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spectacular!

I saw similar from BG. Weren't many people but had a great view of Starbucks and the BMV.
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This is a garbage picture. No one deserves a diploma. They all went to "show up and get an 'A'" classes. No one worked hard to graduate. Their diplomas are worthless.
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(05-06-2018 08:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  This is a garbage picture. No one deserves a diploma. They all went to "show up and get an 'A'" classes. No one worked hard to graduate. Their diplomas are worthless.

03-lmfao

I really don't need help arguing my side of that debate. It stands better without your silly distortions but thanks for the conclusive evidence. And nice buzzkill of a fun thread. You could have posted your fallacies on the other thread.
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(05-06-2018 09:29 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(05-06-2018 08:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  This is a garbage picture. No one deserves a diploma. They all went to "show up and get an 'A'" classes. No one worked hard to graduate. Their diplomas are worthless.

03-lmfao

I really don't need help arguing my side of that debate. It stands better without your silly distortions but thanks for the conclusive evidence. And nice buzzkill of a fun thread. You could have posted your fallacies on the other thread.

I would tend to agree that many bachelor degrees are essentially worthless in the working world. That doesn't mean there are not bright people leaving college with degrees in areas where they may have learned a lot - but in areas that no one will pay you for that knowledge unless you continue on with your education to become a teacher/professor - or to supplement that knowledge in areas that are useful. Companies want to know what you can do to help their business - and from the time you walk in the door - the expectations are fairly high - and definitely higher than in the past when you were given time to learn and grow with a company.

One thing I am certain of - and the data is there to support it - is grade inflation is a real thing. It's like the participation trophy syndrome. I had suspected that was the case for some time when I was interviewing business degree graduates that had 3.5 (or higher) GPA's only to find out their understanding of basic accounting and finance was at best - average. And that is in an area that has a fairly high demand for graduates every year.
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(05-07-2018 02:39 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  
(05-06-2018 09:29 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(05-06-2018 08:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  This is a garbage picture. No one deserves a diploma. They all went to "show up and get an 'A'" classes. No one worked hard to graduate. Their diplomas are worthless.

03-lmfao

I really don't need help arguing my side of that debate. It stands better without your silly distortions but thanks for the conclusive evidence. And nice buzzkill of a fun thread. You could have posted your fallacies on the other thread.

I would tend to agree that many bachelor degrees are essentially worthless in the working world. That doesn't mean there are not bright people leaving college with degrees in areas where they may have learned a lot - but in areas that no one will pay you for that knowledge unless you continue on with your education to become a teacher/professor - or to supplement that knowledge in areas that are useful. Companies want to know what you can do to help their business - and from the time you walk in the door - the expectations are fairly high - and definitely higher than in the past when you were given time to learn and grow with a company.

One thing I am certain of - and the data is there to support it - is grade inflation is a real thing. It's like the participation trophy syndrome. I had suspected that was the case for some time when I was interviewing business degree graduates that had 3.5 (or higher) GPA's only to find out their understanding of basic accounting and finance was at best - average. And that is in an area that has a fairly high demand for graduates every year.

This idea of grade inflation though, doesn't in my opinion reflect on the student. They still worked more for that inflated grade presumably than the person that didn't get it. If someone is giving away candy to make themselves feel good, am I to blame for taking it? But when I see a student with one of those inflated grades not able to pass their professional test.... yikes. You want a real educational scare? Ask state that districts be required to make ready access to names of those that received Administrator licenses but were never able to pass their teacher praxis. Not a huge proportion of the total but that there are any is a bit bothersome.
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(05-07-2018 08:10 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(05-07-2018 02:39 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  
(05-06-2018 09:29 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(05-06-2018 08:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  This is a garbage picture. No one deserves a diploma. They all went to "show up and get an 'A'" classes. No one worked hard to graduate. Their diplomas are worthless.

03-lmfao

I really don't need help arguing my side of that debate. It stands better without your silly distortions but thanks for the conclusive evidence. And nice buzzkill of a fun thread. You could have posted your fallacies on the other thread.

I would tend to agree that many bachelor degrees are essentially worthless in the working world. That doesn't mean there are not bright people leaving college with degrees in areas where they may have learned a lot - but in areas that no one will pay you for that knowledge unless you continue on with your education to become a teacher/professor - or to supplement that knowledge in areas that are useful. Companies want to know what you can do to help their business - and from the time you walk in the door - the expectations are fairly high - and definitely higher than in the past when you were given time to learn and grow with a company.

One thing I am certain of - and the data is there to support it - is grade inflation is a real thing. It's like the participation trophy syndrome. I had suspected that was the case for some time when I was interviewing business degree graduates that had 3.5 (or higher) GPA's only to find out their understanding of basic accounting and finance was at best - average. And that is in an area that has a fairly high demand for graduates every year.

This idea of grade inflation though, doesn't in my opinion reflect on the student. They still worked more for that inflated grade presumably than the person that didn't get it. If someone is giving away candy to make themselves feel good, am I to blame for taking it? But when I see a student with one of those inflated grades not able to pass their professional test.... yikes. You want a real educational scare? Ask state that districts be required to make ready access to names of those that received Administrator licenses but were never able to pass their teacher praxis. Not a huge proportion of the total but that there are any is a bit bothersome.


The problem with the grade inflation in my eyes is that it is not proportional - it is additive. More students with high GPA's - but they are not well differentiated by the GPA. A kid who would have a 3.75 before is probably getting a 3.8 to 3.9 now. But students that would be a 2.8 to 3.0 are likely to be getting 3.4 to 3.6 now. The data I heard recently on a news program indicated there has been a 30% increase in GPA's. The info they provided was based on the proportion of A's, B's and C's given out now compared to 20 years ago - as well as the D's and F's. Only 10% get a D or F now. I don't remember the increase in A's assigned - but it was significant, along the lines of 40% increase (if not more).

I didn't dig too far into the information or the source of the data - but I can say that it did not surprise me based on my own experiences.
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...and Fox had another short story on it today on The Five (the "one more thing" segment) with Dana Perino (sp?) talking about the degree and Mr. Barger while showing more footage of the graduation ceremony with UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO displayed on the screen the entire time. I wonder how much that has been worth in marketing for UT when you have the #1 cable news outlet having at least 3 separate segments on it over the past 3-4 days.
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One of the points the UT President made recently as a key factor in University national rankings was the number of alumni that donate. A gift as little as $50 annually has a lot to do with university rankings. If UT graduates, or fans have any loyalty, an annual gift means a lot. It is really impressive the value on credibility UT has placed on academics. This has been a fairly recent focus that has been very successful. The value this brings to society is enormous. I am pleased to get behind this cause. There are a number of kids that come to UT for various reasons. Many, including me, have only one way to go, and that is up. UT has been that vehicle for many of us. I am so pleased to see kids from all walks of life utilizing the opportunity at UT to better their lives and families for good for forever. UT is working very hard to make this happen with a lot of dedicated people. That is something we all should get behind.
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(05-08-2018 07:44 AM)PTLROCK Wrote:  One of the points the UT President made recently as a key factor in University national rankings was the number of alumni that donate. A gift as little as $50 annually has a lot to do with university rankings. If UT graduates, or fans have any loyalty, an annual gift means a lot. It is really impressive the value on credibility UT has placed on academics. This has been a fairly recent focus that has been very successful. The value this brings to society is enormous. I am pleased to get behind this cause. There are a number of kids that come to UT for various reasons. Many, including me, have only one way to go, and that is up. UT has been that vehicle for many of us. I am so pleased to see kids from all walks of life utilizing the opportunity at UT to better their lives and families for good for forever. UT is working very hard to make this happen with a lot of dedicated people. That is something we all should get behind.

That's the difference between having an MD with little background in academic administration who embezzles money from his board as President and a Provost who cares about vases for his house more than staff workers' pay (at Akron) versus who we currently have in those roles. There is definitely a significant upturn among the staff and faculty ranks in respect for leadership here, but they've got a mountain to climb with regard to the financial hole all of the Jacobs/Scarbrough decisions left us in.
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(05-08-2018 07:44 AM)PTLROCK Wrote:  One of the points the UT President made recently as a key factor in University national rankings was the number of alumni that donate. A gift as little as $50 annually has a lot to do with university rankings. If UT graduates, or fans have any loyalty, an annual gift means a lot.

It does because it shows retained interest. It has to be a goal, keep graduates from "moving on." $10 this year, becomes $1000 and more as disposable income increases in post children years.


If a grad leaves with any bad feelings on their experiences, it quickly gets forgotten if for no other reason than no one goes into a workplace talking about how badly educated they were. Heck, Columbus St made a career of putting out LARGE numbers of mediocre graduates and thanks to a football team (they admit this) kept that loyalty, used those donations to grow the academics until they are legitimately, a reasonably good school.

(05-08-2018 07:44 AM)PTLROCK Wrote:  It is really impressive the value on credibility UT has placed on academics. This has been a fairly recent focus that has been very successful.

Beyond words, what have they done? Only graduate improvement on professional tests, something with direct comparison to other universities will support your statement. Until then, it's smoke and mirrors and this is why I say the University does not want to put promotion into the Athletic GPA thing. It has zero unbiased sources and is too easily challenged thanks to common reason but supported by this rankings fiasco.

Athletes do not call themselves better when not based upon direct competition. The university/AD department should not be doing it for them. It's bad form and a terrible arrogance.

As is, the only ones the athletes can claim to be academically better than are their fellow students. And THAT's bad for general population morale because the general population student does not have access to the same extensive resources they are paying for.

What I'm being called "a-hole" for pointing out, is something that's going to cause adverse reaction against athletics. Bothersome that some can't see that through the rose colored glasses. But given that, go ask the students. There is backlash coming.

People need to think the perspectives of those who are the lifeblood of the university, the entirety of the student population. Not just a small segment.
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