(05-10-2018 12:48 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 12:12 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 06:23 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Seems the fraternity housing has been in longer than that. I seem ton recall walking through it first time I was taking classes, early-90s.

But anyhow, to the topic: nice logo and entrance. Have to make a point to see what it looks like from ground level. Part of me through cries "wasted space." Dump the rotary to nowhere. Plow that road straight into my private parking spot at the GB. With a landscaped median and cherry tree lined on both sides. That would be dramatic and functional.

As long as that functioning rail line is there another roadway is unlikely. When the baseball/softball facility gets developed this will serve more of a purpose

Master Plan shows the Door Street entrance road extending straight through to GB. I believe that rail line is scheduled for decommissioning as it does not appear on the 10 yr master plan.

Too bad the rail line is not viable for a downtown-University-suburban commuter line.

(05-10-2018 01:08 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 12:48 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 12:12 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 06:23 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Seems the fraternity housing has been in longer than that. I seem ton recall walking through it first time I was taking classes, early-90s.

But anyhow, to the topic: nice logo and entrance. Have to make a point to see what it looks like from ground level. Part of me through cries "wasted space." Dump the rotary to nowhere. Plow that road straight into my private parking spot at the GB. With a landscaped median and cherry tree lined on both sides. That would be dramatic and functional.

As long as that functioning rail line is there another roadway is unlikely. When the baseball/softball facility gets developed this will serve more of a purpose

Master Plan shows the Door Street entrance road extending straight through to GB. I believe that rail line is scheduled for decommissioning as it does not appear on the 10 yr master plan.

Too bad the rail line is not viable for a downtown-University-suburban commuter line.

Its an odd spur line that actually heads from UT to the South-South West, not direct route downtown

(05-10-2018 12:48 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 12:12 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 06:23 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Seems the fraternity housing has been in longer than that. I seem to recall walking through it first time I was taking classes, early-90s.

But anyhow, to the topic: nice logo and entrance. Have to make a point to see what it looks like from ground level. Part of me through cries "wasted space." Dump the rotary to nowhere. Plow that road straight into my private parking spot at the GB. With a landscaped median and cherry tree lined on both sides. That would be dramatic and functional.

As long as that functioning rail line is there another roadway is unlikely. When the baseball/softball facility gets developed this will serve more of a purpose

Master Plan shows the Door Street entrance road extending straight through to GB. I believe that rail line is scheduled for decommissioning as it does not appear on the 10 yr master plan.

They've already pulled the extension of that line out of Westwood/Douglass, and I believe the County has applied for full decommissioning of that line due to lack of use. As of right now, it is simply a tie-in line for ADM up in Ottawa Lake, who are the sole users of that line now that it was cut off at Sterns. It ties into the greater Norfolk Southern Air Line Junction off of Hill, but one company utilizes the rail and that's a ton of County land taken up for the benefit of non-County based business.

Speaking of County, there is a lot of interesting conversation happening regarding the Dorr St. dumbbell 475/23 Interchange that's scheduled for construction starting in Q3 of this year. Supposedly it will pull anywhere between 2,000-3,000 vehicles off of Secor during peak, and gives another significant University access point.

(05-10-2018 01:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Speaking of County, there is a lot of interesting conversation happening regarding the Dorr St. dumbbell 475/23 Interchange that's scheduled for construction starting in Q3 of this year. Supposedly it will pull anywhere between 2,000-3,000 vehicles off of Secor during peak, and gives another significant University access point.

2-3K into an even worse mess, Dorr-Secor-Byrne.

At best it's a difficult intersection looking for an epiphany. Goes partly to my "complaint" of the Master plans' plan to put such remote recreational facilities in the area, instead of a research-income generator or something more likely to help University standing or a smooth flowing interchange. Something useful.

What would the Japanese do? Need some out from the bizarre thinking to tackle that intersection I think. A swing ride for cars. A flying rotary. An up and over. Interdimensional travel.

(05-10-2018 01:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Speaking of County, there is a lot of interesting conversation happening regarding the Dorr St. dumbbell 475/23 Interchange that's scheduled for construction starting in Q3 of this year. Supposedly it will pull anywhere between 2,000-3,000 vehicles off of Secor during peak, and gives another significant University access point.

Off of Secor or Central?

At the recent grand opening of the Neurosciences Building (on the campus of The Toledo Hospital), Randy Ostra (ProMedica) spoke briefly on this and other projects, specifically mentioning the new Continental Building Company's medical student apartments near Toledo Hospital. Then he slipped in an interesting 3-second nugget when he hinted about "something for the UT's Main Campus" as well.

What I heard in my head was something like "yada yada yada synergy... yada medicine... yada... WHOA what did he say?!"

(05-10-2018 09:04 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote:  At the recent grand opening of the Neurosciences Building (on the campus of The Toledo Hospital), Randy Ostra (ProMedica) spoke briefly on this and other projects, specifically mentioning the new Continental Building Company's medical student apartments near Toledo Hospital. Then he slipped in an interesting 3-second nugget when he hinted about "something for the UT's Main Campus" as well.

What I heard in my head was something like "yada yada yada synergy... yada medicine... yada... WHOA what did he say?!"

Wondering where that 50 mil per year from Promedica to UT is actually going. Is it for buildings on Promedica's campus?

(05-10-2018 08:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 01:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Speaking of County, there is a lot of interesting conversation happening regarding the Dorr St. dumbbell 475/23 Interchange that's scheduled for construction starting in Q3 of this year. Supposedly it will pull anywhere between 2,000-3,000 vehicles off of Secor during peak, and gives another significant University access point.

Off of Secor or Central?

Secor between Central and Bancroft, which is an absolute hell hole. This plan was put into action when the Village residents went crazy about expanding the unsafe Secor corridor. Putting an interchange at Dorr St. will allow for every commuter and employee that uses 475/23 from the south (Perrysburg, Whitehouse, Monclova, Maumee, Holland/Springfield Township, etc.) to travel straight up Dorr now instead of carrying on to Central then backtrack southbound on Secor or, in more extreme cases, going all the way to the 475 Secor interchange.

(05-11-2018 04:00 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 09:04 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote:  At the recent grand opening of the Neurosciences Building (on the campus of The Toledo Hospital), Randy Ostra (ProMedica) spoke briefly on this and other projects, specifically mentioning the new Continental Building Company's medical student apartments near Toledo Hospital. Then he slipped in an interesting 3-second nugget when he hinted about "something for the UT's Main Campus" as well.

What I heard in my head was something like "yada yada yada synergy... yada medicine... yada... WHOA what did he say?!"

Wondering where that 50 mil per year from Promedica to UT is actually going. Is it for buildings on Promedica's campus?

A big share of it is on personnel and in the form of research support...though there will be a fun little surprise on Main Campus that can be directly attributed to that cash in the coming years. I would recommend people keep their eyes/ears open about a specific eye-sore on the Engineering Campus.

(05-10-2018 04:27 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 01:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Speaking of County, there is a lot of interesting conversation happening regarding the Dorr St. dumbbell 475/23 Interchange that's scheduled for construction starting in Q3 of this year. Supposedly it will pull anywhere between 2,000-3,000 vehicles off of Secor during peak, and gives another significant University access point.

2-3K into an even worse mess, Dorr-Secor-Byrne.

At best it's a difficult intersection looking for an epiphany. Goes partly to my "complaint" of the Master plans' plan to put such remote recreational facilities in the area, instead of a research-income generator or something more likely to help University standing or a smooth flowing interchange. Something useful.

What would the Japanese do? Need some out from the bizarre thinking to tackle that intersection I think. A swing ride for cars. A flying rotary. An up and over. Interdimensional travel.

Since they completed the median development on Dorr limiting left turn blockage and the crossover lane, that combined intersection has become much more navigable. There have been University led studies on the matter than concluded wait time of east to west traffic was reduced by nearly 80% and would not be affected by the increased traffic on Dorr, especially once they close the West Towerview entrance and further limit the left turns needed on the Dorr/Secor intersection. They are also proposing an additional entry on Dorr (into Rocket Hall parking) which would alleviate the left turn strain on the entrance in the OP once the 475/23-Dorr interchange is done.

(05-11-2018 07:48 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 08:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 01:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Speaking of County, there is a lot of interesting conversation happening regarding the Dorr St. dumbbell 475/23 Interchange that's scheduled for construction starting in Q3 of this year. Supposedly it will pull anywhere between 2,000-3,000 vehicles off of Secor during peak, and gives another significant University access point.

Off of Secor or Central?

Secor between Central and Bancroft, which is an absolute hell hole. This plan was put into action when the Village residents went crazy about expanding the unsafe Secor corridor. Putting an interchange at Dorr St. will allow for every commuter and employee that uses 475/23 from the south (Perrysburg, Whitehouse, Monclova, Maumee, Holland/Springfield Township, etc.) to travel straight up Dorr now instead of carrying on to Central then backtrack southbound on Secor or, in more extreme cases, going all the way to the 475 Secor interchange.

Thought there should be one there for years. From a personal standpoint, traveling north for UT games I had the option of exiting at Airport and often catching a train at the Holland-Sylvania crossing, or taking Airport to Reynolds and fighting traffic and lights, or, as you mention, going to I-475 and Secor, then backtracking and driving beside other cars on what is barely a two lane road. The Central interchange on 23 appears to have been designed by BG engineering students, so
I avoid that.

(05-11-2018 09:03 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 07:48 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 08:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 01:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Speaking of County, there is a lot of interesting conversation happening regarding the Dorr St. dumbbell 475/23 Interchange that's scheduled for construction starting in Q3 of this year. Supposedly it will pull anywhere between 2,000-3,000 vehicles off of Secor during peak, and gives another significant University access point.

Off of Secor or Central?

Secor between Central and Bancroft, which is an absolute hell hole. This plan was put into action when the Village residents went crazy about expanding the unsafe Secor corridor. Putting an interchange at Dorr St. will allow for every commuter and employee that uses 475/23 from the south (Perrysburg, Whitehouse, Monclova, Maumee, Holland/Springfield Township, etc.) to travel straight up Dorr now instead of carrying on to Central then backtrack southbound on Secor or, in more extreme cases, going all the way to the 475 Secor interchange.

Thought there should be one there for years. From a personal standpoint, traveling north for UT games I had the option of exiting at Airport and often catching a train at the Holland-Sylvania crossing, or taking Airport to Reynolds and fighting traffic and lights, or, as you mention, going to I-475 and Secor, then backtracking and driving beside other cars on what is barely a two lane road. The Central interchange on 23 appears to have been designed by BG engineering students, so I avoid that.

+1 for that

With that being said...be prepared for what Dorr will be. Barbell Interchanges are extremely efficient, but can confuse people who are unwilling to learn the new traffic patterns there.

(05-11-2018 09:07 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 09:03 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 07:48 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 08:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 01:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Speaking of County, there is a lot of interesting conversation happening regarding the Dorr St. dumbbell 475/23 Interchange that's scheduled for construction starting in Q3 of this year. Supposedly it will pull anywhere between 2,000-3,000 vehicles off of Secor during peak, and gives another significant University access point.

Off of Secor or Central?

Secor between Central and Bancroft, which is an absolute hell hole. This plan was put into action when the Village residents went crazy about expanding the unsafe Secor corridor. Putting an interchange at Dorr St. will allow for every commuter and employee that uses 475/23 from the south (Perrysburg, Whitehouse, Monclova, Maumee, Holland/Springfield Township, etc.) to travel straight up Dorr now instead of carrying on to Central then backtrack southbound on Secor or, in more extreme cases, going all the way to the 475 Secor interchange.

Thought there should be one there for years. From a personal standpoint, traveling north for UT games I had the option of exiting at Airport and often catching a train at the Holland-Sylvania crossing, or taking Airport to Reynolds and fighting traffic and lights, or, as you mention, going to I-475 and Secor, then backtracking and driving beside other cars on what is barely a two lane road. The Central interchange on 23 appears to have been designed by BG engineering students, so I avoid that.

+1 for that

With that being said...be prepared for what Dorr will be. Barbell Interchanges are extremely efficient, but can confuse people who are unwilling to learn the new traffic patterns there.

I live in Perrysburg where we drive on the left-hand side of the road. I’m good with change.

(05-11-2018 09:33 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 09:07 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 09:03 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 07:48 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 08:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Off of Secor or Central?

Secor between Central and Bancroft, which is an absolute hell hole. This plan was put into action when the Village residents went crazy about expanding the unsafe Secor corridor. Putting an interchange at Dorr St. will allow for every commuter and employee that uses 475/23 from the south (Perrysburg, Whitehouse, Monclova, Maumee, Holland/Springfield Township, etc.) to travel straight up Dorr now instead of carrying on to Central then backtrack southbound on Secor or, in more extreme cases, going all the way to the 475 Secor interchange.

Thought there should be one there for years. From a personal standpoint, traveling north for UT games I had the option of exiting at Airport and often catching a train at the Holland-Sylvania crossing, or taking Airport to Reynolds and fighting traffic and lights, or, as you mention, going to I-475 and Secor, then backtracking and driving beside other cars on what is barely a two lane road. The Central interchange on 23 appears to have been designed by BG engineering students, so I avoid that.

+1 for that

With that being said...be prepared for what Dorr will be. Barbell Interchanges are extremely efficient, but can confuse people who are unwilling to learn the new traffic patterns there.

I live in Perrysburg where we drive on the left-hand side of the road. I’m good with change.

Touche ...just add two roundabouts to that intersection and you're all good.

(05-11-2018 10:19 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-31-1969 07:00 PM)H2Oville Rocketjj26049185' Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 09:07 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 09:03 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 07:48 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Secor between Central and Bancroft, which is an absolute hell hole. This plan was put into action when the Village residents went crazy about expanding the unsafe Secor corridor. Putting an interchange at Dorr St. will allow for every commuter and employee that uses 475/23 from the south (Perrysburg, Whitehouse, Monclova, Maumee, Holland/Springfield Township, etc.) to travel straight up Dorr now instead of carrying on to Central then backtrack southbound on Secor or, in more extreme cases, going all the way to the 475 Secor interchange.

Thought there should be one there for years. From a personal standpoint, traveling north for UT games I had the option of exiting at Airport and often catching a train at the Holland-Sylvania crossing, or taking Airport to Reynolds and fighting traffic and lights, or, as you mention, going to I-475 and Secor, then backtracking and driving beside other cars on what is barely a two lane road. The Central interchange on 23 appears to have been designed by BG engineering students, so I avoid that.

+1 for that

With that being said...be prepared for what Dorr will be. Barbell Interchanges are extremely efficient, but can confuse people who are unwilling to learn the new traffic patterns there.

I live in Perrysburg where we drive on the left-hand side of the road. I’m good with change.

Touche ...just add two roundabouts to that intersection and you're all good.

Call it morning driving through the sound and in and out the valley.

(05-10-2018 08:19 AM)Michigan Rocket Wrote:  Thanks. I'll tell you what else I think UT should do to make the campus more pleasing. Remove all those dumb advertising billboards from inside The Glass Bowl. Looks like a Double A Baseball Field. I find it hard to believe that those billboards bring in that much revenue. And I agree the UTMC Signage should go too.

I've been saying this for years and I won't stop, those 1970s-looking advertising billboards inside the Glass Bowl need to be replaced by an LED ribbon board stretching the entire length of the east-side upper deck ASAP. It would enhance the stadium atmosphere tremendously, more than you think. And while we're at it, let's replace the old rundown stadium lighting with new modern lighting fixtures.

(05-11-2018 12:23 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 08:19 AM)Michigan Rocket Wrote:  Thanks. I'll tell you what else I think UT should do to make the campus more pleasing. Remove all those dumb advertising billboards from inside The Glass Bowl. Looks like a Double A Baseball Field. I find it hard to believe that those billboards bring in that much revenue. And I agree the UTMC Signage should go too.

I've been saying this for years and I won't stop, those 1970s-looking advertising billboards inside the Glass Bowl need to be replaced by an LED ribbon board stretching the entire length of the east-side upper deck ASAP. It would enhance the stadium atmosphere tremendously, more than you think. And while we're at it, let's replace the old rundown stadium lighting with new modern lighting fixtures.

Stadium should be ready for prime time with camera shots to the Pressbox side.

So do we need to set up a GoFund me account to get new lighting in the Glass Bowl?

(05-11-2018 07:48 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 08:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 01:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Speaking of County, there is a lot of interesting conversation happening regarding the Dorr St. dumbbell 475/23 Interchange that's scheduled for construction starting in Q3 of this year. Supposedly it will pull anywhere between 2,000-3,000 vehicles off of Secor during peak, and gives another significant University access point.

Off of Secor or Central?

Secor between Central and Bancroft, which is an absolute hell hole. This plan was put into action when the Village residents went crazy about expanding the unsafe Secor corridor. Putting an interchange at Dorr St. will allow for every commuter and employee that uses 475/23 from the south (Perrysburg, Whitehouse, Monclova, Maumee, Holland/Springfield Township, etc.) to travel straight up Dorr now instead of carrying on to Central then backtrack southbound on Secor or, in more extreme cases, going all the way to the 475 Secor interchange.

It's quite a distance from Secor to 475 heading out Dorr St., but I guess for southbound it's a more straight-thru option than going up Secor to 475, then all the way out to Sylvania (OH) and then south. For Maumee I'll bet a lot of people would still use Byrne, though. P-burn maybe 50/50. If I recall, Dorr St. narrows when you get out around Holland-Sylvania. I wonder if they will be able to widen that. Might depend on where the place the access ramps though.

(05-11-2018 07:48 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 08:43 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 01:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Speaking of County, there is a lot of interesting conversation happening regarding the Dorr St. dumbbell 475/23 Interchange that's scheduled for construction starting in Q3 of this year. Supposedly it will pull anywhere between 2,000-3,000 vehicles off of Secor during peak, and gives another significant University access point.

Off of Secor or Central?

Secor between Central and Bancroft, which is an absolute hell hole. This plan was put into action when the Village residents went crazy about expanding the unsafe Secor corridor. Putting an interchange at Dorr St. will allow for every commuter and employee that uses 475/23 from the south (Perrysburg, Whitehouse, Monclova, Maumee, Holland/Springfield Township, etc.) to travel straight up Dorr now instead of carrying on to Central then backtrack southbound on Secor or, in more extreme cases, going all the way to the 475 Secor interchange.

You and PaulJ work in the same promotional Dept at UT?

"Residents" means exactly that. They live there. They didn't "go crazy." A comment that comes off a bit arrogant, no? They responded reasonably and presented their concerns (and had the economice and political backing to make it real) with common sense. Any other city neighborhood and that boondoggle would have been forced down the throats so a few people could make some bucks and the people living there dealing with the scrapings.

Second, "hell hole" is what they were trying to turn it into. The stats of the parallel section of Westwood support that. Morons think "wider" is better. Engineers know that's not always true and in this case, it isn't. At worst, the trial design would have been the way to go. At best, status quo. People who feel "slowed" by Secor have and do find the several alternative routes.

The only thinking at play here, was to get hold of government money. It wasn't "safety," "logistics" or anything else first. The incredible thing is, they couldn't even keep it under their hats. They flat out said it.

The interchange at Dorr/475 will, well, I already said what it will do if someone doesn't get their heads out the azzes and first deal with Secor-Dorr-Bryne. This presuming numbers accurate as to how many would actually transfer to that corridor. It's quite a stretch and many lights from 475 to be commuting when the highway to Secor will get them much closer. But that's not even worth debate as time will answer what is correct.