(06-28-2018 03:40 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: I've made it as well... over the vehement objections of a few posters on here
You're not the only one. You are almost certainly far more knowledgeable about the subject than most. But a bunch of us have made the same point repeatedly.
(06-28-2018 03:40 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: I've made it as well... over the vehement objections of a few posters on here
You're not the only one. You are almost certainly far more knowledgeable about the subject than most. But a bunch of us have made the same point repeatedly.
to infinity and beyond....
one couldn't have developed a shiTTTier game plan.....
waking up to bizzarro world is a head scratcher w/o the pen and paper.....
#henceDJT
it's going to be interesting after the midterms how this one is addressed......eliminating the penalty was a big move/low hanging fruit out of the gate
(This post was last modified: 06-28-2018 08:13 PM by stinkfist.)
Overall, it’s worth pointing out that ObamaCare was never really intended to “work” in and of itself. It was, instead, meant to put us on a glide-path to Single Payer. ObamaCare was merely to be the layover until SP was ready.
Remember, also, that the statutory details of ObamaCare were supposed to be worked out in conference (House negotiating with Senate) after both chambers passed their own bills. The House, working on a bill introduced by Charles Rangel, passed their version in November 2009 on a 220-215 vote.
In the Senate, Harry Reid had a 60-40 Democrat majority. Enough to squelch any GOP filibusters, but he could afford no defections. The Senate passed their version on Christmas Eve with exactly 60 votes. Media-comment at the time, even from pro-Obama and pro-Democrat analysts, was virtually unanimous that the Senate bill was a true piece of legislative sh¡t that had been passed purely for the purpose of getting to conference, where the real bill would be written. The conference would hammer out *something*, then the House and Senate would both vote on the same thing.
But a funny thing happened on the way to the forum. The Dems dropped a special election in Massachusetts (!) and suddenly the Dems held the Senate 59-41. The GOP was unanimous in opposition, with the result that the House would now be forced to (if it could) pass the Senate version, or else everybody would go home empty-handed.
Say what you will about Nancy Pelosi, but under enormous pressure she made it happen. The House passed the Senate bill on 21st March 2010. The vote was 219-212 and was in doubt until the day the roll was called. Obama immediately (23rd March) signed it into law. The whole steaming pile was then dropped into the lap of HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, along with a mandate to somehow figure out a way to make it “work”.
And here we are, more than 8 years later. How’s it working out for you?
(06-28-2018 09:05 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Overall, it’s worth pointing out that ObamaCare was never really intended to “work” in and of itself. It was, instead, meant to put us on a glide-path to Single Payer. ObamaCare was merely to be the layover until SP was ready.
Remember, also, that the statutory details of ObamaCare were supposed to be worked out in conference (House negotiating with Senate) after both chambers passed their own bills. The House, working on a bill introduced by Charles Rangel, passed their version in November 2009 on a 220-215 vote.
In the Senate, Harry Reid had a 60-40 Democrat majority. Enough to squelch any GOP filibusters, but he could afford no defections. The Senate passed their version on Christmas Eve with exactly 60 votes. Media-comment at the time, even from pro-Obama and pro-Democrat analysts, was virtually unanimous that the Senate bill was a true piece of legislative sh¡t that had been passed purely for the purpose of getting to conference, where the real bill would be written. The conference would hammer out *something*, then the House and Senate would both vote on the same thing.
But a funny thing happened on the way to the forum. The Dems dropped a special election in Massachusetts (!) and suddenly the Dems held the Senate 59-41. The GOP was unanimous in opposition, with the result that the House would now be forced to (if it could) pass the Senate version, or else everybody would go home empty-handed.
Say what you will about Nancy Pelosi, but under enormous pressure she made it happen. The House passed the Senate bill on 21st March 2010. The vote was 219-212 and was in doubt until the day the roll was called. Obama immediately (23rd March) signed it into law. The whole steaming pile was then dropped into the lap of HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, along with a mandate to somehow figure out a way to make it “work”.
And here we are, more than 8 years later. How’s it working out for you?
the bottom line is the above became the working class got a dick shoved up their arse w/o permission......fk the semantics....
(06-28-2018 09:05 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Overall, it’s worth pointing out that ObamaCare was never really intended to “work” in and of itself. It was, instead, meant to put us on a glide-path to Single Payer. ObamaCare was merely to be the layover until SP was ready.
Remember, also, that the statutory details of ObamaCare were supposed to be worked out in conference (House negotiating with Senate) after both chambers passed their own bills. The House, working on a bill introduced by Charles Rangel, passed their version in November 2009 on a 220-215 vote.
In the Senate, Harry Reid had a 60-40 Democrat majority. Enough to squelch any GOP filibusters, but he could afford no defections. The Senate passed their version on Christmas Eve with exactly 60 votes. Media-comment at the time, even from pro-Obama and pro-Democrat analysts, was virtually unanimous that the Senate bill was a true piece of legislative sh¡t that had been passed purely for the purpose of getting to conference, where the real bill would be written. The conference would hammer out *something*, then the House and Senate would both vote on the same thing.
But a funny thing happened on the way to the forum. The Dems dropped a special election in Massachusetts (!) and suddenly the Dems held the Senate 59-41. The GOP was unanimous in opposition, with the result that the House would now be forced to (if it could) pass the Senate version, or else everybody would go home empty-handed.
Say what you will about Nancy Pelosi, but under enormous pressure she made it happen. The House passed the Senate bill on 21st March 2010. The vote was 219-212 and was in doubt until the day the roll was called. Obama immediately (23rd March) signed it into law. The whole steaming pile was then dropped into the lap of HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, along with a mandate to somehow figure out a way to make it “work”.
And here we are, more than 8 years later. How’s it working out for you?
That Massachusetts special election was one of the most important elections in modern history in terms of its legislative impact. Had the Dem's won Obamacare would be completely different. Instead they threw on some duck tape and kicked the bill's carcass across the line
(06-28-2018 09:05 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Overall, it’s worth pointing out that ObamaCare was never really intended to “work” in and of itself. It was, instead, meant to put us on a glide-path to Single Payer. ObamaCare was merely to be the layover until SP was ready.
Remember, also, that the statutory details of ObamaCare were supposed to be worked out in conference (House negotiating with Senate) after both chambers passed their own bills. The House, working on a bill introduced by Charles Rangel, passed their version in November 2009 on a 220-215 vote.
In the Senate, Harry Reid had a 60-40 Democrat majority. Enough to squelch any GOP filibusters, but he could afford no defections. The Senate passed their version on Christmas Eve with exactly 60 votes. Media-comment at the time, even from pro-Obama and pro-Democrat analysts, was virtually unanimous that the Senate bill was a true piece of legislative sh¡t that had been passed purely for the purpose of getting to conference, where the real bill would be written. The conference would hammer out *something*, then the House and Senate would both vote on the same thing.
But a funny thing happened on the way to the forum. The Dems dropped a special election in Massachusetts (!) and suddenly the Dems held the Senate 59-41. The GOP was unanimous in opposition, with the result that the House would now be forced to (if it could) pass the Senate version, or else everybody would go home empty-handed.
Say what you will about Nancy Pelosi, but under enormous pressure she made it happen. The House passed the Senate bill on 21st March 2010. The vote was 219-212 and was in doubt until the day the roll was called. Obama immediately (23rd March) signed it into law. The whole steaming pile was then dropped into the lap of HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, along with a mandate to somehow figure out a way to make it “work”.
And here we are, more than 8 years later. How’s it working out for you?
I honestly can’t even get into it.
If someone wants to tell me how I’m/we’re better off with one “choice” of companies in the entire State, and a monthly premium for a comparable plan that’s over $2600.00 per month for high deductible, crap coverage then please, I’m all ears.
But I get free Pap smears and my wife of 24 years free birth control pills, so we’ve got that going for us.
(06-28-2018 03:40 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: I've made it as well... over the vehement objections of a few posters on here
You're not the only one. You are almost certainly far more knowledgeable about the subject than most. But a bunch of us have made the same point repeatedly.
very true...
TV was on this morning as I was getting dressed and it was an old Dr Phil... and I don't know the issue, but a mom and her DIL were at odds... Dr Phil said, so you want a relationship with your son and granddaughter, but your DIL is an obstacle... and your solution is to complain to your son about his wife? That's precisely what I'd tell you to do if you wanted to ALIENATE your son and granddaughter... attack their wife/mother.
That's essentially what I said about the ACA. If 'this' is what you wanted, 'the ACA' is not how you'd do it
(06-28-2018 09:05 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Overall, it’s worth pointing out that ObamaCare was never really intended to “work” in and of itself. It was, instead, meant to put us on a glide-path to Single Payer. ObamaCare was merely to be the layover until SP was ready.
Remember, also, that the statutory details of ObamaCare were supposed to be worked out in conference (House negotiating with Senate) after both chambers passed their own bills. The House, working on a bill introduced by Charles Rangel, passed their version in November 2009 on a 220-215 vote.
In the Senate, Harry Reid had a 60-40 Democrat majority. Enough to squelch any GOP filibusters, but he could afford no defections. The Senate passed their version on Christmas Eve with exactly 60 votes. Media-comment at the time, even from pro-Obama and pro-Democrat analysts, was virtually unanimous that the Senate bill was a true piece of legislative sh¡t that had been passed purely for the purpose of getting to conference, where the real bill would be written. The conference would hammer out *something*, then the House and Senate would both vote on the same thing.
But a funny thing happened on the way to the forum. The Dems dropped a special election in Massachusetts (!) and suddenly the Dems held the Senate 59-41. The GOP was unanimous in opposition, with the result that the House would now be forced to (if it could) pass the Senate version, or else everybody would go home empty-handed.
Say what you will about Nancy Pelosi, but under enormous pressure she made it happen. The House passed the Senate bill on 21st March 2010. The vote was 219-212 and was in doubt until the day the roll was called. Obama immediately (23rd March) signed it into law. The whole steaming pile was then dropped into the lap of HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, along with a mandate to somehow figure out a way to make it “work”.
And here we are, more than 8 years later. How’s it working out for you?
I honestly can’t even get into it.
If someone wants to tell me how I’m/we’re better off with one “choice” of companies in the entire State, and a monthly premium for a comparable plan that’s over $2600.00 per month for high deductible, crap coverage then please, I’m all ears.
But I get free Pap smears and my wife of 24 years free birth control pills, so we’ve got that going for us.
