Trying something new this year in collecting the data from Sports Media Watch. I am going to give the conference data from a few different perspectives:

2017 Conference Games
(excluding games aired on ESPNU and FS2 since three other conferences have those type of games on their networks which are not metered)

SEC - 37 games; 137.738 million viewers; 3.723 million per game
B10 - 40 games; 131.083 million viewers; 3.277 million per game
ACC - 27 games; 63.343 million viewers; 2.346 million per game
B12 - 34 games; 57.594 million viewers; 1.694 million per game
PAC - 34 games; 51.535 million viewers; 1.516 million per game

2017 Conference TV Contract Games
(excludes conference Mirror Games - 4 games total which involve the B12 in all 4, the ACC which participated in 3, and the PAC which was in 1; includes conference games aired on ESPNU and FS2; and also includes OOC games at the conference's home arena or if played at a neutral site included in both conferences totals if network airing the game made it difficult to determine which conference should receive credit for it)

SEC - 57 games; 184.741 million viewers; 3.241 million per game
B10 - 54 games; 162.254 million viewers; 3.004 million per game
ACC - 46 games; 109.084 million viewers; 2.371 million per game
PAC - 45 games; 72.092 million viewers; 1.602 million per game
B12 - 46 games; 70.320 million viewers; 1.529 million per game

ALL games shown CBS, ABC, FOX, NBC, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, ESPNU, FS2
(Includes Mirror Games assigning each conference half of the total viewers)

SEC - 62 games; 199.484 million viewers; 3.217 million per game
B10 - 63 games; 180.705 million viewers; 2.868 million per game
ACC - 58 games; 135.085 million viewers; 2.329 million per game
B12 - 57 games; 96.587 million viewers; 1.695 million per game
PAC - 51 games; 82.394 million viewers; 1.616 million per game

The second set of data was what I have reported back last year for all 5 conference and the year before last for just the ACC and B12. The first and third data sets were added based upon comments received from last year's posts.

As always, I am sure there are a couple of minor errors (there always are), but per usual, I doubt any error I made will have much of an overall impact.

Am working on getting the last four years worth of data similar to the above as well as after that make an attempt at looking at institution by institution (although I will probably limit that part to the Kings and Barons).

Cheers,
Neil

(04-18-2018 03:41 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Trying something new this year in collecting the data from Sports Media Watch. I am going to give the conference data from a few different perspectives:

2017 Conference Games
(excluding games aired on ESPNU and FS2 since three other conferences have those type of games on their networks which are not metered)

SEC - 37 games; 137.738 million viewers; 3.723 million per game
B10 - 40 games; 131.083 million viewers; 3.277 million per game
ACC - 27 games; 63.343 million viewers; 2.346 million per game
B12 - 34 games; 57.594 million viewers; 1.694 million per game
PAC - 34 games; 51.535 million viewers; 1.516 million per game

2017 Conference TV Contract Games
(excludes conference Mirror Games - 4 games total which involve the B12 in all 4, the ACC which participated in 3, and the PAC which was in 1; includes conference games aired on ESPNU and FS2; and also includes OOC games at the conference's home arena or if played at a neutral site included in both conferences totals if network airing the game made it difficult to determine which conference should receive credit for it)

SEC - 57 games; 184.741 million viewers; 3.241 million per game
B10 - 54 games; 162.254 million viewers; 3.004 million per game
ACC - 46 games; 109.084 million viewers; 2.371 million per game
PAC - 45 games; 72.092 million viewers; 1.602 million per game
B12 - 46 games; 70.320 million viewers; 1.529 million per game

ALL games shown CBS, ABC, FOX, NBC, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, ESPNU, FS2
(Includes Mirror Games assigning each conference half of the total viewers)

SEC - 62 games; 199.484 million viewers; 3.217 million per game
B10 - 63 games; 180.705 million viewers; 2.868 million per game
ACC - 58 games; 135.085 million viewers; 2.329 million per game
B12 - 57 games; 96.587 million viewers; 1.695 million per game
PAC - 51 games; 82.394 million viewers; 1.616 million per game

The second set of data was what I have reported back last year for all 5 conference and the year before last for just the ACC and B12. The first and third data sets were added based upon comments received from last year's posts.

As always, I am sure there are a couple of minor errors (there always are), but per usual, I doubt any error I made will have much of an overall impact.

Am working on getting the last four years worth of data similar to the above as well as after that make an attempt at looking at institution by institution (although I will probably limit that part to the Kings and Barons).

Cheers,
Neil

If these numbers are correct, there is absolutely no way that the B12 or Pac12 should be making more TV money than the ACC. The ACC audiances dominate those leagues in every category, by a lot. Its a travesty that they are making more tv money.

(04-18-2018 05:18 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 03:41 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Trying something new this year in collecting the data from Sports Media Watch. I am going to give the conference data from a few different perspectives:

2017 Conference Games
(excluding games aired on ESPNU and FS2 since three other conferences have those type of games on their networks which are not metered)

SEC - 37 games; 137.738 million viewers; 3.723 million per game
B10 - 40 games; 131.083 million viewers; 3.277 million per game
ACC - 27 games; 63.343 million viewers; 2.346 million per game
B12 - 34 games; 57.594 million viewers; 1.694 million per game
PAC - 34 games; 51.535 million viewers; 1.516 million per game

2017 Conference TV Contract Games
(excludes conference Mirror Games - 4 games total which involve the B12 in all 4, the ACC which participated in 3, and the PAC which was in 1; includes conference games aired on ESPNU and FS2; and also includes OOC games at the conference's home arena or if played at a neutral site included in both conferences totals if network airing the game made it difficult to determine which conference should receive credit for it)

SEC - 57 games; 184.741 million viewers; 3.241 million per game
B10 - 54 games; 162.254 million viewers; 3.004 million per game
ACC - 46 games; 109.084 million viewers; 2.371 million per game
PAC - 45 games; 72.092 million viewers; 1.602 million per game
B12 - 46 games; 70.320 million viewers; 1.529 million per game

ALL games shown CBS, ABC, FOX, NBC, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, ESPNU, FS2
(Includes Mirror Games assigning each conference half of the total viewers)

SEC - 62 games; 199.484 million viewers; 3.217 million per game
B10 - 63 games; 180.705 million viewers; 2.868 million per game
ACC - 58 games; 135.085 million viewers; 2.329 million per game
B12 - 57 games; 96.587 million viewers; 1.695 million per game
PAC - 51 games; 82.394 million viewers; 1.616 million per game

The second set of data was what I have reported back last year for all 5 conference and the year before last for just the ACC and B12. The first and third data sets were added based upon comments received from last year's posts.

As always, I am sure there are a couple of minor errors (there always are), but per usual, I doubt any error I made will have much of an overall impact.

Am working on getting the last four years worth of data similar to the above as well as after that make an attempt at looking at institution by institution (although I will probably limit that part to the Kings and Barons).

Cheers,
Neil

If these numbers are correct, there is absolutely no way that the B12 or Pac12 should be making more TV money than the ACC. The ACC audiances dominate those leagues in every category, by a lot. Its a travesty that they are making more tv money.

True. Very bad initial contract with ESPN. VERY bad.

(04-18-2018 05:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 05:18 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 03:41 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Trying something new this year in collecting the data from Sports Media Watch. I am going to give the conference data from a few different perspectives:

2017 Conference Games
(excluding games aired on ESPNU and FS2 since three other conferences have those type of games on their networks which are not metered)

SEC - 37 games; 137.738 million viewers; 3.723 million per game
B10 - 40 games; 131.083 million viewers; 3.277 million per game
ACC - 27 games; 63.343 million viewers; 2.346 million per game
B12 - 34 games; 57.594 million viewers; 1.694 million per game
PAC - 34 games; 51.535 million viewers; 1.516 million per game

2017 Conference TV Contract Games
(excludes conference Mirror Games - 4 games total which involve the B12 in all 4, the ACC which participated in 3, and the PAC which was in 1; includes conference games aired on ESPNU and FS2; and also includes OOC games at the conference's home arena or if played at a neutral site included in both conferences totals if network airing the game made it difficult to determine which conference should receive credit for it)

SEC - 57 games; 184.741 million viewers; 3.241 million per game
B10 - 54 games; 162.254 million viewers; 3.004 million per game
ACC - 46 games; 109.084 million viewers; 2.371 million per game
PAC - 45 games; 72.092 million viewers; 1.602 million per game
B12 - 46 games; 70.320 million viewers; 1.529 million per game

ALL games shown CBS, ABC, FOX, NBC, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, ESPNU, FS2
(Includes Mirror Games assigning each conference half of the total viewers)

SEC - 62 games; 199.484 million viewers; 3.217 million per game
B10 - 63 games; 180.705 million viewers; 2.868 million per game
ACC - 58 games; 135.085 million viewers; 2.329 million per game
B12 - 57 games; 96.587 million viewers; 1.695 million per game
PAC - 51 games; 82.394 million viewers; 1.616 million per game

The second set of data was what I have reported back last year for all 5 conference and the year before last for just the ACC and B12. The first and third data sets were added based upon comments received from last year's posts.

As always, I am sure there are a couple of minor errors (there always are), but per usual, I doubt any error I made will have much of an overall impact.

Am working on getting the last four years worth of data similar to the above as well as after that make an attempt at looking at institution by institution (although I will probably limit that part to the Kings and Barons).

Cheers,
Neil

If these numbers are correct, there is absolutely no way that the B12 or Pac12 should be making more TV money than the ACC. The ACC audiances dominate those leagues in every category, by a lot. Its a travesty that they are making more tv money.

True. Very bad initial contract with ESPN. VERY bad.

I never understood when some debated that the previous contracts were decent, the ACC negotiated some terrible TV contracts with ESPN.

(04-18-2018 05:18 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 03:41 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Trying something new this year in collecting the data from Sports Media Watch. I am going to give the conference data from a few different perspectives:

2017 Conference Games
(excluding games aired on ESPNU and FS2 since three other conferences have those type of games on their networks which are not metered)

SEC - 37 games; 137.738 million viewers; 3.723 million per game
B10 - 40 games; 131.083 million viewers; 3.277 million per game
ACC - 27 games; 63.343 million viewers; 2.346 million per game
B12 - 34 games; 57.594 million viewers; 1.694 million per game
PAC - 34 games; 51.535 million viewers; 1.516 million per game

2017 Conference TV Contract Games
(excludes conference Mirror Games - 4 games total which involve the B12 in all 4, the ACC which participated in 3, and the PAC which was in 1; includes conference games aired on ESPNU and FS2; and also includes OOC games at the conference's home arena or if played at a neutral site included in both conferences totals if network airing the game made it difficult to determine which conference should receive credit for it)

SEC - 57 games; 184.741 million viewers; 3.241 million per game
B10 - 54 games; 162.254 million viewers; 3.004 million per game
ACC - 46 games; 109.084 million viewers; 2.371 million per game
PAC - 45 games; 72.092 million viewers; 1.602 million per game
B12 - 46 games; 70.320 million viewers; 1.529 million per game

ALL games shown CBS, ABC, FOX, NBC, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, ESPNU, FS2
(Includes Mirror Games assigning each conference half of the total viewers)

SEC - 62 games; 199.484 million viewers; 3.217 million per game
B10 - 63 games; 180.705 million viewers; 2.868 million per game
ACC - 58 games; 135.085 million viewers; 2.329 million per game
B12 - 57 games; 96.587 million viewers; 1.695 million per game
PAC - 51 games; 82.394 million viewers; 1.616 million per game

The second set of data was what I have reported back last year for all 5 conference and the year before last for just the ACC and B12. The first and third data sets were added based upon comments received from last year's posts.

As always, I am sure there are a couple of minor errors (there always are), but per usual, I doubt any error I made will have much of an overall impact.

Am working on getting the last four years worth of data similar to the above as well as after that make an attempt at looking at institution by institution (although I will probably limit that part to the Kings and Barons).

Cheers,
Neil

If these numbers are correct, there is absolutely no way that the B12 or Pac12 should be making more TV money than the ACC. The ACC audiances dominate those leagues in every category, by a lot. Its a travesty that they are making more tv money.

Hail cuseroc,

Yes, they are "correct" in the sense they tell a "true" story. Although again, I am sure there is a slight error here or there - usually orangefan finds them for me after I initially post them - then we compare notes and correct each other to get to a final version which never impacts the conclusions drawn from the data.

And yes, it is frustrating that the tv contract is what it is, especially in comparison with the B12 and PAC. But I suspect ESPN will likely want a 7-10 year trend to adjust via a look-in.

The past 4 years of data will support it and will likely to continue to support in the upcoming years.

Cheers,
Neil

(04-18-2018 05:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 05:18 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 03:41 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Trying something new this year in collecting the data from Sports Media Watch. I am going to give the conference data from a few different perspectives:

2017 Conference Games
(excluding games aired on ESPNU and FS2 since three other conferences have those type of games on their networks which are not metered)

SEC - 37 games; 137.738 million viewers; 3.723 million per game
B10 - 40 games; 131.083 million viewers; 3.277 million per game
ACC - 27 games; 63.343 million viewers; 2.346 million per game
B12 - 34 games; 57.594 million viewers; 1.694 million per game
PAC - 34 games; 51.535 million viewers; 1.516 million per game

2017 Conference TV Contract Games
(excludes conference Mirror Games - 4 games total which involve the B12 in all 4, the ACC which participated in 3, and the PAC which was in 1; includes conference games aired on ESPNU and FS2; and also includes OOC games at the conference's home arena or if played at a neutral site included in both conferences totals if network airing the game made it difficult to determine which conference should receive credit for it)

SEC - 57 games; 184.741 million viewers; 3.241 million per game
B10 - 54 games; 162.254 million viewers; 3.004 million per game
ACC - 46 games; 109.084 million viewers; 2.371 million per game
PAC - 45 games; 72.092 million viewers; 1.602 million per game
B12 - 46 games; 70.320 million viewers; 1.529 million per game

ALL games shown CBS, ABC, FOX, NBC, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, ESPNU, FS2
(Includes Mirror Games assigning each conference half of the total viewers)

SEC - 62 games; 199.484 million viewers; 3.217 million per game
B10 - 63 games; 180.705 million viewers; 2.868 million per game
ACC - 58 games; 135.085 million viewers; 2.329 million per game
B12 - 57 games; 96.587 million viewers; 1.695 million per game
PAC - 51 games; 82.394 million viewers; 1.616 million per game

The second set of data was what I have reported back last year for all 5 conference and the year before last for just the ACC and B12. The first and third data sets were added based upon comments received from last year's posts.

As always, I am sure there are a couple of minor errors (there always are), but per usual, I doubt any error I made will have much of an overall impact.

Am working on getting the last four years worth of data similar to the above as well as after that make an attempt at looking at institution by institution (although I will probably limit that part to the Kings and Barons).

Cheers,
Neil

If these numbers are correct, there is absolutely no way that the B12 or Pac12 should be making more TV money than the ACC. The ACC audiances dominate those leagues in every category, by a lot. Its a travesty that they are making more tv money.

True. Very bad initial contract with ESPN. VERY bad.

Yep, and that contract negotiated in 2010 has been upped twice since then, once when Pitt and SU were added and then again when ND was added as a partial.

Cheers,
Neil

"Hey guys!"

As the old saying goes Hindsight is always 20/20.
The ACC was hardly bargaining from a position of strength the last go round. The conference Swofford took to market the last contract isn't the same conference he's selling today.

Perhaps its my 37 years of business experience but I tend to look at it as ESPN got a hell of a deal and we use that to our advantage this time round. I have set across the table in many a contract negotiation and almost never, personal or professional, felt like I got everything I wanted when the negotiations were concluded.

I haven't read through the details of the contract in some time but if I believe Swofford (and ACC Presidents) took the smaller pay-outs last time round for concessions concerning The ACC Network. Just a hunch but I believe ACC leadership played the long game and look to be successful doing it.

Let me offer an opposite scenario. Let's pretend that looking at Neil's numbers that Swofford had gotten The ACC a deal worth more per team every year than The Big 12 got. Not sure what that was but let's say a couple million more a year and no assurances of a conference network or no promise of a payment if there wasn't one.

It's now 2018 Swofford is preparing to go to market.

1. Is ACC stability an issue?
2. Is there a GOR in place? Not sure because its been widely reported that ESPN wanted a GOR before agreeing to a network.
3. Changing business climate does ESPN risk an ACC Network?

A lot of questions.....

My point its easy to sit now and say well The Big 12 makes more with crap. I agree, no doubt. Again I believe The Big 12 mortgaged its future while The ACC solidified theirs.
CJ

I only have one bone to pick with the ACC's 2010 contract - but it's a big one. Yes, ACC football was down, making it tough to get a good payout... so why in the world did they make it so LONG? Why not sign a 4-year deal, then go back to market after FSU won the national championship?

(04-18-2018 05:18 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 03:41 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Trying something new this year in collecting the data from Sports Media Watch. I am going to give the conference data from a few different perspectives:

2017 Conference Games
(excluding games aired on ESPNU and FS2 since three other conferences have those type of games on their networks which are not metered)

SEC - 37 games; 137.738 million viewers; 3.723 million per game
B10 - 40 games; 131.083 million viewers; 3.277 million per game
ACC - 27 games; 63.343 million viewers; 2.346 million per game
B12 - 34 games; 57.594 million viewers; 1.694 million per game
PAC - 34 games; 51.535 million viewers; 1.516 million per game

2017 Conference TV Contract Games
(excludes conference Mirror Games - 4 games total which involve the B12 in all 4, the ACC which participated in 3, and the PAC which was in 1; includes conference games aired on ESPNU and FS2; and also includes OOC games at the conference's home arena or if played at a neutral site included in both conferences totals if network airing the game made it difficult to determine which conference should receive credit for it)

SEC - 57 games; 184.741 million viewers; 3.241 million per game
B10 - 54 games; 162.254 million viewers; 3.004 million per game
ACC - 46 games; 109.084 million viewers; 2.371 million per game
PAC - 45 games; 72.092 million viewers; 1.602 million per game
B12 - 46 games; 70.320 million viewers; 1.529 million per game

ALL games shown CBS, ABC, FOX, NBC, ESPN, ESPN2, FS1, ESPNU, FS2
(Includes Mirror Games assigning each conference half of the total viewers)

SEC - 62 games; 199.484 million viewers; 3.217 million per game
B10 - 63 games; 180.705 million viewers; 2.868 million per game
ACC - 58 games; 135.085 million viewers; 2.329 million per game
B12 - 57 games; 96.587 million viewers; 1.695 million per game
PAC - 51 games; 82.394 million viewers; 1.616 million per game

The second set of data was what I have reported back last year for all 5 conference and the year before last for just the ACC and B12. The first and third data sets were added based upon comments received from last year's posts.

As always, I am sure there are a couple of minor errors (there always are), but per usual, I doubt any error I made will have much of an overall impact.

Am working on getting the last four years worth of data similar to the above as well as after that make an attempt at looking at institution by institution (although I will probably limit that part to the Kings and Barons).

Cheers,
Neil

If these numbers are correct, there is absolutely no way that the B12 or Pac12 should be making more TV money than the ACC. The ACC audiances dominate those leagues in every category, by a lot. Its a travesty that they are making more tv money.

For YEARS the numbers have shown this same result. ACC has been 3rd for a long time.

I have knocked Swofford forever on how he gets last place $$$ with 3rd place TV ratings.

Yet this board, the ACC media, and Tobacco Road call him a 'ninja.'

I'll never get it.....unless he is a ninja for being giving great reviews on failing results.

(04-19-2018 08:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I only have one bone to pick with the ACC's 2010 contract - but it's a big one. Yes, ACC football was down, making it tough to get a good payout... so why in the world did they make it so LONG? Why not sign a 4-year deal, then go back to market after FSU won the national championship?

Basic business sense is you never lock in long term if you are weak.

But even then. I am pretty certain the ACC was 3rd back then when the ACC was 'down.' Doesn't matter on results....if we get TV ratings, we should get paid and should of got paid.

Swofford failed and got called a 'ninja' and handed bonuses for failing. This board claimed he was awesome.

(04-19-2018 09:21 AM)nole Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 08:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I only have one bone to pick with the ACC's 2010 contract - but it's a big one. Yes, ACC football was down, making it tough to get a good payout... so why in the world did they make it so LONG? Why not sign a 4-year deal, then go back to market after FSU won the national championship?

Basic business sense is you never lock in long term if you are weak.

But even then. I am pretty certain the ACC was 3rd back then when the ACC was 'down.' Doesn't matter on results....if we get TV ratings, we should get paid and should of got paid.

Swofford failed and got called a 'ninja' and handed bonuses for failing. This board claimed he was awesome.

If you look back to 2009 I think you'll find the ACC wasn't 3rd, or even 4th or 5th... by many measurements it was 6th!

We need to go to 16 in football with or without Notre Dame with take your pick:

Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Central Florida

(04-19-2018 09:42 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  We need to go to 16 in football with or without Notre Dame with take your pick:

Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Central Florida

Why does the ACC need to go to 16? Would any of the schools you list bring in more money than they'd be paid? Probably not. That's why none of them apart from WV is in a power conference now. WV only has a population of 1.7 million and that's declining. They certainly don't have many fans outside the state. Honestly, Kansas would make more sense than any school you've listed and they make no sense because of their distance from the east coast and their terrible football program.

(04-19-2018 09:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:21 AM)nole Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 08:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I only have one bone to pick with the ACC's 2010 contract - but it's a big one. Yes, ACC football was down, making it tough to get a good payout... so why in the world did they make it so LONG? Why not sign a 4-year deal, then go back to market after FSU won the national championship?

Basic business sense is you never lock in long term if you are weak.

But even then. I am pretty certain the ACC was 3rd back then when the ACC was 'down.' Doesn't matter on results....if we get TV ratings, we should get paid and should of got paid.

Swofford failed and got called a 'ninja' and handed bonuses for failing. This board claimed he was awesome.

If you look back to 2009 I think you'll find the ACC wasn't 3rd, or even 4th or 5th... by many measurements it was 6th!

Link?

Here is one for 2011 showing ACC 3rd.

Two years before FSU won the National Championship and helped the ACC be back (ie basically still when the ACC was 'down').

https://www.statista.com/statistics/2442...-football/


Here is one for 2014 showing ACC 3rd/4th.


The TexAgs data suggests the following average ratings (I believe I have replicated this correctly).
SEC = 4.52 Mil 2. B10 =2.69 Mil, 3. ACC=2.64 Mil, 4. P 12 = 2.23 Mil, 5. B12 = 2.01 Mil
The adjusted data suggests the following ratings:
1. SEC = 2.58 Mil, 2. B10 = 1.62 Mil, 3. B12 = 1.57 Mil, 4. ACC = 1.41 Mil, 5. P12 = 1.34 Mil

http://thesportseconomist.com/2015/02/09...n-ratings/

Here is one for showing the ACC 3rd.

Here are the average football viewership totals by conference according to Nielsen:1. SEC – 4,447,000
2. Big Ten – 3,267,000
3. ACC – 2,650,000
4. Big 12 – 2,347,000
5. Pac-12 – 2,108,000
6. Big East – 1,884,000
Here are the average basketball viewership totals by conference according to Nielsen:1. Big Ten – 1,496,000
2. ACC – 1,247,000
3. SEC – 1,222,000
4. Big 12 – 1,069,000
5. Big East – 1,049,000
6. Pac-12 – 783,000

B. The ACC has an undervalued TV contract – The flip side of the Big Ten and SEC analysis above is that while the ACC’s basketball viewership strength isn’t unexpected, the much maligned football side actually has strong TV numbers. If you take a step back for a moment, it makes sense. Florida State and Miami continue to be great national TV draws (even when they’re down) and schools such as Virginia Tech bring in large state markets.

https://frankthetank.me/2012/02/27/sport...edia-buzz/


Here is another one for 2013 showing the ACC 3rd

https://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/...-final-sec


Here is another for 2015 showing the ACC 3rd

http://allthingsfsu.blogspot.com/2016/06...pdate.html



All the evidence I can find consistently shows the ACC 3rd on average. This is even before the ACC left the 'down' years.

FSU and Miami were ratings monsters all throughout the 80s and 90s. Even when FSU was 'down' at the end of Bowden's career, it had huge TV ratings.

Nothing suggests the claim that the ACC was 6th in TV ratings.


Even more appropriate, NOTHING suggests it is intelligent to lock in a contract for 3 decades when you are at your lowest point.


Swofford failed. Period. The biggest issue for the ACC is it's refusal to admit that reality.

(04-19-2018 12:18 PM)nole Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:21 AM)nole Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 08:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I only have one bone to pick with the ACC's 2010 contract - but it's a big one. Yes, ACC football was down, making it tough to get a good payout... so why in the world did they make it so LONG? Why not sign a 4-year deal, then go back to market after FSU won the national championship?

Basic business sense is you never lock in long term if you are weak.

But even then. I am pretty certain the ACC was 3rd back then when the ACC was 'down.' Doesn't matter on results....if we get TV ratings, we should get paid and should of got paid.

Swofford failed and got called a 'ninja' and handed bonuses for failing. This board claimed he was awesome.

If you look back to 2009 I think you'll find the ACC wasn't 3rd, or even 4th or 5th... by many measurements it was 6th!

Link?

Here is one for 2011 showing ACC 3rd.

Two years before FSU won the National Championship and helped the ACC be back (ie basically still when the ACC was 'down').

https://www.statista.com/statistics/2442...-football/


Here is one for 2014 showing ACC 3rd/4th.


The TexAgs data suggests the following average ratings (I believe I have replicated this correctly).
SEC = 4.52 Mil 2. B10 =2.69 Mil, 3. ACC=2.64 Mil, 4. P 12 = 2.23 Mil, 5. B12 = 2.01 Mil
The adjusted data suggests the following ratings:
1. SEC = 2.58 Mil, 2. B10 = 1.62 Mil, 3. B12 = 1.57 Mil, 4. ACC = 1.41 Mil, 5. P12 = 1.34 Mil

http://thesportseconomist.com/2015/02/09...n-ratings/

Here is one for showing the ACC 3rd.

Here are the average football viewership totals by conference according to Nielsen:1. SEC – 4,447,000
2. Big Ten – 3,267,000
3. ACC – 2,650,000
4. Big 12 – 2,347,000
5. Pac-12 – 2,108,000
6. Big East – 1,884,000
Here are the average basketball viewership totals by conference according to Nielsen:1. Big Ten – 1,496,000
2. ACC – 1,247,000
3. SEC – 1,222,000
4. Big 12 – 1,069,000
5. Big East – 1,049,000
6. Pac-12 – 783,000

B. The ACC has an undervalued TV contract – The flip side of the Big Ten and SEC analysis above is that while the ACC’s basketball viewership strength isn’t unexpected, the much maligned football side actually has strong TV numbers. If you take a step back for a moment, it makes sense. Florida State and Miami continue to be great national TV draws (even when they’re down) and schools such as Virginia Tech bring in large state markets.

https://frankthetank.me/2012/02/27/sport...edia-buzz/


Here is another one for 2013 showing the ACC 3rd

https://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/...-final-sec


Here is another for 2015 showing the ACC 3rd

http://allthingsfsu.blogspot.com/2016/06...pdate.html



All the evidence I can find consistently shows the ACC 3rd on average. This is even before the ACC left the 'down' years.

FSU and Miami were ratings monsters all throughout the 80s and 90s. Even when FSU was 'down' at the end of Bowden's career, it had huge TV ratings.

Nothing suggests the claim that the ACC was 6th in TV ratings.


Even more appropriate, NOTHING suggests it is intelligent to lock in a contract for 3 decades when you are at your lowest point.


Swofford failed. Period. The biggest issue for the ACC is it's refusal to admit that reality.

I agree

(04-19-2018 09:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:21 AM)nole Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 08:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I only have one bone to pick with the ACC's 2010 contract - but it's a big one. Yes, ACC football was down, making it tough to get a good payout... so why in the world did they make it so LONG? Why not sign a 4-year deal, then go back to market after FSU won the national championship?

Basic business sense is you never lock in long term if you are weak.

But even then. I am pretty certain the ACC was 3rd back then when the ACC was 'down.' Doesn't matter on results....if we get TV ratings, we should get paid and should of got paid.

Swofford failed and got called a 'ninja' and handed bonuses for failing. This board claimed he was awesome.

If you look back to 2009 I think you'll find the ACC wasn't 3rd, or even 4th or 5th... by many measurements it was 6th!

True and even in 2012 (the last year for football tv ratings on Sports Media Watch) here is the conference games data for games on ABC, FOX, ESPN, and ESPN2:

B12 - 23 games; 64.82 million viewers; 2.818 million per game
ACC - 16 games; 34.07 million viewers; 2.129 million per game

If we had the data from 2004-2011 my gut is saying it wouldn't be much different from the above. Let's face it, Oklahoma and Texas were operating at a much higher level than FSU, Clemson, and Miami during that time frame.

Cheers,
Neil

I'm no Swofford fan. His duplicity on sanctions only makes it worse.

(04-19-2018 12:18 PM)nole Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If you look back to 2009 I think you'll find the ACC wasn't 3rd, or even 4th or 5th... by many measurements it was 6th!

Link?

Honestly I just thought this was common knowledge, but it wasn't hard to dig it up.

First, keep in mind that while your stats were good, anything after 2008 would have no bearing whatsoever on a contract signed in 2010. Now, let me refresh your memory about that 2009 season...

FSU lost to Florida, 10-37 (this was the 6th consecutive loss to the Gators)
Clemson lost to SC, 17-34 (this was the 2nd loss in 4 years; the Tigers would go on to lost the next 4 to the Gamecocks)
Georgia Tech lost to GA, 24-30 (8th in 9 years)

Clemson and GT won their divisions, meaning BOTH ACC championship game participants lost to their SEC East rivals the week before - very bad look.

During that season, the ACC was 8-12 vs. all P5 opponents

In bowls the ACC was 3-4, with wins by Clemson (over Kentucky), FSU (over WVU) and VT (over Lane Kiffin's last Tennessee team). ACC champion GT lost to Iowa in their BCS bowl. In fact, after FSU beat VT in the 2000 BCS championship, the ACC went 1-9 in the next 10 BCS bowls (the one win being VT over Cincinnati)

This was a DREADFULLY BAD period in ACC football history. Even the good teams were bad (and the bad teams were worse!)

(04-19-2018 12:18 PM)nole Wrote:  NOTHING suggests it is intelligent to lock in a contract for 3 decades when you are at your lowest point.

THIS.

(04-19-2018 09:20 AM)nole Wrote:  For YEARS the numbers have shown this same result. ACC has been 3rd for a long time.

I have knocked Swofford forever on how he gets last place $$$ with 3rd place TV ratings.

Yet this board, the ACC media, and Tobacco Road call him a 'ninja.'

I'll never get it.....unless he is a ninja for being giving great reviews on failing results.

To be fair, no one has ever specified what kind of ninja he truly is. Personally I always pictured him in this variety: