so was looking at 2 teams St John's folks said shouldn't schedule to hopefully keep them out of NYC. UConn and Syracuse.

Both of them in the 6 years since the split(after this year) will have played 9 games at NYC. St John's will have played in 2 of them.

Not quite as funny as Duke- who will have had 11 games after this year in NYC- with St John's hosting 1 of them.

You're just not gonna let this one go, are you?

I just think it's pathetic the schedule that St John's has. No excuse for a team to have as mediocre of a schedule as St John's has lined up. It could be close to #300 this year overall and one of the 5-6 worst P6 schedules. Could easily keep them out of the tourney.

Seton Hall gets a ton of credit for their scheduling..... just announced today-

home and home with Saint Louis
home and home with Maryland
neutral site game(at Barclay's) wtih Pittsburgh(oops, they found a way to get to play in NYC).

Still have Louisville and Kentucky on the schedule. So a chance even before exempt tourney at at least 2 if not 3-4 tier 1 OOC games. And might see Miami and/or Utah in the exempt tournament. now THAT is a good OOC schedule. When game with Pitt is like the 7th or 8th best OOC game- that's pretty damn good.

(06-13-2018 10:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I just think it's pathetic the schedule that St John's has. No excuse for a team to have as mediocre of a schedule as St John's has lined up. It could be close to #300 this year overall and one of the 5-6 worst P6 schedules. Could easily keep them out of the tourney.

Sure, that's not a good OOC schedule. Still don't think there are people dumbfounded that Syracuse has managed to schedule neutral site games at MSG though.

(06-13-2018 01:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 10:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I just think it's pathetic the schedule that St John's has. No excuse for a team to have as mediocre of a schedule as St John's has lined up. It could be close to #300 this year overall and one of the 5-6 worst P6 schedules. Could easily keep them out of the tourney.

Sure, that's not a good OOC schedule. Still don't think there are people dumbfounded that Syracuse has managed to schedule neutral site games at MSG though.

I think there probably are some that are. Thought that Syracuse could get shut out of there and lose their NYC recruiting ties. They're playing in NYC probably more now than when they were in the Big East.

(06-12-2018 02:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so was looking at 2 teams St John's folks said shouldn't schedule to hopefully keep them out of NYC. UConn and Syracuse.

Both of them in the 6 years since the split(after this year) will have played 9 games at NYC. St John's will have played in 2 of them.

Not quite as funny as Duke- who will have had 11 games after this year in NYC- with St John's hosting 1 of them.

well, i have heard that Hurley is trying to schedule a bunch of series with old big east foes including St. Johns

Four-star NC State decommit Saddiq Bey committing to Nova. 2018 commit. Nice late get for Jay Wright to continue reloading after their NBA departures.

Saw Nova didn't get Travis- he went to Kentucky.

(06-13-2018 01:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 01:27 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 10:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I just think it's pathetic the schedule that St John's has. No excuse for a team to have as mediocre of a schedule as St John's has lined up. It could be close to #300 this year overall and one of the 5-6 worst P6 schedules. Could easily keep them out of the tourney.

Sure, that's not a good OOC schedule. Still don't think there are people dumbfounded that Syracuse has managed to schedule neutral site games at MSG though.

I think there probably are some that are. Thought that Syracuse could get shut out of there and lose their NYC recruiting ties. They're playing in NYC probably more now than when they were in the Big East.

When it comes to exaggeration and deliberate misrepresentation, you really are incorrigible Stever. You continue to spew the same nonsense about St. John's people saying they can keep Syracuse out of MSG. No one has said that but you. St. John's can help facilitate teams getting games there, but obviously can't keep anyone out and doesn't try to.

Then we have your exaggeration that some St John's people claim Heron being eligible this year is a "done deal". Again, no one has said that but you. Some people have said they are cautiously optimistic, but that is a far cry from claiming it's a done deal, as you deliberately misstate.

But your final bit of nonsense is just an out and out lie. Your claim above that Syracuse plays more often in NYC now, than they did while in the Big East, is pure Stever. In the five years since leaving the Big East, Syracuse has played in NYC a total of 10 times, with only 6 of those being at MSG, their clear venue of choice. Also three of those games in nyc, were in the ACC tournament over the past two years, which will be an infrequent occurrence. In the five years before they left the Big East, they played 22 times in New York, each time at MSG. So in the five year time frame, they played more than twice as many games in NYC during the Big East stretch, and more than triple the number of games at MSG. But according to Stever, they play more in NYC now than they did then.

This is why everyone has such little regard for your postings, both here and on HLOH. You don't have opinions, you have an agenda, and everyone sees through it clearly at this point.

Ok the Syracuse thing was a bit of hyperbole, but they will after next year have played 10 regular season games in NYC(not counting the ACC tourney). They've clearly been able to maintain a very visable presence in NYC- and in fact last 2 years along with this upcoming year- will have gotten
2017- 2 regular season plus 1 ACC tourney game= so 3 games total
2018- 1 regular season plus 2 ACC tourney games= so 3 games total
2019- 3 regular season games

So 9 games in the last 3 years. Maybe last 2 years why they didn't schedule as many regular season games isn't that they didn't want to- but they knew they had the ACC tourney there.

They're getting into NYC anytime they damn well want to.

I only see two games for Syracuse in NYC this upcoming season, Nov 15&16 in the 2K Classic. While I might have missed one, I'm guessing this is yet another exaggeration on your part. They did get three the past two seasons but that was due to the ACC tournament being in Brooklyn, and there's no telling when or if they'll be back in NYC again. Also keep in mind that while they have two this year they are on Nov 15 and 16, when the Giants and Jets are in full swing, and the Knicks, Nets, and Rangers are starting up. That's a lot different then being there in March when the nations eyes turn toward the college conference tournaments.

And I'll repeat the point that's been made over and over. They travel well, they're known in NYC from their Big East days, they have some alumni in the area, so yes we know, they can get games in Nov and Dec in NYC. No one is claiming otherwise, before you start up with that again.

Saw St. Johns' AD just stepped down this week. Marquette's assistant AD was a top candidate during the last-go-around. I wonder if St. Johns looks at him again.

It is pretty amazing that many of our athletic directors have remained in place since reorganization, for the most part. Marquette had Larry Williams see us through the realignment phase, but all other schools have had steady leadership from that standpoint. Continuity and consistency is key.

Saw Georgetown signed a home and home with SMU. Georgetown's schedule will be much improved in 2018-19. Is it a great schedule? No. Is it enough where if Georgetown can get 19-20 wins to make the tourney? Yeah probably so.

saw Providence losing a guy to a transfer- Dickens. Big guy- 7 footer who played 3 games and then was able to get a medical redshirt.

At some point, are there questions about Cooley? I mean, I know transfers are normal in todays age, but PC seems to be a revolving door more than normal.

look at the experience/continuity ratings in Ken Pom
2014- 2.07 years #73/67.8% #48
2015- 1.43 years #259/43.3% #229
2016- 1.13 years #322/49.1% #172
2017- 1.39 years #277/47.6% #201
2018- 1.90 years #115/77.3% #8

So this past year was the only 2nd out of the 5 years with any sort of continuity. It makes it that much more amazing how good PC/Cooley has done given the constant turnover. But it makes you wonder if he's getting the right guys. I mean you're not seeing many transfers out from programs like Nova or Xavier.

(06-28-2018 12:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  saw Providence losing a guy to a transfer- Dickens. Big guy- 7 footer who played 3 games and then was able to get a medical redshirt.

At some point, are there questions about Cooley? I mean, I know transfers are normal in todays age, but PC seems to be a revolving door more than normal.

look at the experience/continuity ratings in Ken Pom
2014- 2.07 years #73/67.8% #48
2015- 1.43 years #259/43.3% #229
2016- 1.13 years #322/49.1% #172
2017- 1.39 years #277/47.6% #201
2018- 1.90 years #115/77.3% #8

So this past year was the only 2nd out of the 5 years with any sort of continuity. It makes it that much more amazing how good PC/Cooley has done given the constant turnover. But it makes you wonder if he's getting the right guys. I mean you're not seeing many transfers out from programs like Nova or Xavier.

Despite the Friars having the 8th highest rating this past season, there "should be questions" about Cooley? Cooley has made five straight NCAA's. In that time frame, Providence has never finished below fifth in the Big East. Prior to Cooley, the Friars had made only two NCAA tournaments since 2000, which included seven losing seasons. Due to the program's success and support, Providence also was able to build a new practice facility.

Cooley is one of the top coaches in the Big East. I hope he remains at Providence for a long time.

Yeah he's a great coach. But why all the transfers? I don't see guys leaving Nova that they're counting on. I don't think there's been many transfers from Xavier. But Providence has lost quite a few guys to transfer the last few years with a lot of them pretty good players. It just seems a bit strange. You can act like it's perfectly normal that there's been so many transfers- but really it's unusual. It's one of those things that you just wonder about- wonder if there is anything under the surface.

I'll say that I've always liked Cooley. I think he's a great coach. But it's just unusual and in this day and age a red flag.

Look at the transfers. Many of them downgraded in pursuit of more playing time. Others grad-transferred due to likely less playing time. Cooley lets the best players play, regardless of year or experience.

Bryan Donovan (Roger Williams University)
Ricky Council (UMBC)
Ryan Fazekas (Valparaiso)
Quadree Smith (???)
Tyree Chambers (LeMoyne)
Junior Lomomba (Grad - WKU)
Paschal Chukwu (Syracuse)
Tyler Harris (Grad - Auburn)
Brandon Harris (Oregon)
Josh Fortune (Colorado)
Brice Kofane (Grad - Monmouth)

Buzz Williams had lots of transfers at Marquette, and continues to have them at VT. Even Michigan and John Beilein, who just reached the NCAA Championship game, gets transfers leave yearly due to playing time opportunities. Both coaches, as do many others, continue to have a sustainable competitive program year-in and year-out.

Where are the "questions" on those coaches or other programs?

the difference is a lot of the transfers he's had haven't been due to lack of playing time. That's what's so unusual with this.

Saw Maui is out for Xavier....

opens up with Auburn.
then play either Duke/San Diego St
then one of Arizona/Iowa St/Gonzaga/Illinois

Pretty brutal half of the bracket for Xavier. Auburn preseason #4 by Rothstein, then Duke is #7.

Could easily be a Auburn/San Diego St/Iowa St tourney for them. Going 2-1 would be really good.