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(06-24-2018 08:38 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:35 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Need to raise the retirement age. Painless fix, and makes sense as people are living much longer now than when it was implemented.

I agree, and I also think the idea of retirement is much different too. Retiring at 65 ? Are you kidding me ? Mick Jagger is still rocking and rolling and he's at least 65.

When you are 65 you still have a good 20 years of viability left in the work force. Raise retirement to 75, IMO.

As for me, I'll work till the day I day - whether that is 85, 105, or 45.


At 45 I was a "rising star" for a big bank, that also set their retirement rule at age plus service of 60 you get full retirement, meaningless since there was no pension. Thanks to the banking crisis, at age 48, I was "retired". I spent a year freelancing as a consultant (good pay zero benefits) before I got another job. I figured I would be safe at the new company, but after surviving a couple of rounds of layoffs, I seriously doubt I'll be working there more than 6 or 7 years, at that point who will hire a 62 year old? My advice, look around your company, how many 60 year old's are working there.
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For what it's worth, I plan to live to be 100, then die at the hands of a jealous lover.
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(06-24-2018 09:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:38 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:35 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Need to raise the retirement age. Painless fix, and makes sense as people are living much longer now than when it was implemented.

I agree, and I also think the idea of retirement is much different too. Retiring at 65 ? Are you kidding me ? Mick Jagger is still rocking and rolling and he's at least 65.

When you are 65 you still have a good 20 years of viability left in the work force. Raise retirement to 75, IMO.

As for me, I'll work till the day I day - whether that is 85, 105, or 45.


At 45 I was a "rising star" for a big bank, that also set their retirement rule at age plus service of 60 you get full retirement, meaningless since there was no pension. Thanks to the banking crisis, at age 48, I was "retired". I spent a year freelancing as a consultant (good pay zero benefits) before I got another job. I figured I would be safe at the new company, but after surviving a couple of rounds of layoffs, I seriously doubt I'll be working there more than 6 or 7 years, at that point who will hire a 62 year old? My advice, look around your company, how many 60 year old's are working there.

you basically defined what I watched happen as corpshite 'murica starting scavenging.....

it's why I left and why I do what I do today.....

pops got lucky 20 yrs ago......and I had to hold his hand as he cried telling him it would "be okay".....yeah......now you guys know something else about me.....
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(06-24-2018 09:00 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
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(06-24-2018 08:38 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:35 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Need to raise the retirement age. Painless fix, and makes sense as people are living much longer now than when it was implemented.

I agree, and I also think the idea of retirement is much different too. Retiring at 65 ? Are you kidding me ? Mick Jagger is still rocking and rolling and he's at least 65.

When you are 65 you still have a good 20 years of viability left in the work force. Raise retirement to 75, IMO.

As for me, I'll work till the day I day - whether that is 85, 105, or 45.

I'll be 65 within a month. Trust me, there ain't 20 years of viability left in this carcass. I'm going to collect full benefits baby!!!

Oooops, I lied. A month and 3 days.

OK, fair enough but consider this: I'm 42. I have pushed myself and pushed myself. It's all I know. If my heart blows up before then, I would rather them kill me painlessly than live as a vegetable.

Of course, I have never smoked or done drugs or drink so I stand a decent chance of reaching 80 in decent health.

Go back to when you were 42. I am sure you thought you were still going for another 42 years, lol.... (respect given, trust me)

When I was 42, I was planning my retirement. I hit my goal, retired at age 47 and never looked back.
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(06-24-2018 09:14 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  For what it's worth, I plan to live to be 100, then die at the hands of a jealous lover.

as long as it's not cousin IT, you get a 03-thumbsup for that....
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(06-24-2018 09:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:38 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:35 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Need to raise the retirement age. Painless fix, and makes sense as people are living much longer now than when it was implemented.

I agree, and I also think the idea of retirement is much different too. Retiring at 65 ? Are you kidding me ? Mick Jagger is still rocking and rolling and he's at least 65.

When you are 65 you still have a good 20 years of viability left in the work force. Raise retirement to 75, IMO.

As for me, I'll work till the day I day - whether that is 85, 105, or 45.


At 45 I was a "rising star" for a big bank, that also set their retirement rule at age plus service of 60 you get full retirement, meaningless since there was no pension. Thanks to the banking crisis, at age 48, I was "retired". I spent a year freelancing as a consultant (good pay zero benefits) before I got another job. I figured I would be safe at the new company, but after surviving a couple of rounds of layoffs, I seriously doubt I'll be working there more than 6 or 7 years, at that point who will hire a 62 year old? My advice, look around your company, how many 60 year old's are working there.

Well, to be fair, I work in the construction industry, specifically for a life safety sub-contractor.

There are several alarm techs and other foreman that are between 55 and 65 that work here. Construction trades, ironically enough, seem somewhat immune to age-ism, which is a by-product of not enough workers, designers, estimators, etc...

That said, I do eventually (in the next 5 years) need to learn 3D CAD (which I think is overrated and a waste of time and money) or lest I might be a dinosaur before I hit 50.
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(06-24-2018 09:14 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  For what it's worth, I plan to live to be 100, then die at the hands of a jealous lover.

As long as she doesn't kill your pet rabbit in boiling water, lol...

As for myself - I plan on living long enough to go to Mars. Which is where I'll die. Don't ask why, it is just that I've had an obsession with that planet since I was 6 years old.
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(06-24-2018 09:20 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 09:14 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  For what it's worth, I plan to live to be 100, then die at the hands of a jealous lover.

As long as she doesn't kill your pet rabbit in boiling water, lol...

As for myself - I plan on living long enough to go to Mars. Which is where I'll die. Don't ask why, it is just that I've had an obsession with that planet since I was 6 years old.

red-rum on board......maybe orange is the new blue....jk 03-wink
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(06-24-2018 09:17 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 09:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:38 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:35 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Need to raise the retirement age. Painless fix, and makes sense as people are living much longer now than when it was implemented.

I agree, and I also think the idea of retirement is much different too. Retiring at 65 ? Are you kidding me ? Mick Jagger is still rocking and rolling and he's at least 65.

When you are 65 you still have a good 20 years of viability left in the work force. Raise retirement to 75, IMO.

As for me, I'll work till the day I day - whether that is 85, 105, or 45.


At 45 I was a "rising star" for a big bank, that also set their retirement rule at age plus service of 60 you get full retirement, meaningless since there was no pension. Thanks to the banking crisis, at age 48, I was "retired". I spent a year freelancing as a consultant (good pay zero benefits) before I got another job. I figured I would be safe at the new company, but after surviving a couple of rounds of layoffs, I seriously doubt I'll be working there more than 6 or 7 years, at that point who will hire a 62 year old? My advice, look around your company, how many 60 year old's are working there.

you basically defined what I watched happen as corpshite 'murica starting scavenging.....

it's why I left and why I do what I do today.....

pops got lucky 20 yrs ago......and I had to hold his hand as he cried telling him it would "be okay".....yeah......now you guys know something else about me.....

Your dad was a gem of a man. Much better than my old man was.
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(06-24-2018 09:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 09:20 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 09:14 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  For what it's worth, I plan to live to be 100, then die at the hands of a jealous lover.

As long as she doesn't kill your pet rabbit in boiling water, lol...

As for myself - I plan on living long enough to go to Mars. Which is where I'll die. Don't ask why, it is just that I've had an obsession with that planet since I was 6 years old.

red-rum on board......maybe orange is the new blue....jk 03-wink

Well, I've got some weirdos in me. I have an older ancestor from a hundred years ago that did a lot of research on the pyramids and Stonehenge, which eventually became what is called the "Ancient Astronaut" theory.

Well, in the Cydonia region, there is that face thing-a-mu-gigger then there are (3) "things" that look like Pyramids - all in the same layout as the ones in Giza - all spaced the same way, all at the same longitude and latitude.

That got me hooked.

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(06-24-2018 09:23 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 09:17 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 09:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:38 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:35 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Need to raise the retirement age. Painless fix, and makes sense as people are living much longer now than when it was implemented.

I agree, and I also think the idea of retirement is much different too. Retiring at 65 ? Are you kidding me ? Mick Jagger is still rocking and rolling and he's at least 65.

When you are 65 you still have a good 20 years of viability left in the work force. Raise retirement to 75, IMO.

As for me, I'll work till the day I day - whether that is 85, 105, or 45.


At 45 I was a "rising star" for a big bank, that also set their retirement rule at age plus service of 60 you get full retirement, meaningless since there was no pension. Thanks to the banking crisis, at age 48, I was "retired". I spent a year freelancing as a consultant (good pay zero benefits) before I got another job. I figured I would be safe at the new company, but after surviving a couple of rounds of layoffs, I seriously doubt I'll be working there more than 6 or 7 years, at that point who will hire a 62 year old? My advice, look around your company, how many 60 year old's are working there.

you basically defined what I watched happen as corpshite 'murica starting scavenging.....

it's why I left and why I do what I do today.....

pops got lucky 20 yrs ago......and I had to hold his hand as he cried telling him it would "be okay".....yeah......now you guys know something else about me.....

Your dad was a gem of a man. Much better than my old man was.

he's 77.....I call him or hug him every day and tell him he's my HERO every day I get a chance......he's a better man than I ever was or will be......

I got lucky.....
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(06-24-2018 09:20 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 09:14 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  For what it's worth, I plan to live to be 100, then die at the hands of a jealous lover.

As long as she doesn't kill your pet rabbit in boiling water, lol...

As for myself - I plan on living long enough to go to Mars. Which is where I'll die. Don't ask why, it is just that I've had an obsession with that planet since I was 6 years old.



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(06-24-2018 09:27 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 09:20 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 09:14 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  For what it's worth, I plan to live to be 100, then die at the hands of a jealous lover.

As long as she doesn't kill your pet rabbit in boiling water, lol...

As for myself - I plan on living long enough to go to Mars. Which is where I'll die. Don't ask why, it is just that I've had an obsession with that planet since I was 6 years old.




Get your ass to Mars, spirit!
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(06-24-2018 08:11 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  As Maxine (Maxi-pad) Waters and other LIBTARDS worry about illegals trying to enter the country aren't given open access there's a far more serious crisis facing US Citizens. For the first time since 1982, Social Security paid more in benefits than collected in taxes. If nothing changes we're at the end of the road. There's no kicking the can anymore, the longer congress waits the larger the crisis and the more drastic the measures needed to fix Social Security. Social Security has always been a ponzi scheme funded with government IOU's in the form of government debt. Now that revenues are not sufficient to pay benefits the fact that all the taxes collected are invested in US debt is going to render the program insolvent unless tax code is changed in increase revenues or investments are changed (not going to happen) to divest of US debt.

this is nothing new......you better hope you're 60 or older today.....

I turn 53 on ZERO's birthday......

why do you thing #costa is a real thingy for me.....

phuck 'em and pray for the #DJTexperiment to be successful......

it's always been a matter of numbers and the 'when' post 'boomer'

one was a dumbarse with numbers if they didn't see that coming.......

#consequenceofcapitalismboysandgirls

and it doesn't mean dick if you like it or not............

From its implementation until 1966-7 Social Security was a Federally mandated savings account for its citizens and not touchable by the U.S. Government. Lyndon Baines Johnson at the behest of the Federal Reserve (who despised that lump sum of untouchable cash because it gave the country a reserve and kept the nation from borrowing from them in the form of loans indicated by the printing of U.S. Federal Reserve notes, instead of Silver Certificates, and a self promissory note called a U.S. Bank note which was free of interest) pushed through social initiatives (The Great Society Program) that borrowed from the principal of the SSI Savings altering the plan from a savings account by the citizens to a quasi tax status. Johnson had long been in the pockets of the corporations that backed the Federal Reserve and they had felt pressed upon by RFK's insistence on removing them from the money supply and disbanding the Federal Reserve System. So for them once RFK was removed as AG following the assassination of his brother they saw three enemies against their interest, political influence through lobby and perks:

1. Any politician who was not in their debt and might actually serve the interest of the people rather than serving theirs.

2. Any cash reserve of the U.S. Government that could be drained meant that they would make money in three ways off of the people.
(a) Through the printing of every dollar in Federal Reserve Notes (Green Seal Bills) because each dollar earned 3 cents per annum in 1964.
(b) Through the push and lobby in Congress for expenditures for their goods and services (Morton Thiokol, McDonald Douglas, Boeing, Chrysler, Bell Helicopter, etc.). Every dollar appropriated from Congress for the purchase of goods made at the corporations backing the Federal Reserve earned them a profit due to the sale and earned them another 3 cents tax for their investment in the Federal Reserve from interest paid by the citizens of the U.S.
© They exchanged their worthless green sealed notes for rolls of silver coin minted by the U.S. Treasury (a true and separate government entity). They then shipped said coin overseas where they could melt it for the silver content and make a profit on the exchange of their notes for 90% silver U.S. coinage.

The latter effort was to force the U.S. Government to abandon the Silver Standard and to quit striking coins that actually held their value by their metal content. They got their wish. In 1965 the Federal Coinage Act was passed removing the silver from circulating U.S. coins (except for a 40% silver half dollar minted from 1965 until 1970).

From the time Kennedy was assassinated until now the national debt of the United States has ballooned during the Federal Reserve era from 205 million to 21 Trillion.

Social Security wasn't government bungling it was organized theft by the Federal Reserve Beginning with one of the biggest social welfare programs in the history of the country (at that time) designed to drain the governments nest egg held in escrow for its citizens. It is interesting because the Constitution essentially incorporates the United States of America and independent entities that we engage in business with may attach our citizens for any unpaid balances. So by law these bastards are enslaving the United States citizens through an onerous debt that they corrupted our representatives to create.

Only 3 presidents since Kennedy have been elected who were not beholden to the Federal Reserve. Jimmy Carter in 1976. His own party tried to make him out to be a incompetent buffoon. Sound familiar. Carter was anything but and I'm a conservative (fiscally). His presidency failed as the Washington thugs working for the Fed on both sides of the aisle did their hatchet job. Ronald Reagan in 1980 was another. He was forced to take an old line plant from a family who had had 3 former presidents in its lineage as a running mate or the Republican party would refuse to endorse him at his own convention. His other option was to take the Warren Commission's Gerald Ford. Reagan chose the former director of the CIA George Herbert Walker Bush. Reagan suffered a wounding at the hands of yet another assassin and after the shooting deference was given to the policies that would become familiar under Bush. Every president after GHWB has been backed by Fed money until this election.

Gee does the Donald Trump story sound familiar to the old Carter people? You bet.

This isn't an accident or poor foresight by politicians. The death of SSI is a deliberate and calculated act foreseen by our founding fathers who once cautioned that the nation should never borrow from outside sources lest they lose their power over the purse strings and suffer the bankrupting of the nation. Our founding fathers had seen this stunt pulled over and over in the rise and fall of sovereign nations in Europe.

The SSI won't be bankrupt until about 2027 or so. I've heard date as late as the 2030's and as early as 2025. They won't quit paying us, they'll just double down on the debt.

What you should be wary of is the Federal Confiscation of Gold mandated by FDR in 1933 to bail out insolvency with the Federal Reserve banks back then. That precedent has been set and is a reason I believe the government decided to mint and sell gold coins to its citizens once again. You will notice each gold coin has a dollar value incused at its minting. A one ounce Gold coin trades for roughly $1270 today, but it clearly says that its value is $50 dollars. Under the Confiscation act in 1933 a $20 gold coin had about $35 worth of gold in it. By confiscating the government issued gold coins the Treasury doubled its value by selling the gold to the Federal Reserve and that helped pay down some of the depression era debt. If they revisited that act today they would give everyone who had a one ounce gold coin confiscated a $50 bill. Then they would sell the gold to offset the national debt. You'll get your social security check right on. But you stand to lose $1220 dollars for each 1 ounce of gold you have. Lovely isn't it. But the government has that right and the precedent upon which to act. And if that doesn't work then your real property could theoretically stand forfeit to the loans to the Federal Government.

We citizens have been walking around in a haze thinking that whatever the government spent wasn't really going to affect you. You've been dead wrong if that was your belief.

In the history of nations nobody calls the note on a super power until that super power is defeated, or until another super power emerges that looks to be stronger, even if untested in war. The Swiss kept loans going to Napoleon right up until Waterloo. While that battle did not end Napoleon's army, it did end its loans. China is working hard today to back its Renminbi with gold. They want World Reserve Status. They realize that if they could force dollars to be exchanged for Renminbi they could control the exchange rate and finish off the U.S. without firing a shot. Fortunately for us our next generation weaponry keeps that threat at bay for now, but the theft of U.S. Military secrets is plain to see. Just Google the next generation of Chinese warplanes and you will think you were looking at ours. That's not an accident.

Now if you take your oath to your country seriously, and I do, we've always been able to identify our foreign enemies. What about the domestic ones? We promised to defend our country against both. But like Pogo I'm afraid "we have met the enemy and he is us!"
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(06-24-2018 08:38 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  I agree, and I also think the idea of retirement is much different too. Retiring at 65 ? Are you kidding me ? Mick Jagger is still rocking and rolling and he's at least 65.

When you are 65 you still have a good 20 years of viability left in the work force. Raise retirement to 75, IMO.

As for me, I'll work till the day I day - whether that is 85, 105, or 45.


At 45 I was a "rising star" for a big bank, that also set their retirement rule at age plus service of 60 you get full retirement, meaningless since there was no pension. Thanks to the banking crisis, at age 48, I was "retired". I spent a year freelancing as a consultant (good pay zero benefits) before I got another job. I figured I would be safe at the new company, but after surviving a couple of rounds of layoffs, I seriously doubt I'll be working there more than 6 or 7 years, at that point who will hire a 62 year old? My advice, look around your company, how many 60 year old's are working there.

you basically defined what I watched happen as corpshite 'murica starting scavenging.....

it's why I left and why I do what I do today.....

pops got lucky 20 yrs ago......and I had to hold his hand as he cried telling him it would "be okay".....yeah......now you guys know something else about me.....

Your dad was a gem of a man. Much better than my old man was.

he's 77.....I call him or hug him every day and tell him he's my HERO every day I get a chance......he's a better man than I ever was or will be......

I got lucky.....

Your dad like mine came from a generation that knew what sacrifice meant, family first, then country. Those values are lost on today's generation of everyone gets a trophy kids.
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(06-24-2018 08:21 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:11 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  As Maxine (Maxi-pad) Waters and other LIBTARDS worry about illegals trying to enter the country aren't given open access there's a far more serious crisis facing US Citizens. For the first time since 1982, Social Security paid more in benefits than collected in taxes. If nothing changes we're at the end of the road. There's no kicking the can anymore, the longer congress waits the larger the crisis and the more drastic the measures needed to fix Social Security. Social Security has always been a ponzi scheme funded with government IOU's in the form of government debt. Now that revenues are not sufficient to pay benefits the fact that all the taxes collected are invested in US debt is going to render the program insolvent unless tax code is changed in increase revenues or investments are changed (not going to happen) to divest of US debt.

this is nothing aknew......you better hope you're 60 or older today.....

I turn 53 on ZERO's birthday......

why do you thing #costa is a real thingy for me.....

phuck 'em and pray for the #DJTexperiment to be successful......

it's always been a matter of numbers and the 'when' post 'boomer'

one was a dumbarse with numbers if they didn't see that coming.......

#consequenceofcapitalismboysandgirls

and it doesn't mean dick if you like it or not............

Means testing has been floated (mainly by libtards) which sucks for people who've worked hard and saved for the future. The government steals 13% of your income (6.5% from your paycheck and a forced match from employer unless you are among those that max out) with the promise of a benefit. Since all that money was "invested" in government debt it's really dependent on revenues always exceeding benefits.

Means testing is a non-starter for me. It was designed as a retirement program, not a welfare program. Means testing it is fraud by the government.

W. tried to fix it, but the Democrats demogogued it to death. Obama claimed there was no problem. The longer we wait, the tougher it is to fix.

Medicare is in even worse shape. But again, Obama denied it and made the situation worse with Obamacare.
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RE: The Real Crisis Brewing
(06-24-2018 09:38 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
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(06-24-2018 09:17 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 09:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  At 45 I was a "rising star" for a big bank, that also set their retirement rule at age plus service of 60 you get full retirement, meaningless since there was no pension. Thanks to the banking crisis, at age 48, I was "retired". I spent a year freelancing as a consultant (good pay zero benefits) before I got another job. I figured I would be safe at the new company, but after surviving a couple of rounds of layoffs, I seriously doubt I'll be working there more than 6 or 7 years, at that point who will hire a 62 year old? My advice, look around your company, how many 60 year old's are working there.

you basically defined what I watched happen as corpshite 'murica starting scavenging.....

it's why I left and why I do what I do today.....

pops got lucky 20 yrs ago......and I had to hold his hand as he cried telling him it would "be okay".....yeah......now you guys know something else about me.....

Your dad was a gem of a man. Much better than my old man was.

he's 77.....I call him or hug him every day and tell him he's my HERO every day I get a chance......he's a better man than I ever was or will be......

I got lucky.....

Your dad like mine came from a generation that knew what sacrifice meant, family first, then country. Those values are lost on today's generation of everyone gets a trophy kids.

you nailed it to the 'T'.......

that is XACLY! what too many today never got to experience......

it's the entire script of capitalism playing out as we breathe.....

#choicesnarrowed

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RE: The Real Crisis Brewing
(06-24-2018 09:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(06-24-2018 08:11 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  As Maxine (Maxi-pad) Waters and other LIBTARDS worry about illegals trying to enter the country aren't given open access there's a far more serious crisis facing US Citizens. For the first time since 1982, Social Security paid more in benefits than collected in taxes. If nothing changes we're at the end of the road. There's no kicking the can anymore, the longer congress waits the larger the crisis and the more drastic the measures needed to fix Social Security. Social Security has always been a ponzi scheme funded with government IOU's in the form of government debt. Now that revenues are not sufficient to pay benefits the fact that all the taxes collected are invested in US debt is going to render the program insolvent unless tax code is changed in increase revenues or investments are changed (not going to happen) to divest of US debt.

this is nothing aknew......you better hope you're 60 or older today.....

I turn 53 on ZERO's birthday......

why do you thing #costa is a real thingy for me.....

phuck 'em and pray for the #DJTexperiment to be successful......

it's always been a matter of numbers and the 'when' post 'boomer'

one was a dumbarse with numbers if they didn't see that coming.......

#consequenceofcapitalismboysandgirls

and it doesn't mean dick if you like it or not............

Means testing has been floated (mainly by libtards) which sucks for people who've worked hard and saved for the future. The government steals 13% of your income (6.5% from your paycheck and a forced match from employer unless you are among those that max out) with the promise of a benefit. Since all that money was "invested" in government debt it's really dependent on revenues always exceeding benefits.

Means testing is a non-starter for me. It was designed as a retirement program, not a welfare program. Means testing it is fraud by the government.

W. tried to fix it, but the Democrats demogogued it to death. Obama claimed there was no problem. The longer we wait, the tougher it is to fix.

Medicare is in even worse shape. But again, Obama denied it and made the situation worse with Obamacare.

call it whatever.....it's pretty simple to understand that living longer coinciding with the boomers being the largest in numbers is the issue.....

all one has to do is watch commercials at this point.....

my crew called this one 30 fk'n years ago......

toss in raping the coffer and you get only a matter of 'when the collapse'.....
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RE: The Real Crisis Brewing
(06-24-2018 08:50 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
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(06-24-2018 08:35 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Need to raise the retirement age. Painless fix, and makes sense as people are living much longer now than when it was implemented.

I'm 55, I worry about making it to 65 (much less the 67.5 full benefit age). Most companies don't want people over 60 for a variety of reasons. Raise the age to 70 and you'll have a bunch of geriatrics trying to find work at Walmart and McDonalds. The problem isn't the retirement age, it's relying on current revenues to pay current benefits, that's a ponzi scheme.

Don't you also get pennies back on the dollar, when factoring in how much you paid into the system ?

If so, what a load.

Exactly it's not just the 6.5% you put in but the 6.5% employers have to match. If that were invested, even conservatively, in the free market your payout would be much better an fully funded. Think of all the people that die before retirement and never collect a penny.

That'd be my Dad. 20 days after our wedding. Still going in at 67YO's cause he loved his job and had several research projects in the air and wanted to see them through, figured he'd bank it for a bit longer and retire at 72 after 40+ years paying in plus his time in both the Navy and the Army...

Never saw a penny of it.

Likely went to some slob that claimed disability at 38 and "retired". 07-coffee3
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RE: The Real Crisis Brewing
(06-24-2018 09:51 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:50 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:46 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:44 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-24-2018 08:35 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Need to raise the retirement age. Painless fix, and makes sense as people are living much longer now than when it was implemented.

I'm 55, I worry about making it to 65 (much less the 67.5 full benefit age). Most companies don't want people over 60 for a variety of reasons. Raise the age to 70 and you'll have a bunch of geriatrics trying to find work at Walmart and McDonalds. The problem isn't the retirement age, it's relying on current revenues to pay current benefits, that's a ponzi scheme.

Don't you also get pennies back on the dollar, when factoring in how much you paid into the system ?

If so, what a load.

Exactly it's not just the 6.5% you put in but the 6.5% employers have to match. If that were invested, even conservatively, in the free market your payout would be much better an fully funded. Think of all the people that die before retirement and never collect a penny.

That'd be my Dad. 20 days after our wedding. Still going in at 67YO's cause he loved his job and had several research projects in the air and wanted to see them through, figured he'd bank it for a bit longer and retire at 72 after 40+ years paying in plus his time in both the Navy and the Army...

Never saw a penny of it.

Likely went to some slob that claimed disability at 38 and "retired". 07-coffee3

:sobs: ....happens too often to the good folks.....

it's scary stupid how we've subsidized those that don't deserve it......
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