I'm confused about this whole APR thing. I know kinda how it works, but was curious as to how we look now that all the transfers are gone and new recruits signed. Are we in APR danger or should we be safe? What about next year?

(04-16-2018 02:47 PM)bmcgee81 Wrote:  I'm confused about this whole APR thing. I know kinda how it works, but was curious as to how we look now that all the transfers are gone and new recruits signed. Are we in APR danger or should we be safe? What about next year?

From my understanding we are right on the edge.

(04-16-2018 02:47 PM)bmcgee81 Wrote:  I'm confused about this whole APR thing. I know kinda how it works, but was curious as to how we look now that all the transfers are gone and new recruits signed. Are we in APR danger or should we be safe? What about next year?

Each player for each year has 2 possibly points. You get 1 point for being academically eligible and one point for remaining in school. If a player transfers you will lose one of the two points unless they have a GPA of 2.6 or greater.

Scores are added up and APR is calculated on a 4 year average. You have to have a 930 or above 4 year average to prevent any kind of penalties. Penalties include loss of practice time, scholarship reductions and post-season bans.

(04-16-2018 03:07 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 02:47 PM)bmcgee81 Wrote:  I'm confused about this whole APR thing. I know kinda how it works, but was curious as to how we look now that all the transfers are gone and new recruits signed. Are we in APR danger or should we be safe? What about next year?

Each player for each year has 2 possibly points. You get 1 point for being academically eligible and one point for remaining in school. If a player transfers you will lose one of the two points unless they have a GPA of 2.6 or greater.

Scores are added up and APR is calculated on a 4 year average. You have to have a 930 or above 4 year average to prevent any kind of penalties. Penalties include loss of practice time, scholarship reductions and post-season bans.

930?

13 players x 2 =26 points a year. 4 years x 26= 104 pts.

(04-16-2018 03:35 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 03:07 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 02:47 PM)bmcgee81 Wrote:  I'm confused about this whole APR thing. I know kinda how it works, but was curious as to how we look now that all the transfers are gone and new recruits signed. Are we in APR danger or should we be safe? What about next year?

Each player for each year has 2 possibly points. You get 1 point for being academically eligible and one point for remaining in school. If a player transfers you will lose one of the two points unless they have a GPA of 2.6 or greater.

Scores are added up and APR is calculated on a 4 year average. You have to have a 930 or above 4 year average to prevent any kind of penalties. Penalties include loss of practice time, scholarship reductions and post-season bans.

930?

930 4-year average or 940 2-year average.

Here's a diagram from football that illustrates the calculation.

(04-16-2018 03:41 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 03:35 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 03:07 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 02:47 PM)bmcgee81 Wrote:  I'm confused about this whole APR thing. I know kinda how it works, but was curious as to how we look now that all the transfers are gone and new recruits signed. Are we in APR danger or should we be safe? What about next year?

Each player for each year has 2 possibly points. You get 1 point for being academically eligible and one point for remaining in school. If a player transfers you will lose one of the two points unless they have a GPA of 2.6 or greater.

Scores are added up and APR is calculated on a 4 year average. You have to have a 930 or above 4 year average to prevent any kind of penalties. Penalties include loss of practice time, scholarship reductions and post-season bans.

930?

930 4-year average or 940 2-year average.

Here's a diagram from football that illustrates the calculation.

Oh ok, yeah for football.

(04-16-2018 03:07 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 02:47 PM)bmcgee81 Wrote:  I'm confused about this whole APR thing. I know kinda how it works, but was curious as to how we look now that all the transfers are gone and new recruits signed. Are we in APR danger or should we be safe? What about next year?

Each player for each year has 2 possibly points. You get 1 point for being academically eligible and one point for remaining in school. If a player transfers you will lose one of the two points unless they have a GPA of 2.6 or greater.

Scores are added up and APR is calculated on a 4 year average. You have to have a 930 or above 4 year average to prevent any kind of penalties. Penalties include loss of practice time, scholarship reductions and post-season bans.

If it's greater we get to keep both points???

(04-16-2018 03:43 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 03:41 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 03:35 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 03:07 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 02:47 PM)bmcgee81 Wrote:  I'm confused about this whole APR thing. I know kinda how it works, but was curious as to how we look now that all the transfers are gone and new recruits signed. Are we in APR danger or should we be safe? What about next year?

Each player for each year has 2 possibly points. You get 1 point for being academically eligible and one point for remaining in school. If a player transfers you will lose one of the two points unless they have a GPA of 2.6 or greater.

Scores are added up and APR is calculated on a 4 year average. You have to have a 930 or above 4 year average to prevent any kind of penalties. Penalties include loss of practice time, scholarship reductions and post-season bans.

930?

930 4-year average or 940 2-year average.

Here's a diagram from football that illustrates the calculation.

Oh ok, yeah for football.

It is a percentage so it works the exact same for basketball.

The "930" represents 93%. Not sure why they did it that way - it's goofy. But it's the NCAA.

I don't think the part is accurate about 2.6 GPA for a transfer allows you to keep both points. It's 1 point for academically eligible (that's where GPA comes in), and another point for retention. So if they transfer, you lose the 1 retention point no matter what. If they were academically eligible when they transferred, you get the 1 eligibility point.

(04-17-2018 01:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The "930" represents 93%. Not sure why they did it that way - it's goofy. But it's the NCAA.

I don't think the part is accurate about 2.6 GPA for a transfer allows you to keep both points. It's 1 point for academically eligible (that's where GPA comes in), and another point for retention. So if they transfer, you lose the 1 retention point no matter what. If they were academically eligible when they transferred, you get the 1 eligibility point.

From the NCAA site:

Quote:Q: Why does the APR make a school lose points for a transfer if the student-athlete’s GPA is below a 2.6?

A: Data show that transferring has a negative impact on a student-athlete’s academic success and eventual graduation. But, according to NCAA research, student-athletes who transfer with at least a 2.6 grade-point average have the same likelihood of academic success as a student-athlete who remains at his or her original institution.

You get 2 points, one point for remaining eligible and one point for remaining in school. Last year we had 6 guys transfer out. So if it's not true then out of 26 possible points the most we could possibly get would be 20/26 points for a 769 APR. I think the year we had 7 players transfer out under Pastner we had an 844 APR.

(04-17-2018 01:40 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 01:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The "930" represents 93%. Not sure why they did it that way - it's goofy. But it's the NCAA.

I don't think the part is accurate about 2.6 GPA for a transfer allows you to keep both points. It's 1 point for academically eligible (that's where GPA comes in), and another point for retention. So if they transfer, you lose the 1 retention point no matter what. If they were academically eligible when they transferred, you get the 1 eligibility point.

From the NCAA site:

Quote:Q: Why does the APR make a school lose points for a transfer if the student-athlete’s GPA is below a 2.6?

A: Data show that transferring has a negative impact on a student-athlete’s academic success and eventual graduation. But, according to NCAA research, student-athletes who transfer with at least a 2.6 grade-point average have the same likelihood of academic success as a student-athlete who remains at his or her original institution.

You get 2 points, one point for remaining eligible and one point for remaining in school. Last year we had 6 guys transfer out. So if it's not true then out of 26 possible points the most we could possibly get would be 20/26 points for a 769 APR. I think the year we had 7 players transfer out under Pastner we had an 844 APR.

That link is interesting. In typical NCAA fashion, there is no clear answer or resource. You are quoting from 2012. I found a 2014 source that did not have that language included. So I'm confused again. I hope you're right. If that's the case, then we're in much better shape - if the transferers GPA's are up.

(04-17-2018 02:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 01:40 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 01:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The "930" represents 93%. Not sure why they did it that way - it's goofy. But it's the NCAA.

I don't think the part is accurate about 2.6 GPA for a transfer allows you to keep both points. It's 1 point for academically eligible (that's where GPA comes in), and another point for retention. So if they transfer, you lose the 1 retention point no matter what. If they were academically eligible when they transferred, you get the 1 eligibility point.

From the NCAA site:

Quote:Q: Why does the APR make a school lose points for a transfer if the student-athlete’s GPA is below a 2.6?

A: Data show that transferring has a negative impact on a student-athlete’s academic success and eventual graduation. But, according to NCAA research, student-athletes who transfer with at least a 2.6 grade-point average have the same likelihood of academic success as a student-athlete who remains at his or her original institution.

You get 2 points, one point for remaining eligible and one point for remaining in school. Last year we had 6 guys transfer out. So if it's not true then out of 26 possible points the most we could possibly get would be 20/26 points for a 769 APR. I think the year we had 7 players transfer out under Pastner we had an 844 APR.

That link is interesting. In typical NCAA fashion, there is no clear answer or resource. You are quoting from 2012. I found a 2014 source that did not have that language included. So I'm confused again. I hope you're right. If that's the case, then we're in much better shape - if the transferers GPA's are up.

APR is still a little fuzzy about things. Like everything else it's not as straightforward. There are so many transfer nowadays that not many schools would make the cut if every transfer only got one point. They have also discussed making the 2.6 GPA the requirement for a player to transfer and play immediately but that one hasn't passed yet. 2.6 seems to be what the NCAA uses to predict graduation rate.

(04-17-2018 02:54 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 02:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 01:40 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 01:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The "930" represents 93%. Not sure why they did it that way - it's goofy. But it's the NCAA.

I don't think the part is accurate about 2.6 GPA for a transfer allows you to keep both points. It's 1 point for academically eligible (that's where GPA comes in), and another point for retention. So if they transfer, you lose the 1 retention point no matter what. If they were academically eligible when they transferred, you get the 1 eligibility point.

From the NCAA site:

Quote:Q: Why does the APR make a school lose points for a transfer if the student-athlete’s GPA is below a 2.6?

A: Data show that transferring has a negative impact on a student-athlete’s academic success and eventual graduation. But, according to NCAA research, student-athletes who transfer with at least a 2.6 grade-point average have the same likelihood of academic success as a student-athlete who remains at his or her original institution.

You get 2 points, one point for remaining eligible and one point for remaining in school. Last year we had 6 guys transfer out. So if it's not true then out of 26 possible points the most we could possibly get would be 20/26 points for a 769 APR. I think the year we had 7 players transfer out under Pastner we had an 844 APR.

That link is interesting. In typical NCAA fashion, there is no clear answer or resource. You are quoting from 2012. I found a 2014 source that did not have that language included. So I'm confused again. I hope you're right. If that's the case, then we're in much better shape - if the transferers GPA's are up.

APR is still a little fuzzy about things. Like everything else it's not as straightforward. There are so many transfer nowadays that not many schools would make the cut if every transfer only got one point. They have also discussed making the 2.6 GPA the requirement for a player to transfer and play immediately but that one hasn't passed yet. 2.6 seems to be what the NCAA uses to predict graduation rate.

The chart on this NCAA site does not distinguish transfers by a 2.6 GPA, but rather as academically eligible or ineligible. A player who transfer and is academically ineligible receives is give 0 points for their former school, while a player who transfers and is academically eligible is only worth 1 point for the former school. But who really knows because it seems impossible for us to be at 930 with the rash of transfers we have had the past several years...

http://www.ncaa.org/aboutresources/resea...-explained

I believe transfer students essentially have the retention point waved if they meet the criteria and are eligible when they leave. So they end up earning 1 out of 1 possible points rather than 1 out of 2. Used to only be adjusted for transferring to a 4 year school with a2.6 GPA but now is extended to transfers to JUCOs as well as long as the GPA is 3.3 or higher.

(04-17-2018 07:56 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  I believe transfer students essentially have the retention point waved if they meet the criteria and are eligible when they leave. So they end up earning 1 out of 1 possible points rather than 1 out of 2. Used to only be adjusted for transferring to a 4 year school with a2.6 GPA but now is extended to transfers to JUCOs as well as long as the GPA is 3.3 or higher.

That's the 3rd different explanation. But what you're saying makes sense and aligns with the way it is portrayed in the media. Sold!