(05-08-2018 03:16 PM)eastisbest Wrote: (05-08-2018 08:51 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: (05-07-2018 08:02 PM)eastisbest Wrote: (05-04-2018 01:17 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: Toledo has always been one of the best in terms of athletics academics. What MO'B and the staff in Larimer have done in recent years is extremely commendable...I believe UT was one of only 9 schools in NCAA Division I to have an APR score above 970 in every sport over the last 5 years.
Without rehashing the entire point of GPA relativity, the additional resources for that "success" are paid for by one of the higher student fees in the state, no?
There's movement on this issue. Statewide and on campus. I'm just the messenger.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT: While the athletic Dept. or the university might choose to promote this team GPA in order to recruit or glad hand some pay raises, to other students it might (well, does) say, how much better they might be able to perform with access to the same resources. These are resources the general student pays for and has no access to. Correct and fair?
And the university is also considering return to "athletic dorms." Do I recall that correctly?
you're way off base in your assumption of "athletics dorms' becoming a thing again.
I'm "way off base" to ask a question of clarification? Or did you mistake a "?" for an "assumption?"
"PODS" from the perspective of other students, the ones paying the fees, you think that might be seen as just a bit of semantics? Rhetorical. We know they would. Okay then, Athletic "Pods" instead of "dorms."
"Fees" I've seen everywhere from fifth from the bottom to near the top. What seems a general trend is "fees" becoming a larger percentage of the bottom line to keep the programs afloat.
I'll repeat the question.
Is it fair to say, those fees help pay for the extra academic support available to athletes, additional support sources NOT provided to the general population? Correct or not, what do you think the belief is amongst the general student population?
Unawareness and apathy. Very few of the students care either way honestly. You can look up the full University Budgetary Allocation to see, but I believe a majority of the student fees go towards the operations and facilities maintenance, not the staff positions (could be wrong, but that's how it was in the past). I know there was previous legislation within the OBOR that stated the AD's had to provide scholarship funding from their own coffers first, so the scholarship side of things is typically handled from the operational revenue not student fees (outside of Akron, where their operational revenue is damn near zero).
Also...the athletic pods are the same as every other Living Learning Community that any student can choose to live in for their major or involvement...so yeah, you're off base in thinking things are different for athletes there.
Lastly, the Student-Athlete Academic Services Office has two advisors and a tutoring coordinator in it...so three full-time staff. Roughly $120,000 made between the three of them per year. That's $6.50/year from every student (if they're even funded from general fees, I would need to check the Allocation to be certain)...again, I don't think they care. To compare, there are advisors for literally every department on campus, the Learning Enhancement Center, and every student has success coaches as well, so every student on campus has the same exact support that athletes do....they simply aren't required to utilize them in order to remain a student athlete, so they don't see the benefits the way the athletes do (good point PaulJ). The bulk of the student fee goes towards facilities maintenance and operations, not the academic services, so this is kind of a moot point.
To add to your other point on the reply to PaulJ, all academic advising positions have the exact same salary range and minimum requirements across the board at UT, so there is no difference in incentive to "get the best". There were 112 applicants for the last Success Coaching job in the University College (general population) and only 22 for the last academic advising job in OSAAS, so once again, no, there is not an increase in competition. There is also much more work on their end as the Athletics Compliance Office is a much more needy beast than most Student Services Offices in the colleges...but again, this is just actual information and not opinion, so it may not be relevant in this discussion.