

Trying to argue for criminalization in a world where it is legal (and supported by many Republicans) to fire someone for being LGBT, to deny them healthcare (as happened to my brother), to deny them equal access to government funded jobs, to deny equal access to public accommodations and housing is just going to be seen as an attempt by the GOP/Alt Right/Putinists to jail people for being Gay.

Why no focus on criminaliztion of people who knowingly pass on Hepititis? Oh that impacts straight white Christians.

The defense of criminalization statutes is just a back door by Robert Jeffress, Tony Perkins, and Mike Pence in their goal of criminalizingall LGBT persons in the USA, regardless of serostatus.

No person with HIV (nor any Gay person) has any reason to trust the Trump Administration. We have every reason to expect the worst from them. They are completely filled with people who wish to harm them. This administration has repeatedly lied about the scope of their actions against other minorities (e.g., were not targeting non-violent immigrants, etc..).

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Criminal prosecution of HIV positive persons will just cause the disease to spread faster.

Call me when they start throwing a bunch of white straight Christians in prison for spreading Hepatitis. I'd argue that chronic Hepititis is more deadly and disabling than HIV is today.

Man, you guys will twist anything to your own ends. NO ONE said a word about criminalizing people with a disease. That's one of the dumbest things I've heard here.

(07-23-2018 06:02 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I'm confused...so knowingly giving someone a disease that can kill them, isn't a crime? If I knowingly give someone poison, is that a crime? What is the difference?


This has nothing to do with criminalizing the LGBTQ community. It has everything to do with protecting the innocent.

This thread is confusing. I think in a nutshell, Tom is saying that HIV is a gay person's disease.

(07-23-2018 06:02 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I'm confused...so knowingly giving someone a disease that can kill them, isn't a crime? If I knowingly give someone poison, is that a crime? What is the difference?


This has nothing to do with criminalizing the LGBTQ community. It has everything to do with protecting the innocent.

how you deal with those cali fks is beyond me.....you're a better man than thine....

(07-22-2018 08:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Come on folks. You guys who don't vote for Democrats don't give two sh*ts about stopping HIV/AIDS. Your leader has slashed HIV funding to pay for toddler jails, has slashed funding for any group that the LGBT community trusts, has removed health care protections for HIV and LGBT persons, and the list goes on.

Since the GOP/Non-Democrats are doing everything possible to encourage the spread of HIV, then the only plausible reason for criminalization is to try to criminalize being Gay.

And why no similar treatement of Hepetitis.

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How about free Truvada? That would end HIV transmission, immediately.

Wow, you did it, you went full bore mentally challenged and unhinged. You are so full of shite that I am embarrassed for you as a fellow human being.

(07-22-2018 08:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 08:21 PM)dfarr Wrote:  Wait, I thought HIV wasn’t a gay disease? At least that’s what Oprah told us in the late 80s.

That was only to try to get the Reagan Administration to stop ignoring the disease, while their evangelical Christian supporters cheered the deaths of 60 million LGBT persons from a disease.

HIV does impact people who aren't Gay. But in an environment of massive discrimination against LGBT persons, as it is now under Trump, any attempt to criminalize people for being HIV , absent it being part of a larger criminalization of other chronic diseases like Hepetitits that impact straight people in greater numbers, can only be seen as an attempt to criminalize and demonize all LGBT persons.

60 million died of AIDS during Reagan's term? Who knew.

(07-22-2018 08:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 08:39 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 08:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Come on folks. You guys who don't vote for Democrats don't give two sh*ts about stopping HIV/AIDS. Your leader has slashed HIV funding to pay for toddler jails, has slashed funding for any group that the LGBT community trusts, has removed health care protections for HIV and LGBT persons, and the list goes on.

Since the GOP/Non-Democrats are doing everything possible to encourage the spread of HIV, then the only plausible reason for criminalization is to try to criminalize being Gay.

And why no similar treatement of Hepetitis.

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How about free Truvada? That would end HIV transmission, immediately.

So what responsibility does an individual who is HIV+ have in not transmitting the disease? In your book, it sounds like they don't have any responsibility. Just have the government fix it. You are truly a liberal in every sense of the word.

They have no more, nor any less responsibility than someone with Hepetitis or Tuburculosis, or MRSA. I have proposed a way to wipe out HIV. But it involves free Truvada. Which costs 1600 a year in the USA (less than 20 a year in other countries).

Wow, so now you've found the cure for the disease? I had no idea I was breathing such rarefied air. You've lost it bud. Seek help.

(07-22-2018 09:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 09:01 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 08:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is part of the Trump administrations attempt to effectively remove LGBT persons from American life.

I thought we were talking about an issue that was decided at the state level.

Tom should know, he has been living in a Gay FEMA camp. There has never been a more dishonest poster here than Tom, ever.

I agree.

(07-23-2018 06:02 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I'm confused...so knowingly giving someone a disease that can kill them, isn't a crime? If I knowingly give someone poison, is that a crime? What is the difference?


This has nothing to do with criminalizing the LGBTQ community. It has everything to do with protecting the innocent.

Get out of here with that rational thought.

(07-23-2018 06:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 06:02 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I'm confused...so knowingly giving someone a disease that can kill them, isn't a crime? If I knowingly give someone poison, is that a crime? What is the difference?


This has nothing to do with criminalizing the LGBTQ community. It has everything to do with protecting the innocent.

Get out of here with that rational thought.

Sorry, please forgive me.

(07-23-2018 09:32 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 06:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 06:02 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I'm confused...so knowingly giving someone a disease that can kill them, isn't a crime? If I knowingly give someone poison, is that a crime? What is the difference?


This has nothing to do with criminalizing the LGBTQ community. It has everything to do with protecting the innocent.

Get out of here with that rational thought.

Sorry, please forgive me.

we only forgive the irrational if they choose rational.....they simply continue to choose the former....

(07-22-2018 08:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 08:21 PM)dfarr Wrote:  Wait, I thought HIV wasn’t a gay disease? At least that’s what Oprah told us in the late 80s.

That was only to try to get the Reagan Administration to stop ignoring the disease, while their evangelical Christian supporters cheered the deaths of 60 million LGBT persons from a disease.

HIV does impact people who aren't Gay. But in an environment of massive discrimination against LGBT persons, as it is now under Trump, any attempt to criminalize people for being HIV , absent it being part of a larger criminalization of other chronic diseases like Hepetitits that impact straight people in greater numbers, can only be seen as an attempt to criminalize and demonize all LGBT persons.

Way too much FAIL in your post to address at this hour. Suffice it to say that if there is "an environment of massive discrimination against LGBT persons" and "an attempt to criminalize and demonize all LGBT persons" then someone is doing it wrong. The only massive effort I see is the one to normalize abnormal behavior and to have homosexuality and sexual anomalies be considered mainstream. This isn't new, since the effort has been ongoing since the 1970s, but the successes of the effort has been more recent.

Your cries of victimhood are laughable in America's current social climate. Your concern should be for those who will unknowingly have unprotected sex with a person who has a potentially life threatening disease. Yet your concern is only that homosexuals are demonized. Learn some freaking perspective.

(07-23-2018 06:13 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 08:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 08:21 PM)dfarr Wrote:  Wait, I thought HIV wasn’t a gay disease? At least that’s what Oprah told us in the late 80s.

That was only to try to get the Reagan Administration to stop ignoring the disease, while their evangelical Christian supporters cheered the deaths of 60 million LGBT persons from a disease.

HIV does impact people who aren't Gay. But in an environment of massive discrimination against LGBT persons, as it is now under Trump, any attempt to criminalize people for being HIV , absent it being part of a larger criminalization of other chronic diseases like Hepetitits that impact straight people in greater numbers, can only be seen as an attempt to criminalize and demonize all LGBT persons.

60 million died of AIDS during Reagan's term? Who knew.

DAY-UM!

So TEN times the true Holocaust?!?

I spent near two decades with many gay friends, roommates, co-workers, whatever.

Many of them have died since then. Had never met a gay person, only seen Quientin Quisp (I think that's right) on some odd-ball show on maybe NPR back in 1979? We had no cable, sooo, ?

Why'd they die? Not a ONE from HIV/Aids.

OD'd (many_), "boyfriend"/partner beating the schit out out of them, Offing themselves in their showers with a hanging. Getting busted and ending up mailing it in while in prison.

Many. Most all pretty great, intelligent, talented people.

Hunh. Why's that?

If the gay/alphabet soup "community" would ever clean up their own yard, instead of screaming over the fence to Hetero's, maybe wee could get somewhere.

Who here hates gays?!? I most certainly don't, I rather enjoy them. Many are great people. Good company, for sure.

How many of the "community" hate married folks that may religiously object to their "lifestyle" choices?

Hmmmmm.

(07-22-2018 06:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Criminalizing people with HIV is a very bad idea. All it will do is keep people from being tested and getting on treatment. And positive people will have higher viral loads, which will cause the disease to spread further. We went down this route during the 1980's. The GOP response then, as it is now, is to blame Gay people for being HIV+.

Yes, there are psychopaths out there (maybe a dozen out of millions of LGBT persons) that are out there infecting others. But the impact of criminalization is to make being HIV positive a crime. The key is to get everyone on Truvada and be done with it.

Trying to argue for criminalization in a world where it is legal (and supported by many Republicans) to fire someone for being LGBT, to deny them healthcare (as happened to my brother), to deny them equal access to government funded jobs, to deny equal access to public accommodations and housing is just going to be seen as an attempt by the GOP/Alt Right/Putinists to jail people for being Gay.

Why no focus on criminaliztion of people who knowingly pass on Hepititis? Oh that impacts straight white Christians.

The defense of criminalization statutes is just a back door by Robert Jeffress, Tony Perkins, and Mike Pence in their goal of criminalizingall LGBT persons in the USA, regardless of serostatus.

No person with HIV (nor any Gay person) has any reason to trust the Trump Administration. We have every reason to expect the worst from them. They are completely filled with people who wish to harm them. This administration has repeatedly lied about the scope of their actions against other minorities (e.g., were not targeting non-violent immigrants, etc..).

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Criminal prosecution of HIV positive persons will just cause the disease to spread faster.

Call me when they start throwing a bunch of white straight Christians in prison for spreading Hepatitis. I'd argue that chronic Hepititis is more deadly and disabling than HIV is today.

This post is the dumbest excuse for liberal logic I have every read on this board, and I have read some really stupid posts.

(07-23-2018 06:02 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I'm confused...so knowingly giving someone a disease that can kill them, isn't a crime? If I knowingly give someone poison, is that a crime? What is the difference?


This has nothing to do with criminalizing the LGBTQ community. It has everything to do with protecting the innocent.

Exactly, not sure why anyone would think otherwise. Giving someone a known killer disease is, IMO, the same as murder. It doesn't matter if that disease is AIDs of any other killer disease.