Just for fun let's see how good, or bad, the folks who evualate players on 24-7 are. List the ratings of your school's 1st & 2nd team preseason all SB players.

App
1st Team
Victor Johnson .794
Collin Reed .772
Clifton Duck .753
Anthony Flory .753
Jalin Moore .699

2nd Team
Tae Hayes .774
Myquon Stout .766

2nd Team O: OL Aaron Brewer .7690

2nd Team D: LB Bryan London .7582

Troy

First Team Offense
OL - Tristan Crowder (Troy, Junior) - 0.8058
OL - Deontae Crumitie (Troy, Senior) - 0.8115

First Team Defense
DL - Hunter Reese (Troy, Senior) - former walk-on
DL - Trevon Sanders (Troy, Senior) - 0.7642
LB - Tron Folsom (Troy, Junior) - 0.7642
DB - Blace Brown (Troy, Senior) - N/A

Second Team Offense
WR - Deondre Douglas (Troy, Senior) - 0.8315

Second Team Defense
DL - Marcus Webb (Troy, Junior) - 0.7716
DB - Marcus Jones (Troy, Sophomore) - 0.8022
DB - Cedarius Rookard (Troy, Senior) - 0.7857

ULM

1st Team:
WR/RS Marcus Green (0.7431)

2nd Team:
QB Caleb Evans (0.7675)
WR RJ Turner (0.7750)

Monquavion Brinson: 0.8471
Logan Hunt: 0.8346
Wesley Fields: 0.7996
Curtis Rainey: 0.7814
Ellis Richardson: Unrated (signed with Alabama State)
Tyler Bass: Unrated (kicker)

(07-21-2018 11:42 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Just for fun let's see how good, or bad, the folks who evualate players on 24-7 are. List the ratings of your school's 1st & 2nd team preseason all SB players.

App
1st Team
Victor Johnson .794
Collin Reed .772
Clifton Duck .753
Anthony Flory .753
Jalin Moore .699

2nd Team
Tae Hayes .774
Myquon Stout .766

This kind of reminds me of the morons who say rankings are weak because there are more three stars in the NFL than four and five combined. Those that have a basic knowledge of math and stats will understand.

(07-23-2018 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:42 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Just for fun let's see how good, or bad, the folks who evualate players on 24-7 are. List the ratings of your school's 1st & 2nd team preseason all SB players.

App
1st Team
Victor Johnson .794
Collin Reed .772
Clifton Duck .753
Anthony Flory .753
Jalin Moore .699

2nd Team
Tae Hayes .774
Myquon Stout .766

This kind of reminds me of the morons who say rankings are weak because there are more three stars in the NFL than four and five combined. Those that have a basic knowledge of math and stats will understand.

Knew I could depend on you to come in and bash the thread. The only morons are the guys who gave Jalin Moore a .699 rating. Yea I know he's an exception to the rule.

(07-23-2018 07:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:42 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Just for fun let's see how good, or bad, the folks who evualate players on 24-7 are. List the ratings of your school's 1st & 2nd team preseason all SB players.

App
1st Team
Victor Johnson .794
Collin Reed .772
Clifton Duck .753
Anthony Flory .753
Jalin Moore .699

2nd Team
Tae Hayes .774
Myquon Stout .766

This kind of reminds me of the morons who say rankings are weak because there are more three stars in the NFL than four and five combined. Those that have a basic knowledge of math and stats will understand.

Knew I could depend on you to come in and bash the thread. The only morons are the guys who gave Jalin Moore a .699 rating. Yea I know he's an exception to the rule.

Knew you would be the one to post something so like this just to showcase your lack of common sense and understanding of math. You are a fountain of LOL. I guess all the other coaches in the country are morons as well since they had a chance at him and did not offer either. Being a two star is not far from a low three, the Sun Belt signs mostly two and very low three stars. Of course third year players have a slightly better chance of making any list over a five star freshman as well how this common sense stuff escapes you is beyond me. I know when you attended App you likely majored in Finger and Toe countin' though so it is not surprising you do get basic stats.

(07-24-2018 01:06 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 07:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:42 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Just for fun let's see how good, or bad, the folks who evualate players on 24-7 are. List the ratings of your school's 1st & 2nd team preseason all SB players.

App
1st Team
Victor Johnson .794
Collin Reed .772
Clifton Duck .753
Anthony Flory .753
Jalin Moore .699

2nd Team
Tae Hayes .774
Myquon Stout .766

This kind of reminds me of the morons who say rankings are weak because there are more three stars in the NFL than four and five combined. Those that have a basic knowledge of math and stats will understand.

Knew I could depend on you to come in and bash the thread. The only morons are the guys who gave Jalin Moore a .699 rating. Yea I know he's an exception to the rule.

Knew you would be the one to post something so like this just to showcase your lack of common sense and understanding of math. You are a fountain of LOL. I guess all the other coaches in the country are morons as well since they had a chance at him and did not offer either. Being a two star is not far from a low three, the Sun Belt signs mostly two and very low three stars. Of course third year players have a slightly better chance of making any list over a five star freshman as well how this common sense stuff escapes you is beyond me. I know when you attended App you likely majored in Finger and Toe countin' though so it is not surprising you do get basic stats.

Of course, he was the SBC offensive player of the year as a sophomore, so I don't think the fact that he is a senior has anything to do with him making the list over a freshmen.

I do believe at our level, the star system carries much less significance because many of the folks we wind up recruiting go unnoticed by the services. We all like to sign the touted recruits but in the end it is the coaches that have to do the real evaluation of the talent. Like most in the Belt, our coaches go for the guys that fit what we need and really don't focus on the ratings. If that weren't the case we wouldn't offer as many folks who go unrated until after they commit (or even later). That reflects the majority of our '19 class to date.

https://247sports.com/college/appalachia...l/Commits/

(07-24-2018 01:48 PM)hapapp Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 01:06 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 07:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:42 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Just for fun let's see how good, or bad, the folks who evualate players on 24-7 are. List the ratings of your school's 1st & 2nd team preseason all SB players.

App
1st Team
Victor Johnson .794
Collin Reed .772
Clifton Duck .753
Anthony Flory .753
Jalin Moore .699

2nd Team
Tae Hayes .774
Myquon Stout .766

This kind of reminds me of the morons who say rankings are weak because there are more three stars in the NFL than four and five combined. Those that have a basic knowledge of math and stats will understand.

Knew I could depend on you to come in and bash the thread. The only morons are the guys who gave Jalin Moore a .699 rating. Yea I know he's an exception to the rule.

Knew you would be the one to post something so like this just to showcase your lack of common sense and understanding of math. You are a fountain of LOL. I guess all the other coaches in the country are morons as well since they had a chance at him and did not offer either. Being a two star is not far from a low three, the Sun Belt signs mostly two and very low three stars. Of course third year players have a slightly better chance of making any list over a five star freshman as well how this common sense stuff escapes you is beyond me. I know when you attended App you likely majored in Finger and Toe countin' though so it is not surprising you do get basic stats.

Of course, he was the SBC offensive player of the year as a sophomore, so I don't think the fact that he is a senior has anything to do with him making the list over a freshmen.

I do believe at our level, the star system carries much less significance because many of the folks we wind up recruiting go unnoticed by the services. We all like to sign the touted recruits but in the end it is the coaches that have to do the real evaluation of the talent. Like most in the Belt, our coaches go for the guys that fit what we need and really don't focus on the ratings. If that weren't the case we wouldn't offer as many folks who go unrated until after they commit (or even later). That reflects the majority of our '19 class to date.

https://247sports.com/college/appalachia...l/Commits/

Better watch out Happ old buddy! Using common sense and logic is setting yourself up to be mocked and ridiculed by the self annointed CSNbbs Recruiting Guru. No it doesn't matter you've been doing this longer than he's been alive.

(07-24-2018 01:06 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 07:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:42 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Just for fun let's see how good, or bad, the folks who evualate players on 24-7 are. List the ratings of your school's 1st & 2nd team preseason all SB players.

App
1st Team
Victor Johnson .794
Collin Reed .772
Clifton Duck .753
Anthony Flory .753
Jalin Moore .699

2nd Team
Tae Hayes .774
Myquon Stout .766

This kind of reminds me of the morons who say rankings are weak because there are more three stars in the NFL than four and five combined. Those that have a basic knowledge of math and stats will understand.

Knew I could depend on you to come in and bash the thread. The only morons are the guys who gave Jalin Moore a .699 rating. Yea I know he's an exception to the rule.

Knew you would be the one to post something so like this just to showcase your lack of common sense and understanding of math. You are a fountain of LOL. I guess all the other coaches in the country are morons as well since they had a chance at him and did not offer either. Being a two star is not far from a low three, the Sun Belt signs mostly two and very low three stars. Of course third year players have a slightly better chance of making any list over a five star freshman as well how this common sense stuff escapes you is beyond me. I know when you attended App you likely majored in Finger and Toe countin' though so it is not surprising you do get basic stats.

The most basic part of recruiting is has nothing to do with math. Talent isn't simply how big someone is, how fast they run, or how high they can jump. Someone can have numbers off the chart, but if there is no passion, commitment, dedication or desire all the numbers in the world mean nothing. That is the intangible no math formula can possibly measure.

(07-24-2018 01:48 PM)hapapp Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 01:06 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 07:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:42 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Just for fun let's see how good, or bad, the folks who evualate players on 24-7 are. List the ratings of your school's 1st & 2nd team preseason all SB players.

App
1st Team
Victor Johnson .794
Collin Reed .772
Clifton Duck .753
Anthony Flory .753
Jalin Moore .699

2nd Team
Tae Hayes .774
Myquon Stout .766

This kind of reminds me of the morons who say rankings are weak because there are more three stars in the NFL than four and five combined. Those that have a basic knowledge of math and stats will understand.

Knew I could depend on you to come in and bash the thread. The only morons are the guys who gave Jalin Moore a .699 rating. Yea I know he's an exception to the rule.

Knew you would be the one to post something so like this just to showcase your lack of common sense and understanding of math. You are a fountain of LOL. I guess all the other coaches in the country are morons as well since they had a chance at him and did not offer either. Being a two star is not far from a low three, the Sun Belt signs mostly two and very low three stars. Of course third year players have a slightly better chance of making any list over a five star freshman as well how this common sense stuff escapes you is beyond me. I know when you attended App you likely majored in Finger and Toe countin' though so it is not surprising you do get basic stats.

Of course, he was the SBC offensive player of the year as a sophomore, so I don't think the fact that he is a senior has anything to do with him making the list over a freshmen.

I do believe at our level, the star system carries much less significance because many of the folks we wind up recruiting go unnoticed by the services. We all like to sign the touted recruits but in the end it is the coaches that have to do the real evaluation of the talent. Like most in the Belt, our coaches go for the guys that fit what we need and really don't focus on the ratings. If that weren't the case we wouldn't offer as many folks who go unrated until after they commit (or even later). That reflects the majority of our '19 class to date.

https://247sports.com/college/appalachia...l/Commits/

247 has been ramping up coverage of G5 recruiting in recent years. Most players they don't get evaluated before signing they will after.

(07-24-2018 06:24 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 01:06 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 07:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:42 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Just for fun let's see how good, or bad, the folks who evualate players on 24-7 are. List the ratings of your school's 1st & 2nd team preseason all SB players.

App
1st Team
Victor Johnson .794
Collin Reed .772
Clifton Duck .753
Anthony Flory .753
Jalin Moore .699

2nd Team
Tae Hayes .774
Myquon Stout .766

This kind of reminds me of the morons who say rankings are weak because there are more three stars in the NFL than four and five combined. Those that have a basic knowledge of math and stats will understand.

Knew I could depend on you to come in and bash the thread. The only morons are the guys who gave Jalin Moore a .699 rating. Yea I know he's an exception to the rule.

Knew you would be the one to post something so like this just to showcase your lack of common sense and understanding of math. You are a fountain of LOL. I guess all the other coaches in the country are morons as well since they had a chance at him and did not offer either. Being a two star is not far from a low three, the Sun Belt signs mostly two and very low three stars. Of course third year players have a slightly better chance of making any list over a five star freshman as well how this common sense stuff escapes you is beyond me. I know when you attended App you likely majored in Finger and Toe countin' though so it is not surprising you do get basic stats.

The most basic part of recruiting is has nothing to do with math. Talent isn't simply how big someone is, how fast they run, or how high they can jump. Someone can have numbers off the chart, but if there is no passion, commitment, dedication or desire all the numbers in the world mean nothing. That is the intangible no math formula can possibly measure.

Wow. Didn't know this.

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(07-24-2018 01:48 PM)hapapp Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 01:06 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 07:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:42 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Just for fun let's see how good, or bad, the folks who evualate players on 24-7 are. List the ratings of your school's 1st & 2nd team preseason all SB players.

App
1st Team
Victor Johnson .794
Collin Reed .772
Clifton Duck .753
Anthony Flory .753
Jalin Moore .699

2nd Team
Tae Hayes .774
Myquon Stout .766

This kind of reminds me of the morons who say rankings are weak because there are more three stars in the NFL than four and five combined. Those that have a basic knowledge of math and stats will understand.

Knew I could depend on you to come in and bash the thread. The only morons are the guys who gave Jalin Moore a .699 rating. Yea I know he's an exception to the rule.

Knew you would be the one to post something so like this just to showcase your lack of common sense and understanding of math. You are a fountain of LOL. I guess all the other coaches in the country are morons as well since they had a chance at him and did not offer either. Being a two star is not far from a low three, the Sun Belt signs mostly two and very low three stars. Of course third year players have a slightly better chance of making any list over a five star freshman as well how this common sense stuff escapes you is beyond me. I know when you attended App you likely majored in Finger and Toe countin' though so it is not surprising you do get basic stats.

Of course, he was the SBC offensive player of the year as a sophomore, so I don't think the fact that he is a senior has anything to do with him making the list over a freshmen.

I do believe at our level, the star system carries much less significance because many of the folks we wind up recruiting go unnoticed by the services. We all like to sign the touted recruits but in the end it is the coaches that have to do the real evaluation of the talent. Like most in the Belt, our coaches go for the guys that fit what we need and really don't focus on the ratings. If that weren't the case we wouldn't offer as many folks who go unrated until after they commit (or even later). That reflects the majority of our '19 class to date.

https://247sports.com/college/appalachia...l/Commits/

Horsecrap as you have offers to high ranked guys as well. You have a good staff but they get who they can. Also being the 2nd place Sun Belt team also does not mean you are even an above average G5 team or even good. We were the lowest rated conference last year and you had exactly two wins in the regular season over teams with an above .500 regular season record and lost to UMASS and could not beat one of the weakest "P5" teams. So lets bring it back to reality a little. It is the Sun Belt most classes from top to bottom in the rankings are just a few players difference. It is rare the highest rated team is more than 20 spots higher than the lowest rated nationally which is the real measuring stick. Being first or fifth in the Belt could mean you were 90th and the 5th place team was 95th. GS has had one class that was significant nationally in 2016 since then we all have been pretty closely grouped together. We lead the Sun Belt last year and one player not signed could have dropped us four spots in the conference. If had landed the 70th ranked class and the second place Belt team was 90th then that would mean something.

Last years offers

https://247sports.com/college/appalachia...ll/Offers/

Quite easy to look up who App offered. If you are trying to push like old man river AppDG that App does not go after the EXACT same guys everyone else is get twitter or google.

2019 Offers
https://247sports.com/college/appalachia...ll/Offers/

App would have very happily taken the five QB's rated higher than the one you landed. App did not pass on them they passed on App.

Most kids are not evaled yet it is not just an App thing and never has been. Most lower tier G5's get less known kids so those kids usually have zero meaningful tape or camp data yet. The App staff does not have some magic formula of finding kids none of the 160+ FBS and 160+ FCS staff cant seemed to eval right. It is just dumb and these are the things schools that cant land the higher kids they offer say.

(07-24-2018 06:24 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 01:06 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 07:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 02:47 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:42 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Just for fun let's see how good, or bad, the folks who evualate players on 24-7 are. List the ratings of your school's 1st & 2nd team preseason all SB players.

App
1st Team
Victor Johnson .794
Collin Reed .772
Clifton Duck .753
Anthony Flory .753
Jalin Moore .699

2nd Team
Tae Hayes .774
Myquon Stout .766

This kind of reminds me of the morons who say rankings are weak because there are more three stars in the NFL than four and five combined. Those that have a basic knowledge of math and stats will understand.

Knew I could depend on you to come in and bash the thread. The only morons are the guys who gave Jalin Moore a .699 rating. Yea I know he's an exception to the rule.

Knew you would be the one to post something so like this just to showcase your lack of common sense and understanding of math. You are a fountain of LOL. I guess all the other coaches in the country are morons as well since they had a chance at him and did not offer either. Being a two star is not far from a low three, the Sun Belt signs mostly two and very low three stars. Of course third year players have a slightly better chance of making any list over a five star freshman as well how this common sense stuff escapes you is beyond me. I know when you attended App you likely majored in Finger and Toe countin' though so it is not surprising you do get basic stats.

The most basic part of recruiting is has nothing to do with math. Talent isn't simply how big someone is, how fast they run, or how high they can jump. Someone can have numbers off the chart, but if there is no passion, commitment, dedication or desire all the numbers in the world mean nothing. That is the intangible no math formula can possibly measure.

You can not be this dumb, this has to be a parody account. Funny how being able to run a sub 4.4, being ripped, a cannon arm and or being 6'3"+ etc etc seems to get most FBS coaches to think you have a ton of desire and passion and lands you in the NFL 600 times higher rate than just having desire and passion being 5'9", slow and chubby. Love seeing all those 4.9 guys engage their passion and desire powers and out run those 4.4 LB's and DB's all the time.... There are just as many guys that can run, jump and are big that have just as much passion as small, slow guys. AL gets the bigs ones we get the smaller ones.

App has done well of late in the Belt but lets not act like you have beaten anyone of note.

2014 one FBS win over a winning team out of 11 Sun Belt
2015 two FBS wins over a winning team out of 11 Sun Belt and MAC
2016 three FBS wins over a winning team out of 12 CUSA, Sun Belt and MAC
2017 three FBS wins over a winning team out of 11 Sun Belt, Sun Belt and MAC

Basically beating horrible Belt teams, FCS teams and teams out of the other two lowest rated G5's and yes GS the last two years has been one of those horrible Belt teams.

APP always seems to have the lowest rated players doing well. It's a testament to their coaching.

(07-25-2018 09:03 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  APP always seems to have the lowest rated players doing well. It's a testament to their coaching.

No they dont.

2014 #1
2015 #7
2016 #6
2017 #6
2018 #6

Pretty sure we have had more than six teams since App joined the Belt.

The difference between 6 and 1 most years is maybe two or three players in the Belt typically. Outside of the worst teams we are all pretty close in recruiting year to year. I think there have been maybe three or four classes in Belt history that were significantly higher nationally rated than the pack. Yes they have a great HC and have had a great staff but beginning to be poached like all successfull G5's. I think Satt is the man that runs things though so they should be fine as long as he is there and continue to beat below average FBS teams mainly.

(07-25-2018 09:39 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 09:03 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  APP always seems to have the lowest rated players doing well. It's a testament to their coaching.

No they dont.

2014 #1
2015 #7
2016 #6
2017 #6
2018 #6

Pretty sure we have had more than six teams since App joined the Belt.

The difference between 6 and 1 most years is maybe two or three players in the Belt typically. Outside of the worst teams we are all pretty close in recruiting year to year. I think there have been maybe three or four classes in Belt history that were significantly higher nationally rated than the pack. Yes they have a great HC and have had a great staff but beginning to be poached like all successfull G5's. I think Satt is the man that runs things though so they should be fine as long as he is there and continue to beat below average FBS teams mainly.

You just like to argue. If you look statistically, they are the only team in the SBC that consistently outperforms their recruiting rankings. Typically, middle of the pack recruiting on 247 has meant middle of the pack results on the field. There are some outliers here and there. Georgia State and Idaho have outperformed at times, and Texas State has underperformed. That said, APP has typically been in the title hunt despite having middle of the pack recruiting per 247. They are the ones consistently defying what 247 has to say about their talent.

The 247 ratings are definitely not the end all be all by any means, and I don't really feel like having that long drawn out discussion for the 13th time, so that's all I'll say on that.

This might just end up being a rambling, tl;dr post that no one will read but I'll give it a try:

Every player comes with a floor and ceiling. It's impossible to know exactly how they'll play once they get to the college game. A guy that's rated higher on 247 most likely has a higher floor and ceiling than one that isn't rated as high. The question is how much overlap is there in a floor or ceiling of 0.77 guys, 0.80 guys, and 0.83 guys?

Example: Our coaches released a depth chart at the end of spring practice. Of the 10 guys on our roster with an 0.83 or more 247 rating, 4 are projected first-string and 8 are on the two-deep. Those guys were obviously more likely to make the 2-deep for 1st string than all of the other players.

Statistically there is a real difference, but the question is how big of a practical difference is it? Would it be worth finding a coach who could bring in a few extra high-3-stars a year to sacrifice someone who can scout the 0.77 and 0.80 rated guys and make them fit the system?

If I counted right (not including 2018 signees), GS has 10 guys with 0.83+ ratings on the roster, Ark State has 6, South Alabama 6, Troy and App have 2. How much will that translate to a overall talent advantage on the field? Unfortunately for us, even with a competent coach I don't think it'll be all that big.

(07-25-2018 10:26 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 09:39 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 09:03 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  APP always seems to have the lowest rated players doing well. It's a testament to their coaching.

No they dont.

2014 #1
2015 #7
2016 #6
2017 #6
2018 #6

Pretty sure we have had more than six teams since App joined the Belt.

The difference between 6 and 1 most years is maybe two or three players in the Belt typically. Outside of the worst teams we are all pretty close in recruiting year to year. I think there have been maybe three or four classes in Belt history that were significantly higher nationally rated than the pack. Yes they have a great HC and have had a great staff but beginning to be poached like all successfull G5's. I think Satt is the man that runs things though so they should be fine as long as he is there and continue to beat below average FBS teams mainly.

You just like to argue. If you look statistically, they are the only team in the SBC that consistently outperforms their recruiting rankings. Typically, middle of the pack recruiting on 247 has meant middle of the pack results on the field. There are some outliers here and there. Georgia State and Idaho have outperformed at times, and Texas State has underperformed. That said, APP has typically been in the title hunt despite having middle of the pack recruiting per 247. They are the ones consistently defying what 247 has to say about their talent.

The 247 ratings are definitely not the end all be all by any means, and I don't really feel like having that long drawn out discussion for the 13th time, so that's all I'll say on that.

Thanks Forrest,

You say something false I correct it and that is arguing? You said lowest now it is middle pack. Be careful back peddling so fast and I also said and if you took two seconds to look the difference between mid pack Belt and one not significant. Between one and 11 then that would be something but that is not what App is and you falsely stated.

Also being consistent at 6th does not mean they have mid pack talent. I know this is hard to understand for guys like you and old man river AppManDumbGoof but if other teams are bouncing above and below 6th which everyone but ArkSt has then they could have top two talent. Lets do some simple math, if App has back to back 6th ranked classes and UL has a 4th best class then has the 8th best class who has the better two year recruiting results all other things being equal in terms of conference finish? You falsely assume all other teams stay the same year to year which could not be further from the truth when it comes to Belt recruiting. There is not a huge difference nationally we are at the bottom of the ratings being 90th vs 96th in the country is not huge. App has done slightly better than there overall roster talent would indicate but I laid out who they have beaten which is nobody of significance.