(05-03-2018 09:09 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt says the Orlando sentinel will have fau at 112

I was thinking the same lol

(05-03-2018 12:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Kiffin can coach circles around ANY OTHER COACH in this conference. He ran through this conference with a team that was just plain awful in previous seasons. The players didn't suddenly become more talented......they just became well-coached. FAU wasn't the most talented team in the conference and they won't be this year either. But good coaching and knowing how to use players based on their respective skill sets is often paramount to pure talent, especially in a conference like this. The talent gap among teams in this conference is not large......it isn't like say......Alabama and Vanderbilt or Clemson and Wake Forest. The gap in pure talent between say......UTEP and FAU is not nearly as wide as that of Alabama and Vanderbilt. The main difference is coaching. UTEP hasn't had a competent football coach in years and it shows. Before Kiffin, FAU was similar.

A repeat conference championship is all but inevitable for FAU. He makes other coaches look completely clueless.

I agree with almost everything you say...but the talent assessment. Coach Partridge did a great job of recruiting and brought in some really talented players that he couldn't get to perform to the best of their abilities, hence him getting fired after 3 years. Kiffin would not have had the season he had last year without the players Charlie left him. Interestingly, Kiffin complimented Charlie almost every week with the culture and character of the players he left behind. Even said that they exchanged weekly text messages. It wouldn't surprise me to see Partridge work for Kiffin somewhere down the road.

(05-03-2018 12:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Kiffin can coach circles around ANY OTHER COACH in this conference. He ran through this conference with a team that was just plain awful in previous seasons. The players didn't suddenly become more talented......they just became well-coached. FAU wasn't the most talented team in the conference and they won't be this year either. But good coaching and knowing how to use players based on their respective skill sets is often paramount to pure talent, especially in a conference like this. The talent gap among teams in this conference is not large......it isn't like say......Alabama and Vanderbilt or Clemson and Wake Forest. The gap in pure talent between say......UTEP and FAU is not nearly as wide as that of Alabama and Vanderbilt. The main difference is coaching. UTEP hasn't had a competent football coach in years and it shows. Before Kiffin, FAU was similar.

A repeat conference championship is all but inevitable for FAU. He makes other coaches look completely clueless.

By far the most talented school this year.
Our secondary 2 deep would start over anyone else in this conference.
Two future draft picks at LB.
Motor is the most dynamic player in this conference.
Charlie recruited really well when he was here, but the combination of not being a great coach and playing a very young team.
We only lost 4 starters from last year team and one was a GT. It shows in 2016 we were just trying to win with a bunch of RS FR and sophmores

FAU over the last 4 years has had the highest avg of 247 composite rankings in C-USA and this does not include the transfers Lane has brought in.

(05-03-2018 02:32 PM)odufansam Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 02:21 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Honestly the guy probably laughs during film study of opposing defenses in this conference.

Ha. Too true. Well deserved though in my opinion. I never thought that FAU didn't have talent on the field. With how they played after the Buffalo game last season, its hard to argue that they don't belong in the conversation. The ranking is probably too high, but that Akron game was embarrassing and left a lasting impression with all the pollsters.

His team improved from game to game, which is something Southern Miss never does.

Congrats to CUSA and FAU, I actually think that CUSA has has been playing every bit as well as the MWC some years. Take out Boise and you guys are arguably a better conference top to bottom

(05-04-2018 10:02 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 12:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Kiffin can coach circles around ANY OTHER COACH in this conference. He ran through this conference with a team that was just plain awful in previous seasons. The players didn't suddenly become more talented......they just became well-coached. FAU wasn't the most talented team in the conference and they won't be this year either. But good coaching and knowing how to use players based on their respective skill sets is often paramount to pure talent, especially in a conference like this. The talent gap among teams in this conference is not large......it isn't like say......Alabama and Vanderbilt or Clemson and Wake Forest. The gap in pure talent between say......UTEP and FAU is not nearly as wide as that of Alabama and Vanderbilt. The main difference is coaching. UTEP hasn't had a competent football coach in years and it shows. Before Kiffin, FAU was similar.

A repeat conference championship is all but inevitable for FAU. He makes other coaches look completely clueless.

By far the most talented school this year.
Our secondary 2 deep would start over anyone else in this conference.
Two future draft picks at LB.
Motor is the most dynamic player in this conference.

Nope.
You really think you'd be saying that same thing if you hired a bad coach with the same players and went 4-8 last year? Kiffin has made them BETTER.

Good coaches get more out of their players because they know how to best use them. It isn't a coincidence. It's not like FAU has ever been great at recruiting. Their recruiting is middling like everyone else in this conference. Let's be honest with ourselves.

(05-04-2018 11:16 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 02:32 PM)odufansam Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 02:21 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Honestly the guy probably laughs during film study of opposing defenses in this conference.

Ha. Too true. Well deserved though in my opinion. I never thought that FAU didn't have talent on the field. With how they played after the Buffalo game last season, its hard to argue that they don't belong in the conversation. The ranking is probably too high, but that Akron game was embarrassing and left a lasting impression with all the pollsters.

His team improved from game to game, which is something Southern Miss never does.

You are right, our coach just has them playing as good as they can to start the season.

(05-04-2018 12:34 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 10:02 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 12:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Kiffin can coach circles around ANY OTHER COACH in this conference. He ran through this conference with a team that was just plain awful in previous seasons. The players didn't suddenly become more talented......they just became well-coached. FAU wasn't the most talented team in the conference and they won't be this year either. But good coaching and knowing how to use players based on their respective skill sets is often paramount to pure talent, especially in a conference like this. The talent gap among teams in this conference is not large......it isn't like say......Alabama and Vanderbilt or Clemson and Wake Forest. The gap in pure talent between say......UTEP and FAU is not nearly as wide as that of Alabama and Vanderbilt. The main difference is coaching. UTEP hasn't had a competent football coach in years and it shows. Before Kiffin, FAU was similar.

A repeat conference championship is all but inevitable for FAU. He makes other coaches look completely clueless.

By far the most talented school this year.
Our secondary 2 deep would start over anyone else in this conference.
Two future draft picks at LB.
Motor is the most dynamic player in this conference.

Nope.
You really think you'd be saying that same thing if you hired a bad coach with the same players and went 4-8 last year? Kiffin has made them BETTER.

Good coaches get more out of their players because they know how to best use them. It isn't a coincidence. It's not like FAU has ever been great at recruiting. Their recruiting is middling like everyone else in this conference. Let's be honest with ourselves.

No it has not. I did the math FAU over the last 4 years has the highest per player average in the conference.
Since 2015 We have finished 2nd,3rd 1st and 4th when we only took 16 players.
You need to be honest with yourself another Florida school has passed old has been USM.

(05-04-2018 01:24 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 12:34 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 10:02 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 12:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Kiffin can coach circles around ANY OTHER COACH in this conference. He ran through this conference with a team that was just plain awful in previous seasons. The players didn't suddenly become more talented......they just became well-coached. FAU wasn't the most talented team in the conference and they won't be this year either. But good coaching and knowing how to use players based on their respective skill sets is often paramount to pure talent, especially in a conference like this. The talent gap among teams in this conference is not large......it isn't like say......Alabama and Vanderbilt or Clemson and Wake Forest. The gap in pure talent between say......UTEP and FAU is not nearly as wide as that of Alabama and Vanderbilt. The main difference is coaching. UTEP hasn't had a competent football coach in years and it shows. Before Kiffin, FAU was similar.

A repeat conference championship is all but inevitable for FAU. He makes other coaches look completely clueless.

By far the most talented school this year.
Our secondary 2 deep would start over anyone else in this conference.
Two future draft picks at LB.
Motor is the most dynamic player in this conference.

Nope.
You really think you'd be saying that same thing if you hired a bad coach with the same players and went 4-8 last year? Kiffin has made them BETTER.

Good coaches get more out of their players because they know how to best use them. It isn't a coincidence. It's not like FAU has ever been great at recruiting. Their recruiting is middling like everyone else in this conference. Let's be honest with ourselves.

You need to be honest with yourself another Florida school has passed old has been USM.

I just said y'all would breeze by the conference this year, goofball.

At the same time, Lane Kiffin is the sole reason for FAU's success. Don't be naive and think otherwise. He turned around a perenial cellar-dweller in one year.

(05-04-2018 02:53 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 01:24 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 12:34 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 10:02 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 12:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Kiffin can coach circles around ANY OTHER COACH in this conference. He ran through this conference with a team that was just plain awful in previous seasons. The players didn't suddenly become more talented......they just became well-coached. FAU wasn't the most talented team in the conference and they won't be this year either. But good coaching and knowing how to use players based on their respective skill sets is often paramount to pure talent, especially in a conference like this. The talent gap among teams in this conference is not large......it isn't like say......Alabama and Vanderbilt or Clemson and Wake Forest. The gap in pure talent between say......UTEP and FAU is not nearly as wide as that of Alabama and Vanderbilt. The main difference is coaching. UTEP hasn't had a competent football coach in years and it shows. Before Kiffin, FAU was similar.

A repeat conference championship is all but inevitable for FAU. He makes other coaches look completely clueless.

By far the most talented school this year.
Our secondary 2 deep would start over anyone else in this conference.
Two future draft picks at LB.
Motor is the most dynamic player in this conference.

Nope.
You really think you'd be saying that same thing if you hired a bad coach with the same players and went 4-8 last year? Kiffin has made them BETTER.

Good coaches get more out of their players because they know how to best use them. It isn't a coincidence. It's not like FAU has ever been great at recruiting. Their recruiting is middling like everyone else in this conference. Let's be honest with ourselves.

You need to be honest with yourself another Florida school has passed old has been USM.

I just said y'all would breeze by the conference this year, goofball.

At the same time, Lane Kiffin is the sole reason for FAU's success. Don't be naive and think otherwise. He turned around a perenial cellar-dweller in one year.

Which says he had talent on the roster that was not performing under the prior coach. Kiffin is getting a ton of credit and no one is disappointed down here with what he has done, but even Kiffin has said when you take over a 3 years in a row 3 win team the cupboard is bare which he said was not the case when he got here.

More power to him if he can repeat last year.

Amazing what having the financial resources to pay coaches close to the level of a low P5 can do. This is good for CUSA, and tough if you're in CUSA east.

(05-04-2018 02:53 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 01:24 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 12:34 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 10:02 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 12:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Kiffin can coach circles around ANY OTHER COACH in this conference. He ran through this conference with a team that was just plain awful in previous seasons. The players didn't suddenly become more talented......they just became well-coached. FAU wasn't the most talented team in the conference and they won't be this year either. But good coaching and knowing how to use players based on their respective skill sets is often paramount to pure talent, especially in a conference like this. The talent gap among teams in this conference is not large......it isn't like say......Alabama and Vanderbilt or Clemson and Wake Forest. The gap in pure talent between say......UTEP and FAU is not nearly as wide as that of Alabama and Vanderbilt. The main difference is coaching. UTEP hasn't had a competent football coach in years and it shows. Before Kiffin, FAU was similar.

A repeat conference championship is all but inevitable for FAU. He makes other coaches look completely clueless.

By far the most talented school this year.
Our secondary 2 deep would start over anyone else in this conference.
Two future draft picks at LB.
Motor is the most dynamic player in this conference.

Nope.
You really think you'd be saying that same thing if you hired a bad coach with the same players and went 4-8 last year? Kiffin has made them BETTER.

Good coaches get more out of their players because they know how to best use them. It isn't a coincidence. It's not like FAU has ever been great at recruiting. Their recruiting is middling like everyone else in this conference. Let's be honest with ourselves.

You need to be honest with yourself another Florida school has passed old has been USM.

I just said y'all would breeze by the conference this year, goofball.

At the same time, Lane Kiffin is the sole reason for FAU's success. Don't be naive and think otherwise. He turned around a perenial cellar-dweller in one year.

How is having a few bad seasons make you a perenial cellar-dweller?
We have not had a program long enough to be perenial anything. Since FAU joined C-USA USM is three games better than FAU with both being under .500.
USM fan do not want to accept we are passing them as a program.
Better Stadium, better recruiting bigger budget, better falcilties.

In 20 years USM fans will be fighting with Florida Tech fans about how rich the USM history is as your coaches bail to that school.

(05-04-2018 04:08 PM)monarx Wrote:  Amazing what having the financial resources to pay coaches close to the level of a low P5 can do. This is good for CUSA, and tough if you're in CUSA east.

We are lucky to have a president who is all in on Athletics and some large donors.

(05-04-2018 04:08 PM)monarx Wrote:  Amazing what having the financial resources to pay coaches close to the level of a low P5 can do. This is good for CUSA, and tough if you're in CUSA east.

Who's paying their coach anywhere close to a P5 coach? Even a low one. Lane Kiffin is only 3rd in CUSA with 950k

The lowest in the
ACC is 1.8
Big 12 1.6
Big10 1.8
Pac12 1.6
SEC 1.1 (miss) next is 2.3

(05-03-2018 12:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Kiffin can coach circles around ANY OTHER COACH in this conference. He ran through this conference with a team that was just plain awful in previous seasons. The players didn't suddenly become more talented......they just became well-coached. FAU wasn't the most talented team in the conference and they won't be this year either. But good coaching and knowing how to use players based on their respective skill sets is often paramount to pure talent, especially in a conference like this. The talent gap among teams in this conference is not large......it isn't like say......Alabama and Vanderbilt or Clemson and Wake Forest. The gap in pure talent between say......UTEP and FAU is not nearly as wide as that of Alabama and Vanderbilt. The main difference is coaching. UTEP hasn't had a competent football coach in years and it shows. Before Kiffin, FAU was similar.

A repeat conference championship is all but inevitable for FAU. He makes other coaches look completely clueless.

Our team was never bad, our coaches were purely incompetent. We actually have been the most talented team in the conference for a while. Our avg recruit rankings are usually towards the top of CUSA if not #1.

2015 - CUSA Avg Recruit Rank #3
2016 - CUSA Avg Recruit Rank #2
2017 - CUSA Avg Recruit Rank #1
2018 - CUSA Avg Recruit Rank #1

The last two classes were both Lane, but to say our team wasn’t talented is a lie. I watched every game and I know bad coaching when I see it. We made terrible second half adjustments after the opposing coaches figured us out. We blew so many 2-3 touchdown leads in the second half it was disgusting. We had Alabama tied at half, we lost by 40. We had Florida down by 3 at half, we lose in OT. We had UM tied at half, we lost by 30. I watched Middle Tennessee, ODU, Marshall, Ball State, and UTEP beat us in the last 4 minutes of the game. The coaches were bad, not the players.

It’s just no fun when I can’t trash talk FAU.

(05-04-2018 11:47 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  It’s just no fun when I can’t trash talk FAU.

Patience grasshopper. Kiffin is FAU football right now. He will be gone in short order, then we'll find out if they have an actual program or just had a once in a life time chance to snag a great coach.

(05-05-2018 09:47 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 11:47 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  It’s just no fun when I can’t trash talk FAU.

Patience grasshopper. Kiffin is FAU football right now. He will be gone in short order, then we'll find out if they have an actual program or just had a once in a life time chance to snag a great coach.

That apparently is the only thing you can hope for...is that he won't be here that long. He's already been here double the time most people predicted. If he leaves next year we will say thank you and good luck. The difference with the next hire is: 1) we started construction on an academic center and football offices; 2) the board has been shown that you can't go cheap with the coaching staff. We paid a fair salary for Kiffin and more importantly we paid the assistant coaches. We didn't do that for Charlie or any previous coach. The next hire will have the correct financial resources allocated to them. Of course any new hire there will be risk, see WKU. But maybe that's next years problem or 2 years from now. In the mean time we are enjoying the ride.