(05-08-2018 10:15 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:50 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:44 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  We have away games @ NC State, Memphis, Troy, Ark State, App St. and ULL. Tough schedule indeed

GSU will likely trend in the direction App did with the jump to FBS. The years with Elliot will be a realization of what was envisioned with the kick starting of a football program. Won't be surprised if you hang tight with NC State.

Only if we had Shawn Elliott right after Bill Curry retired....our stupid former AD Cheryl Levick hired Trent Miles, who recruited FCS guys to play FBS ball. After last offseason, I think all of Miles' recruits either no longer play or transferred down to FCS schools.

edit: Upon further thoughts, Miles recruited well at WR. Albert Wilson, Robert Davis, and Penny Hart were a bunch of unknown nobodies. He just missed a lot in most other positions.

FCS guys can run roughshod on this conference, and against other conferences as App and us have demonstrated.

Miles' bigger problem was he had no idea how to recruit Georgia, poisoned the school's reputation with high schools in the state and really completely ignored all the talent in the Atlanta area. He also reached on a lot of transfers. I'm sure team chemistry was affected by the massive influx of UAB players as well.

I do agree the WR talent was probably the best area ya'll had under Miles. And he definitely found an overlooked guy in Nick Arbuckle, but that's about the extent of what he did for ya'll.

Miles was like Summers....just not a good coach.

(05-08-2018 11:01 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:48 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:35 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Crazy that Arkansas State plays the defending national champions, but still has the second easiest schedule in all of FBS.

Didn't see where they had UCF on the schedule?

We've already beaten them recently. No need to schedule them again.

Again, the joke...just keeps flying

(05-08-2018 02:41 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 10:15 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:50 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:44 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  We have away games @ NC State, Memphis, Troy, Ark State, App St. and ULL. Tough schedule indeed

GSU will likely trend in the direction App did with the jump to FBS. The years with Elliot will be a realization of what was envisioned with the kick starting of a football program. Won't be surprised if you hang tight with NC State.

Only if we had Shawn Elliott right after Bill Curry retired....our stupid former AD Cheryl Levick hired Trent Miles, who recruited FCS guys to play FBS ball. After last offseason, I think all of Miles' recruits either no longer play or transferred down to FCS schools.

edit: Upon further thoughts, Miles recruited well at WR. Albert Wilson, Robert Davis, and Penny Hart were a bunch of unknown nobodies. He just missed a lot in most other positions.

FCS guys can run roughshod on this conference, and against other conferences as App and us have demonstrated.

Miles' bigger problem was he had no idea how to recruit Georgia, poisoned the school's reputation with high schools in the state and really completely ignored all the talent in the Atlanta area. He also reached on a lot of transfers. I'm sure team chemistry was affected by the massive influx of UAB players as well.

I do agree the WR talent was probably the best area ya'll had under Miles. And he definitely found an overlooked guy in Nick Arbuckle, but that's about the extent of what he did for ya'll.

Miles was like Summers....just not a good coach.

The UAB players, specifically the secondary, is what helped keep GSU afloat, in my opinion.

We finally get an easy schedule.

We will either finally win 10 or 11 like we should do, or we will finish near the same as always under Anderson around 8 wins and pretend that's a good year because it's better than the old days.


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(05-08-2018 03:37 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 02:41 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 10:15 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:50 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:44 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  We have away games @ NC State, Memphis, Troy, Ark State, App St. and ULL. Tough schedule indeed

GSU will likely trend in the direction App did with the jump to FBS. The years with Elliot will be a realization of what was envisioned with the kick starting of a football program. Won't be surprised if you hang tight with NC State.

Only if we had Shawn Elliott right after Bill Curry retired....our stupid former AD Cheryl Levick hired Trent Miles, who recruited FCS guys to play FBS ball. After last offseason, I think all of Miles' recruits either no longer play or transferred down to FCS schools.

edit: Upon further thoughts, Miles recruited well at WR. Albert Wilson, Robert Davis, and Penny Hart were a bunch of unknown nobodies. He just missed a lot in most other positions.

FCS guys can run roughshod on this conference, and against other conferences as App and us have demonstrated.

Miles' bigger problem was he had no idea how to recruit Georgia, poisoned the school's reputation with high schools in the state and really completely ignored all the talent in the Atlanta area. He also reached on a lot of transfers. I'm sure team chemistry was affected by the massive influx of UAB players as well.

I do agree the WR talent was probably the best area ya'll had under Miles. And he definitely found an overlooked guy in Nick Arbuckle, but that's about the extent of what he did for ya'll.

Miles was like Summers....just not a good coach.

The UAB players, specifically the secondary, is what helped keep GSU afloat, in my opinion.

Only because most of them were better than what Miles had recruited at those positions.

But it doesn't change what I said about team chemistry. You have wholesale changes like that and it's going to cause issues.

Plus Miles wasn't the best at controlling the behavior of his players.

Trent Miles played WR in college so it makes sense he is an expert at finding/coaching wide receivers. I think he has the perfect gig right now as a position coach in the NFL.

I agree UAB transfers patched up some holes in our defense at the time. I didn't hear news about disciplinary problems or team chemistry so I can't confirm that. My main gripe with Miles was that he would take too many chances on high school recruits that would have no offers or 1-2 FCS offers....thank God Shawn Elliott is snagging some solid FBS talents. No need for 3 star recruits in the Atlanta area to go play football at MAC schools.

(05-08-2018 09:44 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  We have away games @ NC State, Memphis, Troy, Ark State, App St. and ULL. Tough schedule indeed.

6-6 record is the expectation but it still won't be easy. We need to win all winnable games and cant have mental mistakes like the Tenn St and Idaho games last year. Wouldn't it be interesting if we are 5-6 before hosting Georgia Southern at the end of the year?

CSE mentioned in an interview in an aside "winning a couple more games", presumably than last year. He does not seem to be expecting 6-6.

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(05-08-2018 01:25 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 12:00 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Our SoS is probably being underestimated some because UMass is going to be better than their record last year indicates.

UMass will be the surprise team in 2018. I'd wager money that they'll be bowl eligible.

Yesh, easy bet, especially after the way finished 2017.

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(05-08-2018 03:37 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 02:41 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 10:15 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:50 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:44 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  We have away games @ NC State, Memphis, Troy, Ark State, App St. and ULL. Tough schedule indeed

GSU will likely trend in the direction App did with the jump to FBS. The years with Elliot will be a realization of what was envisioned with the kick starting of a football program. Won't be surprised if you hang tight with NC State.

Only if we had Shawn Elliott right after Bill Curry retired....our stupid former AD Cheryl Levick hired Trent Miles, who recruited FCS guys to play FBS ball. After last offseason, I think all of Miles' recruits either no longer play or transferred down to FCS schools.

edit: Upon further thoughts, Miles recruited well at WR. Albert Wilson, Robert Davis, and Penny Hart were a bunch of unknown nobodies. He just missed a lot in most other positions.

FCS guys can run roughshod on this conference, and against other conferences as App and us have demonstrated.

Miles' bigger problem was he had no idea how to recruit Georgia, poisoned the school's reputation with high schools in the state and really completely ignored all the talent in the Atlanta area. He also reached on a lot of transfers. I'm sure team chemistry was affected by the massive influx of UAB players as well.

I do agree the WR talent was probably the best area ya'll had under Miles. And he definitely found an overlooked guy in Nick Arbuckle, but that's about the extent of what he did for ya'll.

Miles was like Summers....just not a good coach.

The UAB players, specifically the secondary, is what helped keep GSU afloat, in my opinion.

Wuuut?

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(05-08-2018 09:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 03:37 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 02:41 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 10:15 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:50 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  GSU will likely trend in the direction App did with the jump to FBS. The years with Elliot will be a realization of what was envisioned with the kick starting of a football program. Won't be surprised if you hang tight with NC State.

Only if we had Shawn Elliott right after Bill Curry retired....our stupid former AD Cheryl Levick hired Trent Miles, who recruited FCS guys to play FBS ball. After last offseason, I think all of Miles' recruits either no longer play or transferred down to FCS schools.

edit: Upon further thoughts, Miles recruited well at WR. Albert Wilson, Robert Davis, and Penny Hart were a bunch of unknown nobodies. He just missed a lot in most other positions.

FCS guys can run roughshod on this conference, and against other conferences as App and us have demonstrated.

Miles' bigger problem was he had no idea how to recruit Georgia, poisoned the school's reputation with high schools in the state and really completely ignored all the talent in the Atlanta area. He also reached on a lot of transfers. I'm sure team chemistry was affected by the massive influx of UAB players as well.

I do agree the WR talent was probably the best area ya'll had under Miles. And he definitely found an overlooked guy in Nick Arbuckle, but that's about the extent of what he did for ya'll.

Miles was like Summers....just not a good coach.

The UAB players, specifically the secondary, is what helped keep GSU afloat, in my opinion.

Wuuut?

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i think he meant ex-UAB guys like Bobby Baker and Alonzo McGee who started on our defense in 2015. there were few others from UAB but cant remember their names

(05-08-2018 09:45 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:44 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  We have away games @ NC State, Memphis, Troy, Ark State, App St. and ULL. Tough schedule indeed.

6-6 record is the expectation but it still won't be easy. We need to win all winnable games and cant have mental mistakes like the Tenn St and Idaho games last year. Wouldn't it be interesting if we are 5-6 before hosting Georgia Southern at the end of the year?

CSE mentioned in an interview in an aside "winning a couple more games", presumably than last year. He does not seem to be expecting 6-6.

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I hope you're right

(05-08-2018 10:05 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 03:37 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 02:41 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 10:15 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  Only if we had Shawn Elliott right after Bill Curry retired....our stupid former AD Cheryl Levick hired Trent Miles, who recruited FCS guys to play FBS ball. After last offseason, I think all of Miles' recruits either no longer play or transferred down to FCS schools.

edit: Upon further thoughts, Miles recruited well at WR. Albert Wilson, Robert Davis, and Penny Hart were a bunch of unknown nobodies. He just missed a lot in most other positions.

FCS guys can run roughshod on this conference, and against other conferences as App and us have demonstrated.

Miles' bigger problem was he had no idea how to recruit Georgia, poisoned the school's reputation with high schools in the state and really completely ignored all the talent in the Atlanta area. He also reached on a lot of transfers. I'm sure team chemistry was affected by the massive influx of UAB players as well.

I do agree the WR talent was probably the best area ya'll had under Miles. And he definitely found an overlooked guy in Nick Arbuckle, but that's about the extent of what he did for ya'll.

Miles was like Summers....just not a good coach.

The UAB players, specifically the secondary, is what helped keep GSU afloat, in my opinion.

Wuuut?

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i think he meant ex-UAB guys like Bobby Baker and Alonzo McGee who started on our defense in 2015. there were few others from UAB but cant remember their names

Sure they helped but that team also had some really good players like a spectacular QB and WR and a 4 year starter at MLB. Miles cardinal sins were having the personality of an arm chair, not holding his assistants to any standard in recruiting which soured relationships with high schools and being a horrible in game coach and lest we forget he really seemingly disliked Atlanta, the South and presumably our campus. But his staff had no problem identifying talented players. Now the fact that when they lined up said talent in a game they were very likely to call three timeouts in a row...well...another matter entirely.

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(05-08-2018 10:08 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:45 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:44 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  We have away games @ NC State, Memphis, Troy, Ark State, App St. and ULL. Tough schedule indeed.

6-6 record is the expectation but it still won't be easy. We need to win all winnable games and cant have mental mistakes like the Tenn St and Idaho games last year. Wouldn't it be interesting if we are 5-6 before hosting Georgia Southern at the end of the year?

CSE mentioned in an interview in an aside "winning a couple more games", presumably than last year. He does not seem to be expecting 6-6.

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I hope you're right

We simply as a program cannot accept or expect 6-6 any longer. That's not getting it done in this state. The fact that he recognizes that is a quantum leap from the previous guy.

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(05-08-2018 02:41 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  FCS guys can run roughshod on this conference, and against other conferences as App and us have demonstrated.

Extreme top level FCS guys can. GS and APP were at the time, the most storied and prominent programs in FCS history. The only program to match either one of you has been North Dakota State.

Once you leave the FCS Top 10, its not nearly as competitive at the FBS level.

FCS allows teams to have far fewer scholarships than the 63 max, many carry only 40-50. Remember FCS scholarships can be split. This creates a huge divide between the top 15 or so programs. That coupled with a large influx of FBS scholarships has widened that gap.

In the last ten years 12 schools have entered the FBS (ODU, App, UNCC, CCU, GS, GA ST., USA, Texas ST., WKU, USTA, UMass and Liberty).

That is over 1,000 additional FBS scholarships (likely 90%+ of those are now choosing FBS over FCS offers) and mainly in the southeast.

The FCS is just as top heavy as the FBS. It will be interesting to see how the subdivision shake out over the next 20 years, we're likely less than 10 years from an early 1980's style reshuffle.

(05-09-2018 08:58 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  FCS allows teams to have far fewer scholarships than the 63 max, many carry only 40-50. Remember FCS scholarships can be split. This creates a huge divide between the top 15 or so programs. That coupled with a large influx of FBS scholarships has widened that gap.

In the last ten years 12 schools have entered the FBS (ODU, App, UNCC, CCU, GS, GA ST., USA, Texas ST., WKU, USTA, UMass and Liberty).

That is over 1,000 additional FBS scholarships (likely 90%+ of those are now choosing FBS over FCS offers) and mainly in the southeast.

The FCS is just as top heavy as the FBS. It will be interesting to see how the subdivision shake out over the next 20 years, we're likely less than 10 years from an early 1980's style reshuffle.

Population has not been stagnant over that time so it's a wash

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You assume the the number of FBS caliber football players have kept pace the last ten years not dilute the FCS talent level. I know some programs especially in the southeast that would disagree.

The number of G5 programs from VA to Texas is up 30%+ since 2008.

(05-08-2018 10:56 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 10:26 AM)doberman1 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:48 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:35 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Crazy that Arkansas State plays the defending national champions, but still has the second easiest schedule in all of FBS.

Didn't see where they had UCF on the schedule?

That was 2016 in the Cure Bowl.

https://youtu.be/V_KYbDz7tJw

It was a comment about UCF claiming to be National Champions. I don't mind the claim, considering they beat Auburn who beat Alabama, and never got the chance to see what their undefeated record meant.

You do know when Alabama played Auburn, Auburn's star RB was injured was never the same. It is why they lost to Georgia(2nd time they played that year). After the loss in the SEC Championship game, Auburn had nothing to play for and was down their star player. Teams that lose the SEC title game usually lose the Sugar bowl in recent years.

(05-08-2018 10:05 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 03:37 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 02:41 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 10:15 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  Only if we had Shawn Elliott right after Bill Curry retired....our stupid former AD Cheryl Levick hired Trent Miles, who recruited FCS guys to play FBS ball. After last offseason, I think all of Miles' recruits either no longer play or transferred down to FCS schools.

edit: Upon further thoughts, Miles recruited well at WR. Albert Wilson, Robert Davis, and Penny Hart were a bunch of unknown nobodies. He just missed a lot in most other positions.

FCS guys can run roughshod on this conference, and against other conferences as App and us have demonstrated.

Miles' bigger problem was he had no idea how to recruit Georgia, poisoned the school's reputation with high schools in the state and really completely ignored all the talent in the Atlanta area. He also reached on a lot of transfers. I'm sure team chemistry was affected by the massive influx of UAB players as well.

I do agree the WR talent was probably the best area ya'll had under Miles. And he definitely found an overlooked guy in Nick Arbuckle, but that's about the extent of what he did for ya'll.

Miles was like Summers....just not a good coach.

The UAB players, specifically the secondary, is what helped keep GSU afloat, in my opinion.

Wuuut?

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i think he meant ex-UAB guys like Bobby Baker and Alonzo McGee who started on our defense in 2015. there were few others from UAB but cant remember their names

One of the safeties seemed to add another level of talent to the backend as well. Don't remember his name.

(05-09-2018 12:01 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 10:56 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 10:26 AM)doberman1 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:48 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:35 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Crazy that Arkansas State plays the defending national champions, but still has the second easiest schedule in all of FBS.

Didn't see where they had UCF on the schedule?

That was 2016 in the Cure Bowl.

https://youtu.be/V_KYbDz7tJw

It was a comment about UCF claiming to be National Champions. I don't mind the claim, considering they beat Auburn who beat Alabama, and never got the chance to see what their undefeated record meant.

You do know when Alabama played Auburn, Auburn's star RB was injured was never the same. It is why they lost to Georgia(2nd time they played that year). After the loss in the SEC Championship game, Auburn had nothing to play for and was down their star player. Teams that lose the SEC title game usually lose the Sugar bowl in recent years.

Are you an Auburn fan? No one asked you to rationalize it. If you want the hardware, or to not be the butt end of a joke, win.