http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/06/27/...orces.html

Quote:Whoever wins Sunday's presidential election will have to face not only Mexico's drug cartels, but a new kind of crime involving whole neighborhoods defying police and military personnel.

It was on display in the Jalisco state town of Ciudad Guzman — a stronghold of the Jalisco New Generation cartel — in early June, when a crowd of men and women gathered around two pickups carrying armed Mexican marines.

They taunted the troops, throwing rocks and water bottles at them and kicking one repeatedly as he was helped away by two comrades.

Purportedly protesting a young man's disappearance, the crowd later spray-painted the cartel's initials on a bashed-up marine vehicle.

Such "socialized" or "mass" crimes are spreading in Mexico as entire communities empty freight trains of merchandise or steal hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel from pipelines.

Quote:In May, armed men broke the locks on two supermarkets in the southern city of Arcelia in Guerrero state and allowed local residents in to loot them. Police didn't show up for hours.

Guerrero security spokesman Roberto Alvarez said the stores' owners had refused extortion demands from a local splinter of La Familia cartel and the looting was punishment for not paying.

Meanwhile, an average of 42 illegal taps are being drilled into pipelines across Mexico every day and transporting, storing and selling the stolen fuel often represents a major source of employment in some rural communities.

Quote:Political scientist Jesus Silva Herzog compares it to the emergence of piracy in Somalia, where the central government doesn't have control over much of the country.

"This is the type of scene you see in failed states, where you don't just have organized crime, but you have an organized criminal population with an extensive social base," Silva Herzog said.

Buscaglia said such mass crimes occur in parts of Nigeria and Afghanistan, but are absent in places where there are "social controls" such as councils of elders in Afghanistan.

"Mexico doesn't have social control mechanisms except in some very defined (indigenous) ethnic communities ... so Mexico is, unfortunately, in the worst of both worlds," he said.

Quote:In one incident witnessed by The Associated Press last year in the central state of Puebla, police pointed out locals acting as lookouts — posing as farmers or gazing from a highway overpass — as people in dozens of pickups filled plastic tanks with fuel pilfered from a gas pipeline running through a cornfield.

Police stood just 100 yards away, holding off on intervening until soldiers could provide backup. But the army — stung by a previous encounter where troops were ambushed by townspeople — didn't arrive.

Quote:Untrained and unwilling to take on civilians, the military often just stands by. When it does intervene, sometimes rights abuses result.

On March 25, marines were ambushed three times as they left their base to patrol in the border city of Nuevo Laredo, attacks that killed one marine and wounded several.

A marine helicopter called in for support fired from the air and hit a civilian family's car, killing a woman and two of her children. In the weeks around that attack, complaints were filed about 28 people who went missing in Nuevo Laredo, some allegedly hauled off by marines.

Mexico for now is a weird dichotomy. Some areas you can walk around and it’s like being in a middle-class suburb of Phoenix or San Antonio. Other places is like a combination of Mogadishu and a Mad Max sequel.

Much of Mexico I hear looks like something out of Beyond Thunderdome.

They can't even keep Acapulco or Cozumel safe. Those are their tourist areas.

(06-27-2018 07:02 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Much of Mexico I hear looks like something out of Beyond Thunderdome.

(06-27-2018 07:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  They can't even keep Acapulco or Cozumel safe. Those are their tourist areas.

I hope so. We are headed to playa late next week for several days.

If you don't see me posting after next week....

shtt hole

Mexico has always failed to flourish for one reason or another.

The collective American guilt over the Mexican-American war is overblown. Mexico was a poor excuse for a country before the war as after it.

Something that the liberals are correct on is that Mexico is out problem and that too harsh of a response will make the situation in Mexico worse and thus worse for us on our border.

That isn't to say we shouldn't take strong measures at this point in time however as we simply cannot allow things to continue as they have for the past 40 years. At the same time Mexico's failed economy is not an excuse for American cultural suicide.

20 years ago I went to Cancun for senior trip with a bookbag and $100 to last a week. From what I remember (4 or 5 of the 7 days) I had a blast and never felt the least bit unsafe, even when venturing away from the beach resorts. Going now would be like

(06-27-2018 08:05 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Mexico has always failed to flourish for one reason or another.

The collective American guilt over the Mexican-American war is overblown. Mexico was a poor excuse for a country before the war as after it.

Something that the liberals are correct on is that Mexico is out problem and that too harsh of a response will make the situation in Mexico worse and thus worse for us on our border.

That isn't to say we shouldn't take strong measures at this point in time however as we simply cannot allow things to continue as they have for the past 40 years. At the same time Mexico's failed economy is not an excuse for American cultural suicide.

I don’t think Mexico is our problem. Our country is our problem. The worse Mexico gets, the more Trumps Wall sounds like a darn good idea. Unless you want large areas of open lawlessness in America—-then we probably don’t want to admit large numbers of immigrants who think that’s the way things are or should be.

(06-27-2018 08:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  20 years ago I went to Cancun for senior trip with a bookbag and $100 to last a week. From what I remember (4 or 5 of the 7 days) I had a blast and never felt the least bit unsafe, even when venturing away from the beach resorts. Going now would be like

We went a couple years ago and it was fine. We just stayed at the all inclusive resort.

Hopefully we don't have any issues this time. Some friends of ours went to this resort in April and convinced us to go back with them next week. They said it was all safe.

(06-27-2018 09:20 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 08:05 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Mexico has always failed to flourish for one reason or another.

The collective American guilt over the Mexican-American war is overblown. Mexico was a poor excuse for a country before the war as after it.

Something that the liberals are correct on is that Mexico is out problem and that too harsh of a response will make the situation in Mexico worse and thus worse for us on our border.

That isn't to say we shouldn't take strong measures at this point in time however as we simply cannot allow things to continue as they have for the past 40 years. At the same time Mexico's failed economy is not an excuse for American cultural suicide.

I don’t think Mexico is our problem. Our country is our problem. The worse Mexico gets, the more Trumps Wall sounds like a darn good idea. Unless you want large areas of open lawlessness in America—-then we prbabk6 don’t want to admit large numbers of immigrants who think that’s the way things are or should be.

Ignoring Mexican problems just isn't realistic.

We have to deal with the reality of the situation since it is already having such a massive impact on us.

If things collapsed south of the border it would be very difficult to prevent many more millions of them crossing into our country illegally and creating all kinds of problems.

Now, working to address some Mexican problems doesn't mean we should have an open border. We are not the Mexican welfare program.

(06-27-2018 09:36 AM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 08:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  20 years ago I went to Cancun for senior trip with a bookbag and $100 to last a week. From what I remember (4 or 5 of the 7 days) I had a blast and never felt the least bit unsafe, even when venturing away from the beach resorts. Going now would be like

We went a couple years ago and it was fine. We just stayed at the all inclusive resort.

Hopefully we don't have any issues this time. Some friends of ours went to this resort in April and convinced us to go back with them next week. They said it was all safe.

Good luck and safe travels. I wasn't at one of the resorts and spent plenty of time wandering around on their buses and taxis, not to mention walking about quite a bit past inebriated at all hours of the night.

There were 12 of us that went, 6 girls and 6 guys. Only rule we had was at least one guy went with each (individual or group) of girls. Wasn't tough since most of us were/had dated at least one other person in the group at some time in the past.

It was definitely interesting who you woke up next to in the morning. We had 3 rooms with 2 double beds each for 12 people. Woke up one morning between 2 ex-girlfriends. First thing I did was look under the covers to see if we were wearing clothes, unfortunately we all were.

(06-27-2018 09:39 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 09:20 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 08:05 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Mexico has always failed to flourish for one reason or another.

The collective American guilt over the Mexican-American war is overblown. Mexico was a poor excuse for a country before the war as after it.

Something that the liberals are correct on is that Mexico is out problem and that too harsh of a response will make the situation in Mexico worse and thus worse for us on our border.

That isn't to say we shouldn't take strong measures at this point in time however as we simply cannot allow things to continue as they have for the past 40 years. At the same time Mexico's failed economy is not an excuse for American cultural suicide.

I don’t think Mexico is our problem. Our country is our problem. The worse Mexico gets, the more Trumps Wall sounds like a darn good idea. Unless you want large areas of open lawlessness in America—-then we prbabk6 don’t want to admit large numbers of immigrants who think that’s the way things are or should be.

Ignoring Mexican problems just isn't realistic.

We have to deal with the reality of the situation since it is already having such a massive impact on us.

If things collapsed south of the border it would be very difficult to prevent many more millions of them crossing into our country illegally and creating all kinds of problems.

Now, working to address some Mexican problems doesn't mean we should have an open border. We are not the Mexican welfare program.

What Im suggesting is its not our problem to solve. Im not really saying to ignore it---Im saying we address it by making sure it does not cross our border. Thats another nation. Frankly, we dont have the necessary mind set to solve thier problem even if we wanted to interfere with thier internal affairs. They are becoming Iraq or Sudan. The only way to solve their problem is with a brutal dictatorship who rules with the kind of Saddam Hussein iron hand that creates more fear than the cartels engender. We get rubber kneed at separating a few thousand families at the border. We arent even remotely ready to do what is necessary to rid Mexico of the cartel issue---and neither are most of the Mexican people.

(06-27-2018 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 09:39 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 09:20 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 08:05 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Mexico has always failed to flourish for one reason or another.

The collective American guilt over the Mexican-American war is overblown. Mexico was a poor excuse for a country before the war as after it.

Something that the liberals are correct on is that Mexico is out problem and that too harsh of a response will make the situation in Mexico worse and thus worse for us on our border.

That isn't to say we shouldn't take strong measures at this point in time however as we simply cannot allow things to continue as they have for the past 40 years. At the same time Mexico's failed economy is not an excuse for American cultural suicide.

I don’t think Mexico is our problem. Our country is our problem. The worse Mexico gets, the more Trumps Wall sounds like a darn good idea. Unless you want large areas of open lawlessness in America—-then we prbabk6 don’t want to admit large numbers of immigrants who think that’s the way things are or should be.

Ignoring Mexican problems just isn't realistic.

We have to deal with the reality of the situation since it is already having such a massive impact on us.

If things collapsed south of the border it would be very difficult to prevent many more millions of them crossing into our country illegally and creating all kinds of problems.

Now, working to address some Mexican problems doesn't mean we should have an open border. We are not the Mexican welfare program.

What Im suggesting is its not our problem to solve. Im not really saying to ignore it---Im saying we address it by making sure it does not cross our border. Thats another nation. Frankly, we dont have the necessary mind set to solve thier problem even if we wanted to interfere with thier internal affairs. They are becoming Iraq or Sudan. The only way to solve their problem is with a brutal dictatorship who rules with the kind of Saddam Hussein iron hand that creates more fear than the cartels engender. We get rubber kneed at separating a few thousand families at the border. We arent even remotely ready to do what is necessary to rid Mexico of the cartel issue---and neither are most of the Mexican people.

Time for a zero tolerance illegal immigration policy and demand UN action on behalf of Mexico.

(06-27-2018 08:05 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Mexico has always failed to flourish for one reason or another.

The collective American guilt over the Mexican-American war is overblown. Mexico was a poor excuse for a country before the war as after it.

Something that the liberals are correct on is that Mexico is out problem and that too harsh of a response will make the situation in Mexico worse and thus worse for us on our border.

That isn't to say we shouldn't take strong measures at this point in time however as we simply cannot allow things to continue as they have for the past 40 years. At the same time Mexico's failed economy is not an excuse for American cultural suicide.

That’s long been the only problem with Ol Mejico,

Too many Mexicans live there.




Other than that it’s as beautiful an area and location as could be imagined.

Sad.

https://www.dw.com/en/mexico-election-ca...a-44425931

Quote:Political violence has cast a bloody shadow over the Mexican election campaign. Since last fall, 130 politicians and candidates have been killed, but experts doubt that the violence will end after Sunday's vote.

Quote:On Sunday, July 1, Mexico will elect a successor for President Enrique Pena Nieto. At the same time, Mexicans will vote at the federal, regional and local level. The wave of political violence sweeping the country is hitting local candidates the hardest.

Edgar Cortez, a researcher at the Mexican Institute for Human Rights and Democracy, explains that organized crime has the greatest influence at the local level. While federal and state institutions are pretty stable and mature, the researcher explains, some regions are still dominated by "caciquismo," an oligarchic clientele system that sees individuals or families in control of politics, administration and the economy.

"Unfortunately, many of these local oligarchic structures have turned into criminal gangs that finance themselves through the drug trade and trafficking," Cortez told DW.

Local officials and police are a part of these structures and wouldn't give up their power easily, he added.

Quote:Since the election campaign started last September, 130 politicians and candidates across the country have been murdered, reports Etellekt, Mexico's consulting institute for politics and security, which monitors these cases. That comes to an average of one murder every three days. To put this into perspective, "only" nine murders took place during Mexico's last presidential campaign in 2012.

The extreme level of violence is visible not only in the number of murders, but also in the more than 500 non-fatal attacks that have been registered by Etellekt. According to the institute's director, Ruben Salazar, 75 percent of these attacks were directed at members of the opposition.

"These acts of violence are used as a means of campaigning," Salazar told DW. "Many of the races aren't decided at the polling stations, but before that, through threats, intimidation, armed violence and so on."

(06-27-2018 09:39 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 09:20 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 08:05 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Mexico has always failed to flourish for one reason or another.

The collective American guilt over the Mexican-American war is overblown. Mexico was a poor excuse for a country before the war as after it.

Something that the liberals are correct on is that Mexico is out problem and that too harsh of a response will make the situation in Mexico worse and thus worse for us on our border.

That isn't to say we shouldn't take strong measures at this point in time however as we simply cannot allow things to continue as they have for the past 40 years. At the same time Mexico's failed economy is not an excuse for American cultural suicide.

I don’t think Mexico is our problem. Our country is our problem. The worse Mexico gets, the more Trumps Wall sounds like a darn good idea. Unless you want large areas of open lawlessness in America—-then we prbabk6 don’t want to admit large numbers of immigrants who think that’s the way things are or should be.

Ignoring Mexican problems just isn't realistic.

We have to deal with the reality of the situation since it is already having such a massive impact on us.

It's having an impact because of our porous southern border. That's why we need to build a substantial wall.

If things collapsed south of the border it would be very difficult to prevent many more millions of them crossing into our country illegally and creating all kinds of problems.

Once again that is why we need to build a substantial wall across the southern border, and patrol it with Border Patrol agents backed by local and state law enforcement agencies as required.

Now, working to address some Mexican problems doesn't mean we should have an open border. We are not the Mexican welfare program.

Once again, an argument for the need of a substantial southern border wall with adequate Border Patrol agents.

The drug cartels are becoming the Isis equivalent in Mexico. A total war will ensue unless corruption and lawlessness is eliminated. You can't fight the government when the same government is in the pockets of the cartels. It was happening in the US too with Oblunder and it would have continued with Killery. The FBIs corruption is a good example. You can't fight corruption if the Sheriff is corrupt. Whomever holds the badge is the winner and it's always been that way.

By God's grace we elected someone who wasn't corrupt and looked for the better of our country even though the Libturds don't want to believe that.