(02-24-2021 10:03 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:26 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  Come along nicely...

Going to be fun watching this get built...hopefully no major snags.

Already on my bucket list to visit.

I'm impressed they got a construction permit in California.

(02-24-2021 08:16 AM)panama Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:26 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  Come along nicely...

Nice. Will be a long long overall project. We are four years in and maybe 35% into redeveloping the 70 acres.

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I believe the projection for all 136 acres is 15 years. So 14 and change to go...

(02-24-2021 11:33 AM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 08:16 AM)panama Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:26 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  Come along nicely...

Nice. Will be a long long overall project. We are four years in and maybe 35% into redeveloping the 70 acres.

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I believe the projection for all 136 acres is 15 years. So 14 and change to go...

I'm surprised there wasn't anyway to downsize Jack Murphy for the Aztecs use.

I am sure stuff gets built in California.

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(02-24-2021 10:16 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 10:03 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:26 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  Come along nicely...

Going to be fun watching this get built...hopefully no major snags.

Already on my bucket list to visit.

I'm impressed they got a construction permit in California.

It took 2 county-wide referendums and a lot of political pull. The mayor and the majority of the county commissioners are SDSU grads and they all supported it.

t is possible to get things built in southern CA, as long as you're a multibillion dollar company or a public institution. But if you're an average Joe or a small business, forget it. Don't you know that only the rich are allowed to make money in real estate development?

(02-24-2021 11:49 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:33 AM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 08:16 AM)panama Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:26 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  Come along nicely...

Nice. Will be a long long overall project. We are four years in and maybe 35% into redeveloping the 70 acres.

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I believe the projection for all 136 acres is 15 years. So 14 and change to go...

I'm surprised there wasn't anyway to downsize Jack Murphy for the Aztecs use.

It was built to accommodate baseball so the sideline stands were farther from the field than any collegiate stadium in America. Plus it was falling apart. Made total sense to start from scratch rather than Attempt to retrofit a dinosaur.

(02-25-2021 02:21 PM)SDSUguy Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:49 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:33 AM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 08:16 AM)panama Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:26 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  Come along nicely...

Nice. Will be a long long overall project. We are four years in and maybe 35% into redeveloping the 70 acres.

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I believe the projection for all 136 acres is 15 years. So 14 and change to go...

I'm surprised there wasn't anyway to downsize Jack Murphy for the Aztecs use.

It was built to accommodate baseball so the sideline stands were farther from the field than any collegiate stadium in America. Plus it was falling apart. Made total sense to start from scratch rather than Attempt to retrofit a dinosaur.

Is the new stadium on campus?

Anyway, having grown up watching football in the 1970s, I kind of miss those old stadiums that were originally designed for baseball, like Oakland Alameda County Stadium, Candlestick Park and others. I liked it when the offense had the ball in the baseball infield with the dirt and stuff.

(02-25-2021 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:21 PM)SDSUguy Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:49 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:33 AM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 08:16 AM)panama Wrote:  Nice. Will be a long long overall project. We are four years in and maybe 35% into redeveloping the 70 acres.

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I believe the projection for all 136 acres is 15 years. So 14 and change to go...

I'm surprised there wasn't anyway to downsize Jack Murphy for the Aztecs use.

It was built to accommodate baseball so the sideline stands were farther from the field than any collegiate stadium in America. Plus it was falling apart. Made total sense to start from scratch rather than Attempt to retrofit a dinosaur.

Is the new stadium on campus?

Anyway, having grown up watching football in the 1970s, I kind of miss those old stadiums that were originally designed for baseball, like Oakland Alameda County Stadium, Candlestick Park and others. I liked it when the offense had the ball in the baseball infield with the dirt and stuff.

The entire site will become part of the SDSU campus, connected to the main campus by trolly that is two stops away. This is a transformational project for the school and the region.

(02-25-2021 02:21 PM)SDSUguy Wrote:  It was built to accommodate baseball so the sideline stands were farther from the field than any collegiate stadium in America. Plus it was falling apart. Made total sense to start from scratch rather than Attempt to retrofit a dinosaur.

All of that was applicable to the Dolphins' Hard Rock Stadium, yet they were able to completely overhaul it to modern standards.

(02-25-2021 04:20 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:21 PM)SDSUguy Wrote:  It was built to accommodate baseball so the sideline stands were farther from the field than any collegiate stadium in America. Plus it was falling apart. Made total sense to start from scratch rather than Attempt to retrofit a dinosaur.

All of that was applicable to the Dolphins' Hard Rock Stadium, yet they were able to completely overhaul it to modern standards.

SDSU is paying 200mil less for a new state of the art stadium that is right sized, than Miami paid to upgrade their old stadium. The Q was also 20 years older than the stadium in Miami.

(02-25-2021 02:43 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:21 PM)SDSUguy Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:49 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:33 AM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  I believe the projection for all 136 acres is 15 years. So 14 and change to go...

I'm surprised there wasn't anyway to downsize Jack Murphy for the Aztecs use.

It was built to accommodate baseball so the sideline stands were farther from the field than any collegiate stadium in America. Plus it was falling apart. Made total sense to start from scratch rather than Attempt to retrofit a dinosaur.

Is the new stadium on campus?

Anyway, having grown up watching football in the 1970s, I kind of miss those old stadiums that were originally designed for baseball, like Oakland Alameda County Stadium, Candlestick Park and others. I liked it when the offense had the ball in the baseball infield with the dirt and stuff.

The entire site will become part of the SDSU campus, connected to the main campus by trolly that is two stops away. This is a transformational project for the school and the region.

OK, sounds like it's not really "on campus", right? It's a short distance from the actual campus with trolley shuttle connection. Like Georgia State's stadium, the renovated Turner Field, that is owned by the university but is separate from the campus by a mile or so.

I think if USF did an OCS it would be either on the existing campus or else adjacent to it, so that there is no intervening separation. But of course that's a fantasy for us, while your quasi-campus stadium is fast becoming a reality. Kudos.

(02-25-2021 07:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:43 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:21 PM)SDSUguy Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:49 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I'm surprised there wasn't anyway to downsize Jack Murphy for the Aztecs use.

It was built to accommodate baseball so the sideline stands were farther from the field than any collegiate stadium in America. Plus it was falling apart. Made total sense to start from scratch rather than Attempt to retrofit a dinosaur.

Is the new stadium on campus?

Anyway, having grown up watching football in the 1970s, I kind of miss those old stadiums that were originally designed for baseball, like Oakland Alameda County Stadium, Candlestick Park and others. I liked it when the offense had the ball in the baseball infield with the dirt and stuff.

The entire site will become part of the SDSU campus, connected to the main campus by trolly that is two stops away. This is a transformational project for the school and the region.

OK, sounds like it's not really "on campus", right? It's a short distance from the actual campus with trolley shuttle connection. Like Georgia State's stadium, the renovated Turner Field, that is owned by the university but is separate from the campus by a mile or so.

I think if USF did an OCS it would be either on the existing campus or else adjacent to it, so that there is no intervening separation. But of course that's a fantasy for us, while your quasi-campus stadium is fast becoming a reality. Kudos.

Campus is being built at the stadium. So ON campus. We did the same.

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(02-25-2021 07:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:43 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:21 PM)SDSUguy Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:49 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I'm surprised there wasn't anyway to downsize Jack Murphy for the Aztecs use.

It was built to accommodate baseball so the sideline stands were farther from the field than any collegiate stadium in America. Plus it was falling apart. Made total sense to start from scratch rather than Attempt to retrofit a dinosaur.

Is the new stadium on campus?

Anyway, having grown up watching football in the 1970s, I kind of miss those old stadiums that were originally designed for baseball, like Oakland Alameda County Stadium, Candlestick Park and others. I liked it when the offense had the ball in the baseball infield with the dirt and stuff.

The entire site will become part of the SDSU campus, connected to the main campus by trolly that is two stops away. This is a transformational project for the school and the region.

OK, sounds like it's not really "on campus", right? It's a short distance from the actual campus with trolley shuttle connection. Like Georgia State's stadium, the renovated Turner Field, that is owned by the university but is separate from the campus by a mile or so.

I think if USF did an OCS it would be either on the existing campus or else adjacent to it, so that there is no intervening separation. But of course that's a fantasy for us, while your quasi-campus stadium is fast becoming a reality. Kudos.

The MOSI site with a pedestrian bridge, across Fowler Ave. from the USF campus is likely the plot of land you are referring to, but that's county property the museum sits on with city of Tampa land immediately behind it on 50th Street. The Bruce B. Downs (30th Street) side of the USF campus, where the Research Parks and Botanical Garden is, near Fowler is a worse location.

SDSU's stadium is more like the University of Michigan's three campuses: Central (the campus we think of), North (where Engineering, Music, Art/Architecture colleges are housed), and South (mostly Athletics, but there are other university buildings along State Street).

SDSU Mission isn't to be separated like the University of Houston and UH-Downtown are separate and distinct institutions.

(02-25-2021 06:37 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 04:20 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:21 PM)SDSUguy Wrote:  It was built to accommodate baseball so the sideline stands were farther from the field than any collegiate stadium in America. Plus it was falling apart. Made total sense to start from scratch rather than Attempt to retrofit a dinosaur.

All of that was applicable to the Dolphins' Hard Rock Stadium, yet they were able to completely overhaul it to modern standards.

SDSU is paying 200mil less for a new state of the art stadium that is right sized, than Miami paid to upgrade their old stadium. The Q was also 20 years older than the stadium in Miami.

I would also assume it's a size issue. There's no need to renovate a 70K seat(I'm guessing what Qualcomm was) stadium when you can build something more suitable to the need.

I'm not familiar with the lay of the land in San Diego, but I've never heard anything other than it being a very nice community. I hope the new site takes advantage of whatever amenities are available.

That and with the Chargers leaving town, I'm hoping SDSU has a golden opportunity to really build a large city-wide fan base.

(02-25-2021 10:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 07:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:43 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:21 PM)SDSUguy Wrote:  It was built to accommodate baseball so the sideline stands were farther from the field than any collegiate stadium in America. Plus it was falling apart. Made total sense to start from scratch rather than Attempt to retrofit a dinosaur.

Is the new stadium on campus?

Anyway, having grown up watching football in the 1970s, I kind of miss those old stadiums that were originally designed for baseball, like Oakland Alameda County Stadium, Candlestick Park and others. I liked it when the offense had the ball in the baseball infield with the dirt and stuff.

The entire site will become part of the SDSU campus, connected to the main campus by trolly that is two stops away. This is a transformational project for the school and the region.

OK, sounds like it's not really "on campus", right? It's a short distance from the actual campus with trolley shuttle connection. Like Georgia State's stadium, the renovated Turner Field, that is owned by the university but is separate from the campus by a mile or so.

I think if USF did an OCS it would be either on the existing campus or else adjacent to it, so that there is no intervening separation. But of course that's a fantasy for us, while your quasi-campus stadium is fast becoming a reality. Kudos.

Campus is being built at the stadium. So ON campus. We did the same.

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Eh, that's not "on campus" the way I think about. "On campus" are stadiums like LSU and Ohio State, where you are walking around the grounds of the actual historical campus, where all the classroom building and dorms etc. are and right there in the mix of that is, well, the stadium. To be truly OCS, the stadium has to be in that mix or immediately adjacent to it, so that there's no intervening space.

Stadiums that are built away from the actual campus, but with plans to build other university facilities around it are quasi OCS. They are kind of extensions or satellites from the campus.

For example, if USF were to tear down its existing track and soccer stadium and build a football stadium there, that would be "in the mix" as the soccer stadium is in the area of the main campus. If we built it on the MOSI grounds, which are across the street from the main campus that would qualify too as it is adjacent to the campus so would be a natural extension of it. But if we bought the dying University Mall property, which is about a half-mile from our campus, and built a stadium there, with plans to build other facilities around it, such that students would be taking shuttles or something to the games, that would be a "quasi" situation. Not truly on campus, IMO. It wouldn't be on the current campus, rather we would be building a new campus, in effect.

(02-25-2021 10:56 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 07:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:43 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:21 PM)SDSUguy Wrote:  It was built to accommodate baseball so the sideline stands were farther from the field than any collegiate stadium in America. Plus it was falling apart. Made total sense to start from scratch rather than Attempt to retrofit a dinosaur.

Is the new stadium on campus?

Anyway, having grown up watching football in the 1970s, I kind of miss those old stadiums that were originally designed for baseball, like Oakland Alameda County Stadium, Candlestick Park and others. I liked it when the offense had the ball in the baseball infield with the dirt and stuff.

The entire site will become part of the SDSU campus, connected to the main campus by trolly that is two stops away. This is a transformational project for the school and the region.

OK, sounds like it's not really "on campus", right? It's a short distance from the actual campus with trolley shuttle connection. Like Georgia State's stadium, the renovated Turner Field, that is owned by the university but is separate from the campus by a mile or so.

I think if USF did an OCS it would be either on the existing campus or else adjacent to it, so that there is no intervening separation. But of course that's a fantasy for us, while your quasi-campus stadium is fast becoming a reality. Kudos.

The MOSI site with a pedestrian bridge, across Fowler Ave. from the USF campus is likely the plot of land you are referring to, but that's county property the museum sits on with city of Tampa land immediately behind it on 50th Street. The Bruce B. Downs (30th Street) side of the USF campus, where the Research Parks and Botanical Garden is, near Fowler is a worse location.

SDSU's stadium is more like the University of Michigan's three campuses: Central (the campus we think of), North (where Engineering, Music, Art/Architecture colleges are housed), and South (mostly Athletics, but there are other university buildings along State Street).

SDSU Mission isn't to be separated like the University of Houston and UH-Downtown are separate and distinct institutions.

Yes, I was thinking about the MOSI site. But honestly, I don't like that. Fowler Avenue isn't like the lane that runs between the USC campus and the LA Coliseum, it's now a massive six-lane or whatever road with all kinds of traffic and would be a mess for students in the dorms to access it. I've always liked the current soccer stadium location on campus.

(02-26-2021 09:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 10:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 07:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:43 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Is the new stadium on campus?

Anyway, having grown up watching football in the 1970s, I kind of miss those old stadiums that were originally designed for baseball, like Oakland Alameda County Stadium, Candlestick Park and others. I liked it when the offense had the ball in the baseball infield with the dirt and stuff.

The entire site will become part of the SDSU campus, connected to the main campus by trolly that is two stops away. This is a transformational project for the school and the region.

OK, sounds like it's not really "on campus", right? It's a short distance from the actual campus with trolley shuttle connection. Like Georgia State's stadium, the renovated Turner Field, that is owned by the university but is separate from the campus by a mile or so.

I think if USF did an OCS it would be either on the existing campus or else adjacent to it, so that there is no intervening separation. But of course that's a fantasy for us, while your quasi-campus stadium is fast becoming a reality. Kudos.

Campus is being built at the stadium. So ON campus. We did the same.

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Eh, that's not "on campus" the way I think about. "On campus" are stadiums like LSU and Ohio State, where you are walking around the grounds of the actual historical campus, where all the classroom building and dorms etc. are and right there in the mix of that is, well, the stadium. To be truly OCS, the stadium has to be in that mix or immediately adjacent to it, so that there's no intervening space.

Stadiums that are built away from the actual campus, but with plans to build other university facilities around it are quasi OCS. They are kind of extensions or satellites from the campus.

For example, if USF were to tear down its existing track and soccer stadium and build a football stadium there, that would be "in the mix" as the soccer stadium is in the area of the main campus. If we built it on the MOSI grounds, which are across the street from the main campus that would qualify too as it is adjacent to the campus so would be a natural extension of it. But if we bought the dying University Mall property, which is about a half-mile from our campus, and built a stadium there, with plans to build other facilities around it, such that students would be taking shuttles or something to the games, that would be a "quasi" situation. Not truly on campus, IMO. It wouldn't be on the current campus, rather we would be building a new campus, in effect.

Even our Downtown campus is really 3 campuses in the same area. Same for Georgia Tech. In fact GT plays basketball 10 blocks from where they play football. Their practice facility is a mile from the stadium. Yet it's all in campus. I think SDSU's plan with forms / student apartments by the stadium and classrooms etc qualifies as on campus unless you mean that you have to be next to the registrars office.


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(02-25-2021 06:37 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 04:20 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:21 PM)SDSUguy Wrote:  It was built to accommodate baseball so the sideline stands were farther from the field than any collegiate stadium in America. Plus it was falling apart. Made total sense to start from scratch rather than Attempt to retrofit a dinosaur.

All of that was applicable to the Dolphins' Hard Rock Stadium, yet they were able to completely overhaul it to modern standards.

SDSU is paying 200mil less for a new state of the art stadium that is right sized, than Miami paid to upgrade their old stadium. The Q was also 20 years older than the stadium in Miami.

Retrofits are expensive. The Carrier Dome will cost easily $200M when finished. They are probably 75% done. Of course the Dome was built in 1979-80 for $27M

(02-26-2021 09:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 10:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 07:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:43 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Is the new stadium on campus?

Anyway, having grown up watching football in the 1970s, I kind of miss those old stadiums that were originally designed for baseball, like Oakland Alameda County Stadium, Candlestick Park and others. I liked it when the offense had the ball in the baseball infield with the dirt and stuff.

The entire site will become part of the SDSU campus, connected to the main campus by trolly that is two stops away. This is a transformational project for the school and the region.

OK, sounds like it's not really "on campus", right? It's a short distance from the actual campus with trolley shuttle connection. Like Georgia State's stadium, the renovated Turner Field, that is owned by the university but is separate from the campus by a mile or so.

I think if USF did an OCS it would be either on the existing campus or else adjacent to it, so that there is no intervening separation. But of course that's a fantasy for us, while your quasi-campus stadium is fast becoming a reality. Kudos.

Campus is being built at the stadium. So ON campus. We did the same.

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Eh, that's not "on campus" the way I think about. "On campus" are stadiums like LSU and Ohio State, where you are walking around the grounds of the actual historical campus, where all the classroom building and dorms etc. are and right there in the mix of that is, well, the stadium. To be truly OCS, the stadium has to be in that mix or immediately adjacent to it, so that there's no intervening space.

Stadiums that are built away from the actual campus, but with plans to build other university facilities around it are quasi OCS. They are kind of extensions or satellites from the campus.

For example, if USF were to tear down its existing track and soccer stadium and build a football stadium there, that would be "in the mix" as the soccer stadium is in the area of the main campus. If we built it on the MOSI grounds, which are across the street from the main campus that would qualify too as it is adjacent to the campus so would be a natural extension of it. But if we bought the dying University Mall property, which is about a half-mile from our campus, and built a stadium there, with plans to build other facilities around it, such that students would be taking shuttles or something to the games, that would be a "quasi" situation. Not truly on campus, IMO. It wouldn't be on the current campus, rather we would be building a new campus, in effect.

USF is in a pickle. The campus is not in a real nice part of Tampa. You can only put so much lipstick on the pig. RayJay is such a nice facility but too big for USF and 20 mins away. USF really needs a 30-35K seat on campus stadium. RayJay can still be used for an occasional big name opponent

(02-26-2021 12:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  USF really needs a 30-35K seat on campus stadium. RayJay can still be used for an occasional big name opponent

I agree with the stadium being on campus, but I think it needs to be a bit bigger, at least 40,000 or else it would not be "P5 ready".